Eat Crow - Rivers Led Colts or Chargers - Most Wins

[Caslon]

I voted Colts. Rivers produces but makes inexplicable decisions at times. Any team he's on has to get acquainted with that. Not dissing Rivers, but anyone remember hot headed Rivers disputing a decision with the refs while precious seconds ran off the clock? Rivers practically lost that game single handedly disputing the refs call. Any team with Rivers gets two Rivers. The one that produces and the one that perplexes.

[21&500]

First, I have very little faith in our defense and Gus Bradley.

Second, Justin Herbert is a rookie and this entire season should be all about building him up and making him even better than what he has already shown(which is already as promising as can be).

I could care less about wins and losses at the moment, it's all about seeing the progress and growth of JH and building up the tools around him.

Let the colts have a mediocre season and even make the playoffs because we know once they are there, they aren't going anywhere with PR at the helm. Been there, done that.

Lastly, patience is a virtue. Let's not forget that many Hall of Fame QB's started out their rookie seasons with terrible records. I believe Troy Aikman went 0-11 as a starter his rookie campaign.

All the above being said, if JH and the team somehow do pull off a winning record or make the playoffs, that will simply be icing on the cake.

if you’re interested in JHs progress and growth
imagine getting him some playoff experience this year
and a wild card exit would help him get a feel for playoff speed

[bartman83642]

What if they end up with the same record? Would there still be crow?

[OhioBolt]

My heart says Chargers but logic says Indy but this could be close.

Indy is already 2 games up but Indy looks to have the tougher schedule with Titans (2), Ravens, Green Bay, @Raiders, and @Steeler
Chargers tough games Raiders(2), Patriot (?) @ Bills and KC - should be able to split with Raiders, and the Patriots don't look imposing but Belichek>Lynn

[Critty]

What if they end up with the same record? Would there still be crow?

Yes.
Colts have a 2 game lead with 11 game to go.

[PR#1]

Yeah, I was thinking about the possibility too. It would be interesting. It would give our secondary a golden opportunity for some INTs.

Please refer to post #7 in this thread.

[PR#1]

Rivers team will have more wins, but still be held back by Rivers and his seemingly lapse of judgement during games. He tossed that intentional grounding pass while in the endzone without giving it a second thought. I mean, watch the replay. Rivers is in his own little world at times during games. He ditched that pass baaaad with seemingly no awareness. He'll take the penalty yardage. Not in the end zone Philip, my man. I predict the Colts do better tho, Rivers or not.

That is an example of quarterbacks getting far too much blame for failures.

There was a sequence of events that led to the safety.

1. Nyheim Hines fair caught the ball at the Colts 4 yard line. As bad as things went in the game, Colts only down by 7 at that point. Maybe should have let the ball bounce into the endzone ?
2. Miles Garrett was a one man wrecking crew that was singlehandedly destroying the Colts Oline all game long. Colts had a backup playing LT. Rivers was being pressured unmercifully all game long.
3. Coach Reich calls a pass play out of the endzone or on the 4 yard line.
4. As soon as the ball was snapped, Garrett was on top of Rivers. He did not have time to even think. He flung the ball out of bounds trying to get rid of it. Jack Doyle ran the wrong route and intentional grounding was called.

Had Rivers held onto the ball, he would have been sacked for the safety anyways. He just didn't have any time.

The right call would have been to run the ball and try to get some yards for an easier punt.

But hey, its great that Charger fans are watching Colts games rooting for Rivers. :salute:

[Boltdiehard]

I think Phil has one more run in him and I don’t even bother comparing Rivers and Herbert. I love what the rookie is doing but talk to me when he’s played every game for 10-15 years with this organization and Rivers gave the Chargers everything he had for a long time.

[powderblueboy]

Colts could well have twice as many wins as Bolts.... ceiling could be as low as five wins,

I see 3 automatic losses: Bills/Chiefs on the road & the Pats at home (can't get myself to not think Belichick badly out schemes Lynn & staff)

9 - 7 is there ceiling, but it won't happen: most of the rest are toss ups... i'll give them 5 - 4 because i'm nice.

Chargers will go 6 - 10: give or take a game

Colts need 4 wins to seal it: Bengals, lions, texans (2), jaguars....which makes 8 their floor.

[marionbutts]

That is an example of quarterbacks getting far too much blame for failures.

There was a sequence of events that led to the safety.

1. Nyheim Hines fair caught the ball at the Colts 4 yard line. As bad as things went in the game, Colts only down by 7 at that point. Maybe should have let the ball bounce into the endzone ?
2. Miles Garrett was a one man wrecking crew that was singlehandedly destroying the Colts Oline all game long. Colts had a backup playing LT. Rivers was being pressured unmercifully all game long.
3. Coach Reich calls a pass play out of the endzone or on the 4 yard line.
4. As soon as the ball was snapped, Garrett was on top of Rivers. He did not have time to even think. He flung the ball out of bounds trying to get rid of it. Jack Doyle ran the wrong route and intentional grounding was called.

Had Rivers held onto the ball, he would have been sacked for the safety anyways. He just didn't have any time.

The right call would have been to run the ball and try to get some yards for an easier punt.

But hey, its great that Charger fans are watching Colts games rooting for Rivers. :salute:

I don't think Doyle ran the wrong route, I think Rivers was just trying to defend against a safety being called. Anyway, agree with all of your other points.

[TheNose]

I cringed when we drafted Herbert, so there's that. So far I have been really impressed

[Velo]

What if the Colts bench Rivers and go with Brissett and start winning? Is there still crow? It's no longer Rivers and the Colts.