See ya Cashner

[Rugger05]

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/17170357/andrew-cashner-traded-miami-marlins-san-diego-padreshttp://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/17170357/andrew-cashner-traded-miami-marlins-san-diego-padres

The Miami Marlins have an agreement in place to trade for San Diego Padres right-hander Andrew Cashner, sources told ESPN's Buster Olney on Friday.



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According to multiple reports, the Marlins will also acquire right-hander Colin Rea and reliever Tayron Guerrero.

San Diego will receive right-hander Jarred Cosart in the trade, a source told ESPN's Jayson Stark. Reliever Carter Capps, Josh Naylor, the Marlins' first-round draft pick in 2015, and pitching prospect Luis Castillo are also going to the Padres, according to multiple reports.

The trade comes as the Marlins seek rotation depth amid their push for the postseason. Miami (55-47) entered Friday tied for the second wild-card spot in the National League.

The full terms of the trade, which is contingent on the players involved passing physical exams, was first reported by Fox Sports and confirmed by ESPN's Jim Bowden.

The deal marks the second high-profile trade this week involving the rebuilding Padres, who sent outfielder Melvin Upton Jr. to the Toronto Blue Jays on Tuesday.

The Padres (44-58), who enter Friday with the NL's fourth-worst record, also have traded away starters James Shields and Drew Pomeranz and closer Fernando Rodney this season.


Andrew Cashner is heading to the Marlins along with Padres teammate Colin Rea, according to multiple reports. AP Photo/Chris Carlson
Cashner, who has been the longest-tenured Padres player since joining the team in 2012, said Wednesday that it was "sad" to see constant turnover among his teammates.

"You'd definitely like to see more guys stay here longer in their careers," he said. "That's just kind of how it's been since I've been here. I've made some great relationships with a lot of guys, and there'll be lasting friendships for a lifetime."

Cashner, 29, is 4-7 with a 4.76 ERA in 79 1/3 innings pitched this season. But the seven-year veteran has pitched well of late, posting a 2.55 ERA with 23 strikeouts in 17 2/3 innings over his last three starts.

Rea, 26, is 5-5 with a 4.98 ERA in 19 games -- 18 starts -- this season. Guerrero has spent most of the season in the minors but made his MLB debut with a two-inning appearance in May.

Cashner has a $7.15 million contract and becomes a free agent after this season. Rea has a salary of $510,200 and is under team control through 2018.

The Marlins are tied with the St. Louis Cardinals (55-47) for the NL's second wild card and trail the first-place Washington Nationals (60-42) by five games in the NL East.

Miami is in need of starting pitching depth with ace Jose Fernandez facing a potential innings limit and left-hander Wei-Yin Chen sidelined with a sprained pitching elbow.

Cosart was 0-1 with a 5.95 ERA in four major league starts in 2016. Naylor, 19, was hitting .269 with nine home runs and 54 RBIs at Greensboro, the Marlins' Class A club in the South Atlantic League, while Castillo was 7-3 with a 2.25 ERA at Class A Jupiter. Capps is out for the season after undergoing Tommy John surgery in March.

The trade is the second between the teams this summer. In June, the Marlins acquired Rodney for a minor league pitcher.

[Lightningwill_420]

Based on that article, I would say the trade makes us worse. Do we free up money to get a better player?

[ArtistFormerlyKnownAsBKR]

Makes us worse over the short run, but includes two major leaguers which is a bit of a change. Frees up about $8M. I think Cosart's got something. He pitched really well for Houston. Might be a bullpen piece if not a starter for us. Capps coming off TJ (yuck) but had a great season for Marlins last year. 58K's in 31 IP with a 1.16 ERA and 0.81. We got their best pitching prospect in and their #1 pick last year in Naylor (#100 on Baseball America's Top 100 Prospects list in high A ball which now gives us 5 of the Top 100). All upside plays with a couple major leaguers. Better than I thought they'd do

Cashner hasn't been good in a long while. Not sure why he fell off so suddenly (unless he's just tired of losing and needs a change of scenery). But I've been for moving him since last year, so I don't feel like he's such a loss. Rea never seemed like anything special to me.

Keith Law:

Andrew Cashner's career has mostly been one of "good when healthy" but not often healthy, until the last year or so when he's started to see some gradual decline in his stuff and a commensurate rise in his home runs allowed. Cashner's down a couple of ticks on his fastball velocity and his changeup has never been as effective in the rotation as it was in short stints. He's been around replacement level this year for the Padres due to a higher walk rate and the home runs.

Colin Rea just turned 26 but still has not shown even average control with the Padres, although he has good enough stuff to be a league-average starter if he throws more strikes -- nearly 40% of his pitches this year have been balls, and unless you're striking out an obscene percentage of the hitters you face (which he's not), that's not going to keep you in a rotation.

With Wei-Yin Chen out, Cashner and Rea become the Marlins' fourth and fifth starters, respectively, with Cashner presenting a small upgrade over Justin Nicolino but not a huge one unless he stops giving up home runs. Rea's probably a better fifth-starter option than the Marlins' internal candidates. This seems more like a move that keeps the Marlins afloat in the wild-card race than one that pushes them ahead of any of their competitors.

The Padres get a package headlined by the Marlins' first pick from 2015, Canadian first baseman Josh Naylor, who just turned 19 a month ago and made more headlines this year for injuring a teammate with a knife, a stunt the team termed a "prank." Naylor has plus power and projects to hit for average, and he's done fine against right-handed pitching this season with a .292/.331/.465 line even though he's the second-youngest regular in the Class A Sally League. He dropped about 20 pounds this year and improved his defense at first base to the point where he looks like he'll stay there now; when he was an amateur I thought he was destined for DH because he was so heavy, with only a plus arm pointing to any future defensive value. He's probably three years away from big league value and will eventually have to prove he can hit left-handers.

Luis Castillo had emerged this year as the Marlins' best pitching prospect, offering a grade-80 fastball and walking almost nobody (15 in 100 innings this year for a 3.9% walk rate). His breaking ball remains a work in progress, but his changeup is solid-average or better, and he hasn't shown any real platoon split in high-A. There's definitely reliever risk without the average third pitch and with his strikeout rate a little low, but he looks like a future starter right now and should probably go right to double-A for San Diego.

The Padres also get two major league assets in Jarred Cosart and Carter Capps. I've long thought Cosart was destined for the bullpen with his cross-body delivery and trouble throwing strikes, although he has a starter's arsenal and San Diego could try to leave him there and see if he has better results in a good pitcher's park. Capps has a very violent delivery and is out for all of 2016 due to Tommy John surgery but struck out almost half of the batters he faced in 2015. He's strictly a one-inning reliever, but a good one if his stuff comes back post-surgery. Given how Cashner's pitched in the last 18 months, this is a very solid return for him with some upside in the two prospects acquired, both of whom could turn out to be above-average big leaguers.

[ArtistFormerlyKnownAsBKR]

And this isn't anything to sneeze at particularly because with $30M in penalties they've spent nearly $60M on these guys. Most are 16-17-18 but Preller's forte is supposedly international, so development is going to be key. Nonetheless, they have two that are pretty polished now. If one of them pans out as a superstar and another pans out at replacement level, we've done pretty well.

http://m.mlb.com/prospects/2016?list=int

That's 7 of the top 30 so far and potentially more to come before June '17. Then we're limited to $350K each of the next two years on international. But this may have been the program all along after last year's all-in strategy. If a couple guys pan out on the prospects we got in this year's trades and one or two from the draft, then now you have a core with Myers.

I'm talking best case and somewhat optimistically bc I think Preller has rebuilt the system pretty well in a short time. Even with all the prospects we traded last year we weren't rated that highly...but guys were closer than this group, so that's a trade off. So at worst we're just a little behind in the system bc of where these guys are today and we have Myers to build around. Not bad IMO. Could've used both Rosses this yr and Turner, but oh well. On the other hand, you guys know where I stand on magic beans. We had magic beans last yr too.

PS- ownership has also burned through a lot of cash this year in moving Shields and Upton, etc. So with what they paid in salary last yr, what they spent on international ($60M is higher than total major league payroll for several of those years since '98) and what they paid to unload bad contracts, that's two years of pretty big spending from this ownership, albeit in different ways. At this point, it's hard to argue they are tightwads not committed to winning.

[Lightningwill_420]

Yea, so far I like our owners better than any since 84. At least they are fucking trying.

[ArtistFormerlyKnownAsBKR]

Liking this trade. IMO sizes up to two guys I didn't care about for some really nice pieces with genuine upside and two guys that can help us in the short run.

From BA:

PADRES ACQUIRE
Josh Naylor, 1b
Age: 19
The Marlins’ No. 1 prospect in our Midseason Update opened eyes at the Futures Game earlier this month with prodigious power and bat speed during batting practice, depositing numerous high drives well beyond the right-center field fence at Petco Park, the deepest part of the ballpark. It’s the same power that earns a 65 grade from some scouts and convinced the Marlins to make him the 12th overall pick in the 2015 draft. That power has shown up in games this year, with 24 doubles and nine homers in 89 games for low class A Greensboro in his first full season. A stocky 6-foot, 225 pounds, Naylor won’t win any beauty pageants but has shown himself to be underrated as an athlete. He is a capable defender at first base with an above-average arm and an improving glove, with room to grow into an average defender at first. That athleticism is evident in his 10 stolen bases in 13 attempts this season despite his build. He also showed it with an impressive diving stop to his right to prevent a double down the line in the Futures Game. His ceiling is a middle-of-the-order perennial 30-home run threat, although he still has a ways to go before reaching that ceiling. Some red flags were raised about Naylor earlier this year they when he reportedly stabbed teammate Stone Garrett in the thumb with a knife in what was described as “a prank that went a little too far.”

Club (League) Class AVG G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB OBP SLG
Greensboro (SAL) LoA .269 89 342 42 92 24 2 9 54 22 62 10 .317 .430
Luis Castillo, rhp
Age: 23
Castillo originally signed with the Giants as a 19-year old out of the Dominican Republic in 2011 and was traded to the Marlins as part of the Casey McGehee deal after the 2014 season. Exclusively a reliever with the Giants, the Marlins slowly transitioned Castillo into a starter and saw promising results. The 6-foot-2, 170-pound righthander possesses an electric fastball that’s registered as high as 101 mph and consistently been 96-97 this year at high class A Jupiter, and has backed it up quality slider and progressing changeup that has been particularly effective against lefthanded hitters, all while cutting his walk rate in half. He has also held up well, pitching effectively at the 100-plus innings mark in back-to-back seasons. While old for his level, Castillo has raised his potential ceiling this year to a quality major-league starter, with a high-leverage bullpen role also a possibility if he runs into trouble at higher levels.

Club (League) Class W L ERA G GS IP H R ER HR BB SO
Jupiter (FSL) HiA 7 3 2.25 20 18 100 82 27 25 2 15 84
Carter Capps, rhp
Age: 25
Capps had Tommy John surgery in March and is expected to be out through at least the early part of the 2017 season, but he was dominant for Miami when healthy. A third-round pick of the Mariners in 2011, Capps went to the Marlins in exchange for Logan Morrison and became one the majors’ top relievers, posting a 2.28 ERA, 0.955 WHIP and a 16.2 strikeouts-per-nine innings rate in 47 appearances over two seasons with Miami. His walk rate improved every season, dropping to 2.0-per-nine in 2015. He formerly had a four-pitch mix but is now largely a two-pitch pitcher with a fastball that averages 99 mph and a mid-80s knuckle curve. Once he returns to health, Capps represents either the Padres closer of the future or an eighth-inning setup man for Brandon Maurer.

Club (League) Class W L ERA G GS IP H R ER HR BB SO
DNP—Injured
Jarred Cosart, rhp
Age: 26
The two-time BA Top 100 prospect went 13-11, 3.69 as a 24-year old in his first full season in 2014 but has regressed badly due to injuries and lack of control the last two seasons. He was limited to 14 appearances in 2015 after being diagnosed with an inner ear disorder that was causing him to suffer from vertigo and recently missed most of this past June with a strained oblique. When healthy, he hasn’t been very effective, posting a 4.84 ERA with 5.8 strikeouts-per-nine and 4.0-walks per nine in 18 appearances the last two seasons. He was demoted to the minors at the end of April after walking 15 batters over 14 2/3 innings in his first three starts and only recently made it back to the majors, where he pitched five scoreless innings for the Marlins against the Phillies on July 25. Cosart plugs into San Diego’s rotation immediately, although for how long and in what role will be determined by his health and ability to regain his control consistently.

Club (League) Class W L ERA G GS IP H R ER HR BB SO
Miami (NL) ML 0 1 5.95 4 4 19.2 19 14 13 0 16 11
New Orleans (PCL) AAA 3 4 4.09 10 10 50.2 55 30 23 8 25 30
Read more at http://www.baseballamerica.com/major...HdRFB32FdX0.99

[Lightningwill_420]

Liking this trade. IMO sizes up to two guys I didn't care about for some really nice pieces with genuine upside and two guys that can help us in the short run.

From BA:

PADRES ACQUIRE
Josh Naylor, 1b
Age: 19
The Marlins’ No. 1 prospect in our Midseason Update opened eyes at the Futures Game earlier this month with prodigious power and bat speed during batting practice, depositing numerous high drives well beyond the right-center field fence at Petco Park, the deepest part of the ballpark. It’s the same power that earns a 65 grade from some scouts and convinced the Marlins to make him the 12th overall pick in the 2015 draft. That power has shown up in games this year, with 24 doubles and nine homers in 89 games for low class A Greensboro in his first full season. A stocky 6-foot, 225 pounds, Naylor won’t win any beauty pageants but has shown himself to be underrated as an athlete. He is a capable defender at first base with an above-average arm and an improving glove, with room to grow into an average defender at first. That athleticism is evident in his 10 stolen bases in 13 attempts this season despite his build. He also showed it with an impressive diving stop to his right to prevent a double down the line in the Futures Game. His ceiling is a middle-of-the-order perennial 30-home run threat, although he still has a ways to go before reaching that ceiling. Some red flags were raised about Naylor earlier this year they when he reportedly stabbed teammate Stone Garrett in the thumb with a knife in what was described as “a prank that went a little too far.”

Club (League) Class AVG G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB OBP SLG
Greensboro (SAL) LoA .269 89 342 42 92 24 2 9 54 22 62 10 .317 .430
Luis Castillo, rhp
Age: 23
Castillo originally signed with the Giants as a 19-year old out of the Dominican Republic in 2011 and was traded to the Marlins as part of the Casey McGehee deal after the 2014 season. Exclusively a reliever with the Giants, the Marlins slowly transitioned Castillo into a starter and saw promising results. The 6-foot-2, 170-pound righthander possesses an electric fastball that’s registered as high as 101 mph and consistently been 96-97 this year at high class A Jupiter, and has backed it up quality slider and progressing changeup that has been particularly effective against lefthanded hitters, all while cutting his walk rate in half. He has also held up well, pitching effectively at the 100-plus innings mark in back-to-back seasons. While old for his level, Castillo has raised his potential ceiling this year to a quality major-league starter, with a high-leverage bullpen role also a possibility if he runs into trouble at higher levels.

Club (League) Class W L ERA G GS IP H R ER HR BB SO
Jupiter (FSL) HiA 7 3 2.25 20 18 100 82 27 25 2 15 84
Carter Capps, rhp
Age: 25
Capps had Tommy John surgery in March and is expected to be out through at least the early part of the 2017 season, but he was dominant for Miami when healthy. A third-round pick of the Mariners in 2011, Capps went to the Marlins in exchange for Logan Morrison and became one the majors’ top relievers, posting a 2.28 ERA, 0.955 WHIP and a 16.2 strikeouts-per-nine innings rate in 47 appearances over two seasons with Miami. His walk rate improved every season, dropping to 2.0-per-nine in 2015. He formerly had a four-pitch mix but is now largely a two-pitch pitcher with a fastball that averages 99 mph and a mid-80s knuckle curve. Once he returns to health, Capps represents either the Padres closer of the future or an eighth-inning setup man for Brandon Maurer.

Club (League) Class W L ERA G GS IP H R ER HR BB SO
DNP—Injured
Jarred Cosart, rhp
Age: 26
The two-time BA Top 100 prospect went 13-11, 3.69 as a 24-year old in his first full season in 2014 but has regressed badly due to injuries and lack of control the last two seasons. He was limited to 14 appearances in 2015 after being diagnosed with an inner ear disorder that was causing him to suffer from vertigo and recently missed most of this past June with a strained oblique. When healthy, he hasn’t been very effective, posting a 4.84 ERA with 5.8 strikeouts-per-nine and 4.0-walks per nine in 18 appearances the last two seasons. He was demoted to the minors at the end of April after walking 15 batters over 14 2/3 innings in his first three starts and only recently made it back to the majors, where he pitched five scoreless innings for the Marlins against the Phillies on July 25. Cosart plugs into San Diego’s rotation immediately, although for how long and in what role will be determined by his health and ability to regain his control consistently.

Club (League) Class W L ERA G GS IP H R ER HR BB SO
Miami (NL) ML 0 1 5.95 4 4 19.2 19 14 13 0 16 11
New Orleans (PCL) AAA 3 4 4.09 10 10 50.2 55 30 23 8 25 30
Read more at http://www.baseballamerica.com/major...HdRFB32FdX0.99

I hope you're right.

[ArtistFormerlyKnownAsBKR]

I don't really take a position on whether it was good or bad bc it involves prospects, who you know I call magic beans. But on the face of it, getting any guys with potential is worth the cost of two guys that weren't going to be with us for very long.

I think we may need to deal Renfroe and Hedges to get something for Kemp. I'm essentially for that. Not sure either is going to pan out. Renfroe was a college draftee and is only now sniffing the Bigs.

[6025]

Despite my bellyaching about the swap meet mentality lately, I'm glad they unloaded Cashner. Both the team and he needed a change.

[6025]

Marlins "trade" Rea back to the Padres for Castillo - Marlins claim Rea was "damaged goods" and the Pads accepted this deal rather than go through some kind of grievance process.

Rea actually pitched 3 1/3 innings for Miami before getting shutdown with the injury.

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/08/miami-marlins-colin-rea-san-diego-padres-luis-castillo-mlb-trade-deadline

[ArtistFormerlyKnownAsBKR]

Jeez, losing Castillo hurts. I'm kind of upset they took him back after we got Paddock and he's looking at TJ now. At that point, I'm calling it even.

[6025]

Padres must've known he was damaged goods.