What is the value... Or The advantage of the ball hog offense.

[MakoShark]

No, Demoralizing is when you go down the field & settle for a field goal, then you get a holding call that puts you out of fieldgoal range

The Raiders had 2 long & easy TD passes. I personally thinks it's good to have these plays happen early, Because it seems our defense isn't making the same mistake twice

Ooooookay.

[Panama]

No, Demoralizing is when you go down the field & settle for a field goal, then you get a holding call that puts you out of fieldgoal range

The Raiders had 2 long & easy TD passes. I personally thinks it's good to have these plays happen early, Because it seems our defense isn't making the same mistake twice

Not sure I would call at least the first TD a "mistake" except perhaps for the inadvertent rub the safety gave Flowers. This was a case of a faster WR running a great route to beat Flowers and Carr making a perfect throw. It happens sometimes. Agreed that we have to limit these sorts of things, but I suspect it won't be the last long TD we give up.

[rikardo]

We don't have the power running game, but we keep converting 3rd downs and score points, and then all of a sudden.

The more I see Oliver's style of run; the more I think we have a power running game. I would have to disagree with your comment; his yards after contact should be very high...

[Yubaking]

Well, yeah, that's what it does. It's a brilliant scheme!

I just thought your comment about forcing opponents to pass was a dig at Yuba, who wonders why opponents choose to abandon their gameplan and go pass happy when we clearly aren't the greatest run D of all time.


P.S., Yuba, this isn't an invitation to bring the debate into this thread. We all know where we both stand on this topic. I'm not trying to pollute this thread with that debate.

That's nice.

Time of possession creates all of the positive effects for us that have been described in this thread and yet nobody seems to get that it just might be a good strategy for opponents not to let us have that advantage. How do they do that? (Rhetorical question.)

:facepalm:

I know, I know, no team would choose not to run when it looks like they could do it successfully. NFL head coaches are geniuses, et cetera. How could I question them? After all, I have no NFL coaching experience. How dare I question a person with expertise in an area, any area, about anything, ever? Blah, blah, blah.

Of course, the foregoing bullshit notions from the preceding paragraph have been shown to be wrong (again) this week in the thread in which Reid admits to being wrong by not running the ball in certain situations and not running the ball enough versus SF in general. But hey, the article must be wrong because no team's play caller could possibly just call a bad game. After all, some of you guys have said that, so it must be true.

Really, we have a great run defense and teams can't run against us and control the clock because we "dictate" what other teams do with run defensive greatness (at which only 24 NFL teams are better). Nah, that approach would never work against us.

:banghead:

[Stinky Wizzleteats+]

Stop making everything about you. We are talking about our offensive scheme not how team should-a would-a could-a beat us by running the ball 90% of the time.

[Mister Hoarse]

Reid didnt run the ball at all last week.

[Yubaking]

Stop making everything about you. We are talking about our offensive scheme not how team should-a would-a could-a beat us by running the ball 90% of the time.

I am not the one that raised the issue. Some of you guys seem to conveniently ignore that fact--over and over and over again. In this case, Panama made multiple references to my position. If he refers to it, then I may choose to discuss it in this context.

And nobody is saying that a team should run against us 90% of time. What I suggested was in the range of a 60/40 split.

I totally agree with what is being said in this thread about the positives of our ball control offense. That's why the other team's best strategy is so obvious (assuming that they have the personnel to make it happen and KC might). It doesn't mean the other team will win, but negating those positives that we have with our offense would be a good approach.

[Stinky Wizzleteats+]

If those other teams do not play ball control well why have them play to there weakness'? If those other teams do not have a running game why not let them try?

[Yubaking]

If those other teams do not play ball control well why have them play to there weakness'? If those other teams do not have a running game why not let them try?

Right. I completely agree with what you are saying. In order to do what I am suggesting, the opponent needs to be able to run the ball effectively and have a QB that can keep possessions alive and that does not make that many mistakes.

Among our opponents, I think the above description best applies to SEA, KC, SF and, to my surprise, possibly BAL. DEN and/or NE might be able to set up short passes as a substitute for a ground game.

Again, I think that's what gives them the best chance, but regardless of what other teams do, we will always have a chance to win because we are very good.

For all of my focus on a couple of areas where we could be better, I really would rank us as the #1 team in the NFL right now. We aren't perfect, but we just might be the best in the NFL at this time.

[RTPbolt]

IMO the ability to be a ball hog offense and not letting the opposing offense have the ball IS a winning formula. It does require the personnel to execute it and a Defense that plays to the strengths of the opposition likely resorting to pass if we get ahead which in general we do have with this years CB additions and being in a 2nd year in the D.

We should succeed if we execute well ...i know duh. If we make mistakes it kills drives but in general the plays are higher percentage plays on an adjusted for defensive alignment which despite some top defenses we've played we execute very well. We have the advantage probably on 2/3rds or better of the plays. This system is great for this team and hell for teams to stop.

That said its the D and ST that will put this team over the top. We should win 8 games by our offense alone with mediocre D and ST play....see last year. This is why i think we can go far. Just get in the playoffs is goal 1. Doesnt matter whom we lose or win against...just execute most the time and we should meet the goal.

Thats my 2 cents.

[KNSD]

This ball hog offense the Chargers are running shouldn't work this consistently - it (almost) never does. Congrats to the team for being able to pull it off week in and week out. Nobody is supposed to be able to convert third downs at that pace.

The advantage is that the other team is gassed in the 4th quarter and has a high likelihood of falling apart.

[Steve]

Not sure I would call at least the first TD a "mistake" except perhaps for the inadvertent rub the safety gave Flowers. This was a case of a faster WR running a great route to beat Flowers and Carr making a perfect throw. It happens sometimes. Agreed that we have to limit these sorts of things, but I suspect it won't be the last long TD we give up.

It also helps that on the 2 long TD, we had blitzes called, with little or no help deep.

I can save the suspense, we will give up more long TD passes this year. You can't stop them completely. But you make it so they happen every few games, and so teams cannot sustain drives, the occasional long TD pass just stings a bit. And playing ball control(especially if the other team helps) will minimize the number even further. You can't throw a long TD pass unless you are throwing.