How Good is the Chargers Roster? A Statistic Everyone Needs to See

[Kellyb72601]

This is very sobering. Aside from QB, the Chargers roster generates the 2nd least wins above replacement of any roster in the league.

https://twitter.com/arjunmenon100/status/1599591335367151616

The "bad" parts of this roster are just really really bad. Tackling by the linebackers & secondary. Run blocking by the Oline & pass blocking at some positions etc.

[Velo]

This is very sobering. Aside from QB, the Chargers roster generates the 2nd least wins above replacement of any roster in the league.

https://twitter.com/arjunmenon100/status/1599591335367151616

The "bad" parts of this roster are just really really bad. Tackling by the linebackers & secondary. Run blocking by the Oline & pass blocking at some positions etc.

What/who are the bad parts of the roster?

[CanadianBoltFan]

This is very sobering. Aside from QB, the Chargers roster generates the 2nd least wins above replacement of any roster in the league.

https://twitter.com/arjunmenon100/status/1599591335367151616

The "bad" parts of this roster are just really really bad. Tackling by the linebackers & secondary. Run blocking by the Oline & pass blocking at some positions etc.

We watch those bad parts you listed every Sunday. And the basics never seem to get better.

[WindsorUK]

We have a bad roster? Shocking!
Thank you, Captain Obvious.......

[dmac_bolt]

Our best players were replaced with our worst backups - TT’s failure for now 10 years is he has never had two-deep roster depth., forget about line em up 3 deep and compete nonsense.

every roster he’s fielded is always one injury from collapse. And there is always an injury (many more this year). His replacement rate of serviceable players equals his attrition rate, so roster improvement is never made forward. Forget firing Staley - fire Telesco and bring in a pro GM that forces him to hire seasoned Coordinators and acquire real football players.

I read all of the gnashing about stubborn Staley unwilling to adjust his system. But every week I see players dropped directly into positions to make plays but just not make them. Scheme is supposed to put players in place to make plays, but players gotta then make them. Watching defenders ragdolled for an extra 5 yards after contact, while opposing defenders drop chargers in their tracks … smh. Scheme will fix that? Watching 3+ rushers grabbing Herbie at the same time most of the day and then reading that Lombo didn’t put in chips for Crosby (he did), …. SMH.

Telesco had 10 years. Its time.

[jaguarmanftype]

What/who are the bad parts of the roster?

It's a long list that includes even a part of the coaching staff and front office.

[Kellyb72601]

It's just incredibly shocking how this literally went from possibly one of the best rosters in years in the entire NFL into a roster battling the Texans for worst in the league. Yeah injuries have a LOT to do with that but even guys that aren't injured have either regressed majorly or not developed. Going into the season I thought they had a possible 9 or 10 pro bowlers on the team, and it didn't take a large leap to make that prediction. They were going to be a really good team playing in a major media market with a TON of primetime games and a TON of really good players:

Keenan Allen
Mike Williams
Rashawn Slater
Corey Linsley
*Zion Johnson
Justin Herbert
Austin Eckeler
Joey Bosa
Khalil Mack
JC Jackson
* Sebastian Joseph-Day
* Asante Samuel Jr.

* Potentially dominant (Zion) or highly ascending younger players (Samuel & Joseph-Day)

Everything was going pretty well until that interception pick 6 on the goal line vs the Chiefs in game 2. They were totally dominating the chiefs and the game on the field wasn't as close as the score. They were clearly the superior team, the more physical team, the more talented team, & about to go up 2 scores, then that happened. Ever since then it's just been an unbelievable carnal wreckage of injuries & suck. They went from THAT, into a 6-6 football team that isn't as good as their record. They have a worse point differential than the Panthers and Falcons and really should be more like 3-9. Fundamentally, they are not a good team by any measure. I've just never seen anything like it.

Yeah, injuries, BUT ascending players like ASJ have regressed majorly & become major liabilities. Joseph-Day has played average at best. Guys I thought at least could play league average or slightly above average like Kenneth Murray, Matt Feiler, & Nassir Adderly have turned into liabilities & either been benched or need to be benched. Just never seen anything like it.

[QSmokey]

It's just incredibly shocking how this literally went from possibly one of the best rosters in years in the entire NFL into a roster battling the Texans for worst in the league. Yeah injuries have a LOT to do with that but even guys that aren't injured have either regressed majorly or not developed. Going into the season I thought they had a possible 9 or 10 pro bowlers on the team, and it didn't take a large leap to make that prediction.

Yeah, injuries, BUT ascending players like ASJ have regressed majorly & become major liabilities. Joseph-Day has played average at best. Guys I thought at least could play league average or slightly above average like Kenneth Murray, Matt Feiler, & Nassir Adderly have turned into liabilities & either been benched or need to be benched. Just never seen anything like it.

A TOTAL housecleaning is necessary. We need to move into FULL rebuild mold, focused around Herbie and about a dozen other YOUNG players (Slater, Zion, James, Ek, etc). Tough decisions regarding aging vets, and their bloated salaries, will have to be made (KA, Mack, Feiler, maybe even Linsley, and others). Because we'd be rebuilding, and expectations adjusted to allow for that, we're probably looking at 2025 before we'd be a factor again. And yes, that means the next regime (coaching staff and FO) will need to be given a pass for 2023 and 2024, because it's going to take 3 off-seasons ('22, '23, and '24) of good drafts and wise FA signings to rebuild this roster. I'm thinking our W-L records (counting this year) will be something like 6-11 (hopefully), 4-13, 7-9, before we make the leap in '25 to the playoffs.

In my mind, there's no other way around this. The 3-year plan can start after this (wasted) season, or next, or the one after that. I'd prefer to see it happen sooner, rather than later.

[Kellyb72601]

Yeah really the entire philosophy of what type of player you draft needs to change, especially on defense. The fatal flaw with this team has been trying to build a defense to beat the chiefs. Tillery was drafted because he's a fast defensive tackle that could Chase Mahomes down. Murray was drafted because he is a fast linebacker that could play sideline to sideline. Tranquil was drafted because he was a safety that could convert to linebacker and play sideline to sideline. Woods was drafted because he was a fast ball hawking safety.

You can't be drafting players on defense that aren't physical and struggle with tackling. The end result of that approach has been having a defense that still can't beat the chiefs and can't beat anyone else either because the chiefs approach is far out of the norm of what you face on a week to week basis in the NFL. They get outplayed physically and struggle to tackle.

I don't disagree with the approach on offense other than the lack of emphasis on speed at receiver. But if you keep prioritizing the Oline things will work themselves out on that side of the ball. A good Oline with an average to above average QB will always produce. Just look at Detroit.

[Riverwalk]

A TOTAL housecleaning is necessary. We need to move into FULL rebuild mold, focused around Herbie and about a dozen other YOUNG players (Slater, Zion, James, Ek, etc). Tough decisions regarding aging vets, and their bloated salaries, will have to be made (KA, Mack, Feiler, maybe even Linsley, and others). Because we'd be rebuilding, and expectations adjusted to allow for that, we're probably looking at 2025 before we'd be a factor again. And yes, that means the next regime (coaching staff and FO) will need to be given a pass for 2023 and 2024, because it's going to take 3 off-seasons ('22, '23, and '24) of good drafts and wise FA signings to rebuild this roster. I'm thinking our W-L records (counting this year) will be something like 6-11 (hopefully), 4-13, 7-9, before we make the leap in '25 to the playoffs.

In my mind, there's no other way around this. The 3-year plan can start after this (wasted) season, or next, or the one after that. I'd prefer to see it happen sooner, rather than later.

You simply won’t have a total housecleaning as long as the GM reports to John Spanos and he’s responsible for all player and coaching decisions.

John is responsible for this “mess” as you call it more than any other person in the organization and John isn’t going anywhere.

They other thing that can be assured is “move to FULL rebuild” isn’t going to happen either.

You think they are dumping Mack, Allen, Williams, Linsley, Jackson, Bosa, and sacrificing two years when they have to start paying Herbie $50M a year starting next year?

come on….be realistic. This team can win it all with who they have and another decent draft and FA signings along with replacing OC and DC with proven experienced innovative coaches.

but Lombardi and Hill have to go. They were a cheap owners experiment with coaches that only have practice squad talent.

[jamrock]

It's just incredibly shocking how this literally went from possibly one of the best rosters in years in the entire NFL into a roster battling the Texans for worst in the league. Yeah injuries have a LOT to do with that but even guys that aren't injured have either regressed majorly or not developed. Going into the season I thought they had a possible 9 or 10 pro bowlers on the team, and it didn't take a large leap to make that prediction. They were going to be a really good team playing in a major media market with a TON of primetime games and a TON of really good players:

Keenan Allen
Mike Williams
Rashawn Slater
Corey Linsley
*Zion Johnson
Justin Herbert
Austin Eckeler
Joey Bosa
Khalil Mack
JC Jackson
* Sebastian Joseph-Day
* Asante Samuel Jr.

* Potentially dominant (Zion) or highly ascending younger players (Samuel & Joseph-Day)

Everything was going pretty well until that interception pick 6 on the goal line vs the Chiefs in game 2. They were totally dominating the chiefs and the game on the field wasn't as close as the score. They were clearly the superior team, the more physical team, the more talented team, & about to go up 2 scores, then that happened. Ever since then it's just been an unbelievable carnal wreckage of injuries & suck. They went from THAT, into a 6-6 football team that isn't as good as their record. They have a worse point differential than the Panthers and Falcons and really should be more like 3-9. Fundamentally, they are not a good team by any measure. I've just never seen anything like it.

Yeah, injuries, BUT ascending players like ASJ have regressed majorly & become major liabilities. Joseph-Day has played average at best. Guys I thought at least could play league average or slightly above average like Kenneth Murray, Matt Feiler, & Nassir Adderly have turned into liabilities & either been benched or need to be benched. Just never seen anything like it.

It is amazing how that one play turned the season into a disaster. It was the next series that Herbert’s rib cartilage was fractured and that really did us in. One play. No need to hurry with Everett gassed.

[jamrock]

Yeah really the entire philosophy of what type of player you draft needs to change, especially on defense. The fatal flaw with this team has been trying to build a defense to beat the chiefs. Tillery was drafted because he's a fast defensive tackle that could Chase Mahomes down. Murray was drafted because he is a fast linebacker that could play sideline to sideline. Tranquil was drafted because he was a safety that could convert to linebacker and play sideline to sideline. Woods was drafted because he was a fast ball hawking safety.

You can't be drafting players on defense that aren't physical and struggle with tackling. The end result of that approach has been having a defense that still can't beat the chiefs and can't beat anyone else either because the chiefs approach is far out of the norm of what you face on a week to week basis in the NFL. They get outplayed physically and struggle to tackle.

I don't disagree with the approach on offense other than the lack of emphasis on speed at receiver. But if you keep prioritizing the Oline things will work themselves out on that side of the ball. A good Oline with an average to above average QB will always produce. Just look at Detroit.

That has been my problem with the Staley D as a whole as his style has become an anachronism over night. The trend to punishing running teams is in full view and we are not cut out to defend it. Weren't last season either.