Future With Lynn?

[Bolt4Knob]

I agree with you,

It’s very clear Lynn was not a good hire for Rivers. It’s also very clear Lynn is not the right coach to grow with JH.

there are 164 pages here that state the obvious flaws in all aspects of planning and execution on game day. Lynn need to go to a team that is looking to find the next Lamar Jackson to test Lynn’s theory.

We can all agree Belicheat Pete carrel, Andy Reid are probably the best game managers, Lynn is at the bottom. Who can we find to be that falls under best guys.

This discussion should be about who is best candidate to grow with JH next 4-5 years.

Lynn was not a good hire for Rivers - you are correct. And when combined with Telesco not being able to give the team a good OL - it was a terrible combination

Anthony Lynn may be the right coach for a team - but he is not the right coach for a team working with Tom Telesco. They may like each other but they do not seem like they are a match for putting players with the coaching philosophy.

[bartman83642]

Dude. You literally posted the below statement. That I only mentioned take what defense gives him after you responded.
and it's clear as day I made that statement in my original post.
And it's clear as day I never made the statement he doesn't take short passes. If you have an issue admitting you were inaccurate and incorrect with your below statement which I called re writing history. That fine. Stick to your story if it makes you feel better. But fact is. Its in writing. If you think playing semantics or interpretation of my statement gets you off the hook of making stuff up. Good luck with that.
Happy Holidays. Go Chargers. Lynn2021!

Your statement: No, it wasn't. My whole point was to refute the statement you made that said he doesn't take short passes. Once again, you are the only one that mentioned the "take what the defense gives him" and that was after my initial post on the matter.

Wow, like I said before I did mention it. Way to beat a dead horse. However I still also qualified the fact that most of my post after were about the short passes which you can see by reading them for yourself. So, yes, the main point of my posts has been about the short passes. As far as not taking short passes your points including the one I bolded\pointed out in whole or part before infer he doesn't take them enough. From reading your posts I thought you were intelligent enough (unless you are saying you aren't) to pick up on the main theme and nuances of the post. Or, if I did not communicate my intent clearly enough I am sorry. However, even if my main point was Rivers is good at taking what the D gives him it still boils down to the same point in the end. That is because taking what the D gives him would still equate to taking the shorter passes. Since we know that he does take the short passes both from the numbers and also watching the games the main point of our discussion still ends the same.

In the end for some reason you have jumped on and are clinging to a statement that even if it is true still doesn't change the facts of Rivers passing short\taking what the day gives him either way. If that makes you feel better so be it but it is still weak sauce.

In the mean time I do agree with and wish you happy holidays as well and also with Go Chargers! After all in the end we are still both Chargers fans even if we don't agree on everything.

[Critty]

Wow, like I said before I did mention it. Way to beat a dead horse. However I still also qualified the fact that most of my post after were about the short passes which you can see by reading them for yourself. So, yes, the main point of my posts has been about the short passes. As far as not taking short passes your points including the one I bolded\pointed out in whole or part before infer he doesn't take them enough. From reading your posts I thought you were intelligent enough (unless you are saying you aren't) to pick up on the main theme and nuances of the post. Or, if I did not communicate my intent clearly enough I am sorry. However, even if my main point was Rivers is good at taking what the D gives him it still boils down to the same point in the end. That is because taking what the D gives him would still equate to taking the shorter passes. Since we know that he does take the short passes both from the numbers and also watching the games the main point of our discussion still ends the same.

In the end for some reason you have jumped on and are clinging to a statement that even if it is true still doesn't change the facts of Rivers passing short\taking what the day gives him either way. If that makes you feel better so be it but it is still weak sauce.

In the mean time I do agree with and wish you happy holidays as well and also with Go Chargers! After all in the end we are still both Chargers fans even if we don't agree on everything.

Rivers is not great at taking what defense gives him.
your stats don't prove that.

And River himself admits he needed to find the balance between aggressive and stupid.

Its not an intelligence thing. Its quite simple. I never claim he did not use short passes. So your contention that he indeed does and show stats of how many throws to RB refutes nothing in terms of my point about taking what defense gives him. There is no nuance. My point was very clearly about what Rivers himself admitted. He sometimes tries to do too much. And doing too much is not taking what the defense gives you.

Happy Holidays.

[Critty]

I agree with you,

It’s very clear Lynn was not a good hire for Rivers. It’s also very clear Lynn is not the right coach to grow with JH.

there are 164 pages here that state the obvious flaws in all aspects of planning and execution on game day. Lynn need to go to a team that is looking to find the next Lamar Jackson to test Lynn’s theory.

We can all agree Belicheat Pete carrel, Andy Reid are probably the best game managers, Lynn is at the bottom. Who can we find to be that falls under best guys.

This discussion should be about who is best candidate to grow with JH next 4-5 years.

So Lynn wasn't a good hire for Rivers?

Rivers had went 5-11, 4-12 with 34 interceptions before Lynn arrived in 2017.
He had not won double digit games since 2009.
Rivers was voted pro bowl only once during McCoy 4 years.

Lynn arrived.
He went 9-7 28TD 10Int. Pro bowl
Then 12-4 32TD 12int. Pro bowl. Statistically this is his 3rd best year of his entire career.
So right away winning again. TD INT ratio improved quite a bit. And 2 pro bowls and a playoff win.

I would say that was a very good hire. Until this 3rd year.
Then 5-11. 23TD 20 int. So just this one season can be said Lynn wasn't good for Rivers.

Just strange narrative that Lynn needs to get a Lamar Jackson. Lynn like Justin Herbert a lot. And he wouldn't trade Justin for Lamar. He just wouldn't. Its a myth that he wants a QB running all over the field.
The only thing Lynn said was he thinks a QB needs mobility to run a full offense. And it makes sense. If QB doesn't have mobility and cannot do any throws on the move. Then you can't move the pocket or do rollouts and bootlegs or other things as part of a game plan. You have to do everything from the pocket. Lynn wanted the extra dynamic. He has that with Justin Herbert. Lynn loves Justin.

[Critty]

I'm not saying that. I'm saying the opposite. I'm saying that if Lynn keeps on calling more unsuccessful runs and screens on 1st down he will (and has) become predictable.

And we see this play out each and every week.

I AM saying let's add in SOME play actions on 1st downs. Especially when we see the D crowding the box. No? No good? Okay, well, not sure where to go with this.

I get you thinking they need take some shots on 1st down.

What is their percentage of play action.

Where do they rank?

[Critty]

BayAreaBoltz

Below was my thoughts from last year's wish list thread.
A new GM, new personnel director. And analytics evaluator.
And new OC. Bieniemy would call a different game than Steichen. But here is the thing, Eric is also a former RB. Are you okay with a former RB as the OC. Eric was a Charger. Would you be okay if Eric was hired to replace Lynn as HC.


General Manager: Joe Horitz
Sr. Director of Player Personnel: Tim Terry

Sr. Director of Player Evaluations & Analytics: Corey Krawiec

Head Coach: Anthony Lynn

Offensive Coordinator/Assistant Head Coach: Eric Bieniemy

Defensive Coordinator: Gus Bradley

Quarterback: Joe Burrow

Any other Free Agent you want?: A.Castonzo-LT, J.Conklin-RT, B.Scherff-RG

Resign: Hunter Henry-TE

[Guest]

So Lynn wasn't a good hire for Rivers?

Rivers had went 5-11, 4-12 with 34 interceptions before Lynn arrived in 2017.
He had not won double digit games since 2009.
Rivers was voted pro bowl only once during McCoy 4 years.

Lynn arrived.
He went 9-7 28TD 10Int. Pro bowl
Then 12-4 32TD 12int. Pro bowl. Statistically this is his 3rd best year of his entire career.
So right away winning again. TD INT ratio improved quite a bit. And 2 pro bowls and a playoff win.

I would say that was a very good hire. Until this 3rd year.
Then 5-11. 23TD 20 int. So just this one season can be said Lynn wasn't good for Rivers.

Just strange narrative that Lynn needs to get a Lamar Jackson. Lynn like Justin Herbert a lot. And he wouldn't trade Justin for Lamar. He just wouldn't. Its a myth that he wants a QB running all over the field.
The only thing Lynn said was he thinks a QB needs mobility to run a full offense. And it makes sense. If QB doesn't have mobility and cannot do any throws on the move. Then you can't move the pocket or do rollouts and bootlegs or other things as part of a game plan. You have to do everything from the pocket. Lynn wanted the extra dynamic. He has that with Justin Herbert. Lynn loves Justin.

Lynn did not develop a QB that had started every game his team had played for 11 seasons before Lynn's arrival. That notion is ridiculous. Before Lynn's arrival, Rivers had been named to 6 Pro Bowls and had had seasons in which he led the league in: completions, attempts, completion percentage, passing yards, yards per game, TDs, TD%, yards per completion and passer rating. Rivers led the league in exactly none of those categories under Lynn.

The play of the OL and overall team talent were the reasons why Rivers and the Chargers did better in 2017 and 2018 than they did in 2015 and 2016.

Also, Rivers' INT% in 2015 was only 2.0% despite throwing 13 INTs. This is because Rivers led the NFL in pass attempts that season as the OL was horrible and Gordon the fumbler was "running" the ball. That year, he threw 29 TDs, more than twice as many TDs as INTs.

And, of course, you are wrong about Rivers only being named to one Pro Bowl under McCoy as he was on two Pro Bowl rosters during that period (2013 and 2016).

All Lynn did was to take arguably the most talented team in the NFL and lose in the divisional round and follow that up two seasons later by taking a playoff level team and running it into the ground by adopting stupid strategies that lost the team as many or more games than the number of games the team has actually won.

[Bolt4Knob]

Lynn did not develop a QB that had started every game his team had played for 11 seasons before Lynn's arrival. That notion is ridiculous. Before Lynn's arrival, Rivers had been named to 6 Pro Bowls and had had seasons in which he led the league in: completions, attempts, completion percentage, passing yards, yards per game, TDs, TD%, yards per completion and passer rating. Rivers led the league in exactly none of those categories under Lynn.

The play of the OL and overall team talent were the reasons why Rivers and the Chargers did better in 2017 and 2018 than they did in 2015 and 2016.

Also, Rivers' INT% in 2015 was only 2.0% despite throwing 13 INTs. This is because Rivers led the NFL in pass attempts that season as the OL was horrible and Gordon the fumbler was "running" the ball. That year, he threw 29 TDs, more than twice as many TDs as INTs.

And, of course, you are wrong about Rivers only being named to one Pro Bowl under McCoy as he was on two Pro Bowl rosters during that period (2013 and 2016).

All Lynn did was to take arguably the most talented team in the NFL and lose in the divisional round and follow that up two seasons later by taking a playoff level team and running it into the ground by adopting stupid strategies that lost the team as many or more games than the number of games the team has actually won.

My two things with Lynn are these
1) he is still not good with clock management, game management, strategy to win games and not lose them. And he hasn't gotten better at it. In fact, worse

2) he has this notion that having a balanced offense wins games when in fact outscoring your opponent wins games

And running Ballage down at the goal line because he is a bigger back - this was Poppers theory - over Ekeler is stupid. Ekeler is the better player. And don't get me started about balance - I want more points.

[Guest]

BayAreaBoltz

Below was my thoughts from last year's wish list thread.
A new GM, new personnel director. And analytics evaluator.
And new OC. Bieniemy would call a different game than Steichen. But here is the thing, Eric is also a former RB. Are you okay with a former RB as the OC. Eric was a Charger. Would you be okay if Eric was hired to replace Lynn as HC.


General Manager: Joe Horitz
Sr. Director of Player Personnel: Tim Terry

Sr. Director of Player Evaluations & Analytics: Corey Krawiec

Head Coach: Anthony Lynn

Offensive Coordinator/Assistant Head Coach: Eric Bieniemy

Defensive Coordinator: Gus Bradley

Quarterback: Joe Burrow

Any other Free Agent you want?: A.Castonzo-LT, J.Conklin-RT, B.Scherff-RG

Resign: Hunter Henry-TE

Anthony Lynn has been awful. Bradley has been awful. Obviously, the team needs to clean house immediately after he season ends. Your takes on Lynn have been ridiculous.

Bieniemy has proven nothing. Reid is the reason for KC's success. I do not want Bieniemy on the coaching staff at all in any capacity.

While Burrow may improve, he has demonstrated that he was overrated so far. I had Herbert ranked as the best of the rookie QBs before the draft and I think I will stay with that take.

The free agent choices were solid, but the team lacked the salary cap room to get all of that done.

[Critty]

Guest

The play of the OL and overall team talent was why the 2017 and 2018 team were better? Let me guess they were better in spite of Lynn. Right?

River had his best int percentage under Lynn.
Rivers had his 2nd best TD percentage under Lynn.
In spite of Lynn. Am I exactly right?

Sounds really contradictory to me. Anything to discredit Lynn and keep him in your narrative of worst coach in NFL history. Right?

:smh:

Literally
:wtfrudoing:

[Critty]

Guest
While Burrow may improve, he has demonstrated that he was overrated so far. I had Herbert ranked as the best of the rookie QBs before the draft and I think I will stay with that take.
1. Herbert
2. Burrow
3. Eason
4. Tagovailoa
5. Love
6. Fromm
7. Hurts

I do not want the Chargers to select any of these players.

For other teams that may need a QB (unlike the Chargers who need to re-sign Rivers), I would not select any of these QBs in the first half of the first round, but I think that Herbert, Burrow, Eason and Tagovailoa are all legitimate NFL players with a chance to be a starting QB. I think Love, Fromm and Hurts are fringe of the roster reserve only type players in the NFL


Yes stick with your take!
You did not want Herbert-QB.
You wanted to keep building around the aging veteran.
Your fired!

[BayAreaBoltz]

I get you thinking they need take some shots on 1st down.

What is their percentage of play action.

Where do they rank?

I don't know their percentage. The eyeball test says it's low. It's certainly low to begin games.

I assume you have the numbers?