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  • Formula 21
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    The Missing Pieces

    We dug deep into the rosters of the 30 NFL teams that fell short of their ultimate goal to determine how many above-average players away from the Super Bowl each one was.


    How close were the Chargers to being Super Bowl contenders?

    By Pro Football Focus
    Breaking Down The Roster
    To be considered a Super Bowl contender, 40 percent of the players who took part in at least 250 snaps (varies by team) have to be rated as good or elite. Here's how Pro Football Focus evaluated each of the Chargers' 32 qualifying players.*





    Elite
    1
    S Eric Weddle
    NFL Average: 2

    Good
    4
    CB Brandon Flowers
    QB Philip Rivers
    WR Malcom Floyd
    RB Branden Oliver
    NFL Average: 4.3

    Average
    21
    TE Ladarius Green
    OT King Dunlap
    WR Keenan Allen
    WR Eddie Royal
    OLB Dwight Freeney
    ILB Manti Te'o
    ILB Andrew Gachkar
    C Chris Watt
    DE Ricardo Mathews
    DE Corey Liuget
    ILB Kavell Conner
    OLB Jarret Johnson
    DT Sean Lissemore
    OLB Melvin Ingram
    S Jahleel Addae
    OT D.J. Fluker
    DE Tenny Palepoi
    TE Antonio Gates
    C Rich Ohrnberger
    CB Richard Marshall
    S Marcus Gilchrist
    NFL Average: 21

    Bad
    6
    RB Donald Brown
    DE Kendall Reyes
    G Chad Rinehart
    G Johnnie Troutman
    ILB Donald Butler
    CB Shareece Wright
    NFL Average: 5.8

    *Pro Football Focus uses its proprietary metrics to evaluate every player on every snap in every game. Each player's rating here is based solely off how his performance in 2014 compared to that of the peers at his position. For more methodology explanation, click here.
    THE INSIDE STORY
    Where NFL Nation agrees/disagrees with Pro Football Focus

    by Eric D. Williams, ESPN.com

    Brandon Flowers

    CB Brandon Flowers: A late addition to the 2014 roster after signing a one-year deal in June, Flowers served as a significant upgrade to San Diego's ailing secondary. The Virginia Tech product added toughness, versatility and playmaking ability to the back end of San Diego's defense. Flowers finished with 52 combined tackles, led the team with three interceptions and also totaled 10 pass breakups. After San Diego allowed 259 passing yards per game last year (29th in the NFL), that number dipped to 214 this season (fourth in the NFL). Flowers deserves a fair share of the credit for that.

    Philip Rivers

    QB Philip Rivers: PFF ranked four QBs -- Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady, Drew Brees and Ben Roethlisberger -- as elite. Rivers also belongs among that group. Over the past two seasons, he's second in completion percentage (68 percent), fourth in touchdowns (63) and fifth in total QBR (69.3). Rivers played at an MVP level through the first half of 2014, with an 85.5 total QBR (second in the NFL, behind Peyton Manning) and 20 touchdowns (No. 3). Then a back injury, inconsistent pass protection and the lack of a running game (3.4 ypc, second-worst) led to a dip in his play. At 33 years old, Rivers can still perform at an elite level for a few more years. He's known for his toughness, having played in 144 consecutive regular-season starts, second only to Eli Manning (167).

    Branden Oliver

    RB Branden Oliver: With Ryan Mathews injured most of last season, Oliver received an increased workload and had his fair share of good moments. The undrafted rookie out of Buffalo started seven games and led the Chargers with 582 rushing yards. But he had just three runs of 20-plus yards on 160 attempts and averaged a paltry 3.6 yards per carry. Oliver has potential to rate as a good running back, but we need to see more of a sample size first.

    King Dunlap

    OT King Dunlap: In two seasons, Dunlap developed into an above-average left tackle, and as an unrestricted free agent, he should be San Diego's top priority this offseason. Dunlap played a career-high 1,000 snaps and gave up just three sacks and five quarterback hits on 625 pass attempts. Rivers is not the most fleet of foot, so the Chargers needs a reliable left tackle to protect his blindside. Dunlap consistently does that while also making his presence felt in the run game. The Chargers ran for more yards per carry (4.2) outside left tackle than in any other direction. Rivers said Dunlap should have made the Pro Bowl in 2014; he should be rated higher here.

    Antonio Gates

    TE Antonio Gates: At 34, Gates finished this season with 12 TDs, tied for the most among TEs with Rob Gronkowski and Julius Thomas. Gates finished with more touchdowns than elite-rated tight ends Greg Olsen (six TDs) and Jason Witten (five TDs) combined, while also totaling more receiving yards than Witten in 2014 (821 to 703). Sure, he's not exactly a mauler in the run game -- he ranked as PFF's fourth-worst run-blocking TE this season -- but Gates played in 72 percent of the snaps (721), which shows San Diego doesn't use him as a decoy. He remains one of the elite tight ends in the NFL.

    Donald Butler

    ILB Donald Butler: The University of Washington product, who signed a seven-year, $51.8-million contract extension the past offseason, was the third-highest paid linebacker in the league this season ($11.9 million). But his play didn't live up to the contract. Butler made very few impact plays and finished the season with one sack, three fumble recoveries and no interceptions. Eric Weddle took over defensive play-calling duties for Butler midway through the year as defensive coordinator John Pagano took Butler off the field on passing situations due to uneven play. He also failed to play a 16-game season for a third consecutive year, after dislocating his elbow against Denver in Week 15. "The sad thing was he was playing at a higher level before that injury and truly getting better," Pagano said. "He's got to get healthy and be ready to come back next year."
    Good News, Bad News

    by Sam Monson, Pro Football Focus
    Slot coverage snaps per reception allowed

    Good News: Signed almost as an afterthought after being released by the Chiefs, Brandon Flowers, PFF's No. 85 CB in 2013, rebounded in a big way this season. Through Week 11, he ranked behind only Chris Harris Jr. and Vontae Davis in PFF's cornerback rankings. Even with some poor performances down the stretch, he finished 15th overall. He allowed a reception from the slot once every 16.6 coverage snaps, a figure bettered by only Darrelle Revis.

    Bad News: Corey Luiget and Kendall Reyes continue to underperform along the defensive line. Luiget actually led the team with five sacks, which in itself is a problem, but neither player won much in the run game. Reyes actually had the lowest run-stop percentage of any 3-4 DE with 200 or more run snaps (3.8 percent).
    The Best, Worst Values

    by Kevin Seifert, ESPN.com

    Best -- CB Brandon Flowers: Shortly before training camp, the Chargers signed Flowers to a one-year contract worth a total of $3 million. They got a pretty high-end performance out of it; he intercepted three passes and defended a total of 11 in 14 games. Those aren't Joe Haden numbers, but Flowers wasn't making Joe Haden money, either. The deal allows Flowers to become an unrestricted free agent after the season, which reduces its value to the Chargers, but they certainly got their money's worth in 2014.

    Worst -- RB Donald Brown: This past offseason, Brown signed a three-year contract that guaranteed a $4 million salary, which was the high end in a depressed market for running backs. As such, his three-start, 223-yard output -- at 2.6 yards per carry -- should be considered a deep disappointment. Teams find productive runners deep in the draft or via college free agency every year. The Chargers proved that this season with the emergence of rookie Branden Oliver, who added 582 rushing yards, despite making the rookie minimum of $420,000.
    2014 Salary
    2014 Salary
    Grading the QB

    by Kevin Seifert, ESPN.com

    Philip Rivers' performance dropped a bit from 2013, but overall, he remained a top-10 NFL quarterback in his 11th season. Most concerning were his 18 interceptions, the second-most in his career. Thirteen of those 18 came in the second half of the season, when Rivers played through several injuries that might have contributed to a performance dip. Despite his struggles down the stretch, Rivers still managed a 66.8 QBR (10th overall). He's signed for 2015 at the relatively affordable price of $15.8 million, but now might be a good time for the Chargers to extend his contract to avoid a possible franchise-tag scenario next year.
    Positional Needs

    by Eric D. Williams, ESPN.com

    Outside linebacker: Dwight Freeney is a free agent, and the Chargers could save $5 million against the cap by cutting Jarret Johnson (just one sack in 2014). So there's a chance neither player will return in 2015. If that's the case, Melvin Ingram and Jeremiah Attaochu -- who had six sacks combined this season -- have to create more havoc up front. Look for the Chargers (26 sacks in 2014, fourth-worst in the NFL) to add a few more bodies to the mix at this key position.

    Running back: The Chargers called a pass play 63 percent of the time this past season, the 10th-most in the league. The reason? San Diego could not get the run game going. The Chargers averaged 3.2 yards per carry on first down -- when defenses know offenses want to run the ball - which was second-worst in the NFL. Ryan Mathews once again failed to make it through an entire season healthy and will be an unrestricted free agent in March. The Chargers need an every-down running back who can grind it out between the tackles and take some pressure off Rivers.

    Offensive line: King Dunlap is a keeper at left tackle, but after that there aren't too many positives here. San Diego's depth was tested up front this season, with five different players starting at center and three different players used at right guard. The Chargers -- who gained 3.6 yards per carry on runs between the guards, 29th in the league -- need more talent along the interior of the line, especially with center Nick Hardwick likely to retire.
    Now, if you excuse me, I have some Charger memories to suppress.
    The Wasted Decade is done.
    Build Back Better.
  • Millionaire Wussy
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    #2
    It sure seems that we need a lot of quality players. Either that or the ones we have get going. It's hard for me to see Liuget as "average".

    I would cut Reyes and Donald Brown now.
    For Stinky-Jon-Wizzleteats....

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    • bonehead
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      #3
      Originally posted by ratenstein
      They have R.Marshall as Avg. and S.Wright as bad... did I miss something?
      I think the small sample size for Marshall is what kept him out of the "bad" grouping. Maybe TT should show Wright this PFF article during contract negotiations.
      Forget it Donny you're out of your element

      Shut the fuck up Donny

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      • Formula 21
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        #4
        The "bad" looks like out FA/Draft list. It's nice to see 4 DL on the average list. Get a better DE and solid play from Carrethers, and Luiget should move into the good column.

        Get a FA ROT that's a "good", move Fluker to OG where he could be a "good", draft a C/OG and move Watt where he belongs, and this could be a decent O-Line.

        TT should be able to put together a solid plan to upgrade thsi roster this offseason since we are not that far away.
        Now, if you excuse me, I have some Charger memories to suppress.
        The Wasted Decade is done.
        Build Back Better.

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        • Millionaire Wussy
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          #5
          Originally posted by Formula Two One View Post
          The "bad" looks like out FA/Draft list. It's nice to see 4 DL on the average list. Get a better DE and solid play from Carrethers, and Luiget should move into the good column.

          Get a FA ROT that's a "good", move Fluker to OG where he could be a "good", draft a C/OG and move Watt where he belongs, and this could be a decent O-Line.

          TT should be able to put together a solid plan to upgrade thsi roster this offseason since we are not that far away.
          Yes. Yes. And yes.
          For Stinky-Jon-Wizzleteats....

          "Pray for strength and healing oh and money!"

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          • Steve
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            #6
            There are a lot of obvious question that would be interesting to ask, unfortunately, PFF hides behind the proprietary thing, and so we will never know what any of their crap really means. Like exactly what average means, and how close was any given team to having a whole bunch of guys in the next category. I mean, if you had 5 or 6 players who were a tenth of a point away from being in the next category, it would dramatically change your outlook on the scores, especially if the players were younger and still improving.

            The key for us is finding a way to get those young players to develop. Last year, several of the same players on those lists really played quite well, only to come back down to earth. Those player need to raise their game, and the rest need to show consistent improvement.

            Plus you have to figure that some of those grades are jut plain wrong anyway. They poorly judge a lot of positions, which suggests their grading methodology is pretty questionable.

            I would also like to see how Seattle and NE did on their grades, or any of the other SB participants during the period they examined. Do you have to have that many player, or i it just an average? Did any teams have more or le then the average, and did the champion have more or less then the average.

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            • Millionaire Wussy
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              #7
              Originally posted by Steve View Post
              There are a lot of obvious question that would be interesting to ask, unfortunately, PFF hides behind the proprietary thing, and so we will never know what any of their crap really means. Like exactly what average means, and how close was any given team to having a whole bunch of guys in the next category. I mean, if you had 5 or 6 players who were a tenth of a point away from being in the next category, it would dramatically change your outlook on the scores, especially if the players were younger and still improving.

              The key for us is finding a way to get those young players to develop. Last year, several of the same players on those lists really played quite well, only to come back down to earth. Those player need to raise their game, and the rest need to show consistent improvement.

              Plus you have to figure that some of those grades are jut plain wrong anyway. They poorly judge a lot of positions, which suggests their grading methodology is pretty questionable.

              I would also like to see how Seattle and NE did on their grades
              , or any of the other SB participants during the period they examined. Do you have to have that many player, or i it just an average? Did any teams have more or le then the average, and did the champion have more or less then the average.
              New England had the least air in their balls.
              For Stinky-Jon-Wizzleteats....

              "Pray for strength and healing oh and money!"

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              • Highboltage
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                #8
                Originally posted by alex View Post
                New England had the least air in their balls.
                Gisele likes small saggy balls!

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                • Formula 21
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                  #9
                  Looking at DEN


                  Breaking Down The Roster
                  To be considered a Super Bowl contender, 40 percent of the players who took part in at least 250 snaps (varies by team) have to be rated as good or elite. Here's how Pro Football Focus evaluated each of the Broncos' 31 qualifying players.*

                  Elite
                  Good
                  Average
                  Bad

                  6
                  OLB Von Miller
                  CB Chris Harris Jr.
                  RB C.J. Anderson
                  WR Demaryius Thomas
                  WR Emmanuel Sanders
                  DE Malik Jackson
                  NFL Average: 2
                  5
                  OLB Brandon Marshall
                  CB Aqib Talib
                  G Orlando Franklin
                  DT Terrance Knighton
                  TE Virgil Green
                  NFL Average: 4.3
                  18
                  TE Julius Thomas
                  QB Peyton Manning
                  C Will Montgomery
                  DE DeMarcus Ware
                  S T.J. Ward
                  ILB Nate Irving
                  TE Jacob Tamme
                  OT Louis Vasquez
                  S Rahim Moore
                  DT Marvin Austin Jr.
                  OT Ryan Clady
                  DE Derek Wolfe
                  OT Paul Cornick
                  CB Bradley Roby
                  G Manny Ramirez
                  OT Chris Clark
                  WR Wes Welker
                  DT Sylvester Williams
                  NFL Average: 21
                  2
                  DE Quanterus Smith
                  RB Ronnie Hillman
                  NFL Average: 5.8

                  *Pro Football Focus uses its proprietary metrics to evaluate every player on every snap in every game. Each player's rating here is based solely off how his performance in 2014 compared to that of the peers at his position. For more methodology explanation, click here.
                  There's a lot of money in some highly thought of "Average" players
                  TE Julius Thomas
                  QB Peyton Manning
                  DE DeMarcus Ware
                  OT Louis Vasquez
                  OT Ryan Clady
                  WR Wes Welker
                  Now, if you excuse me, I have some Charger memories to suppress.
                  The Wasted Decade is done.
                  Build Back Better.

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                  • SDFan
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                    #10
                    wait a minute, I thought this thread was about the LA punk band from the 1980s with the blonde model chick singer?
                    Life is too short to drink cheap beer :beer:

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                    • bonehead
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Formula Two One View Post
                      Looking at DEN



                      There's a lot of money in some highly thought of "Average" players
                      TE Julius Thomas
                      QB Peyton Manning
                      DE DeMarcus Ware
                      OT Louis Vasquez
                      OT Ryan Clady
                      WR Wes Welker
                      yeah, Virgil Green=good Julius Thomas=average
                      Forget it Donny you're out of your element

                      Shut the fuck up Donny

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                      • SDFan
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by ratenstein
                        Did you mean Missing Persons?
                        There wouldn't be much point in writing a thread about them though... I mean, what are words for?
                        well I was planning a trip to Disneyland and wondering if we should get a cheaper hotel on the outskirts and drive/park on site or just stay closer and hoof it- but then I thought "nobody walks in LA!"
                        Life is too short to drink cheap beer :beer:

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