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  • Velo
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    Originally posted by UtahBolt View Post
    I love JH and glad he is our QB, but something is off right now.
    Same.

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    • gzubeck
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      Originally posted by Velo View Post
      Same.
      The kid will play injured until he becomes disinterested in the rest of the team not doing their job. Why o why can't we play Stick when Herbert is not feeling "Just Fine!" and every time he gets the snap from shotgun he's reminded of his injury. This is why I hate coaches who do selfish things in the short term vs. getting Herbert Healed up and rested for 2-3 weeks for his finger. This organization does not plan for adversity.
      Chiefs won the Superbowl with 10 Rookies....

      "Locked, Cocked, and ready to Rock!" Jim Harbaugh

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      • richpjr
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        Originally posted by gzubeck View Post

        The kid will play injured until he becomes disinterested in the rest of the team not doing their job. Why o why can't we play Stick when Herbert is not feeling "Just Fine!" and every time he gets the snap from shotgun he's reminded of his injury. This is why I hate coaches who do selfish things in the short term vs. getting Herbert Healed up and rested for 2-3 weeks for his finger. This organization does not plan for adversity.
        What team in the entire league would rest their starting QB for 2 or 3 games with an injury to a finger on his non-throwing hand?

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        • charger1_sj
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          Originally posted by wu-dai clan View Post
          If one bothers to look at the video evidence, QJ is a Flex WR, lining up at X, Y, and Z, and creating space between himself and defenders.

          Zay does not have this flexibility, and Addison only somewhat.

          Is the goal supposed to be to produce impressive stats early (for Fantasy Football players) ?

          No, the goal is to win late in the season and in the playoffs, when opponents have lots of tape, but are helpless because of matchups.

          Such is the advantage of QJ's skillset, placed amongst the Chargers WR population.

          Now throw in the presence of DDavis and Guyton.
          #1 Looks like most of the time QJ is not getting separation or getting it late.
          #2 The goal is to win games, that's how you make the POs.
          #3 Even when QJ is open Herbert is not looking that way or not seeing him
          #4 I don't see any advantage to QJs skill set. The idea is get open early. When the DB bites you burn him deep. I only saw
          this once in all the snaps.
          #5 We are 2-4. Late games won't mean shit at this rate.

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          • wu-dai clan
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            Ok sj.
            We will see how this plays out.
            We play modern Harball.

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            • AK47
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              Originally posted by charger1_sj View Post

              #1 Looks like most of the time QJ is not getting separation or getting it late.
              #2 The goal is to win games, that's how you make the POs.
              #3 Even when QJ is open Herbert is not looking that way or not seeing him
              #4 I don't see any advantage to QJs skill set. The idea is get open early. When the DB bites you burn him deep. I only saw
              this once in all the snaps.
              #5 We are 2-4. Late games won't mean shit at this rate.
              Legit question: On plays where you know you're like the 4th option on a given play, do you try to beat your man every single time? Because aren't you supposed to save your stamina for plays where you're a top option?

              QJ if you're reading this.....get so freaking open on every play it'll force Herbert to throw to you.

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              • el_jefe999
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                Nothing in what I have seen with Herbert forcing the ball to a tightly covered Williams, Everett or Allen(often with great success) makes me think this is an issue with getting open. It's about trust and chemistry and I would love to see some wide receiver screens to start building that or whatever Moores favorite version of that play is.

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                • gzubeck
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                  Originally posted by richpjr View Post

                  What team in the entire league would rest their starting QB for 2 or 3 games with an injury to a finger on his non-throwing hand?
                  Other teams have competent back-ups and functioning olines. Without a functioning oline we are kidding ourselves. Just maybe his finger is not healing as fast as it should if he would have taken two weeks off of the bye week in addition. Guess what, we lost those two games anyways and Herberts finger might not be healed any time soon.
                  Chiefs won the Superbowl with 10 Rookies....

                  "Locked, Cocked, and ready to Rock!" Jim Harbaugh

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                  • richpjr
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                    Originally posted by gzubeck View Post

                    Other teams have competent back-ups and functioning olines. Without a functioning oline we are kidding ourselves. Just maybe his finger is not healing as fast as it should if he would have taken two weeks off of the bye week in addition. Guess what, we lost those two games anyways and Herberts finger might not be healed any time soon.
                    Do not disagree that rest would allow the finger to heal faster but no QB in the league is going to sit for 2 or 3 games to let it heal, regardless of the line or backup.

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                    • charger1_sj
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                      Originally posted by AK47 View Post

                      Legit question: On plays where you know you're like the 4th option on a given play, do you try to beat your man every single time? Because aren't you supposed to save your stamina for plays where you're a top option?

                      QJ if you're reading this.....get so freaking open on every play it'll force Herbert to throw to you.
                      There is never a forth option. The QB goes through his reads and finds the open guy. If nobody is open there should be a check down guy, as we used Ekeler last year.
                      The open guy for us is often Allen. So he's going to get first look from Herbert. There are caveats. If there is a one on one situation the QB can use that option. Rivers
                      often did that. QJ as seen in those videos is one on one, but he never beats his man. So he's not going to be an option. I think there was one back shoulder throw to him.
                      That's what happens as an option when you don't get separation, use come back routes to the QB. Didn't see him do that to often either.

                      Right now QJ cannot beat press coverage. So you either line him up behind the LOS to give him a free release or you put him in motion which may free him up.
                      Again didn't see any of that. He's just a bad fit for what we are trying to use him for.

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                      • AK47
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                        Originally posted by charger1_sj View Post

                        Right now QJ cannot beat press coverage. So you either line him up behind the LOS to give him a free release or you put him in motion which may free him up.
                        Again didn't see any of that. He's just a bad fit for what we are trying to use him for.
                        A bit early but man for a 1st round pick. At least get some catches.

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                        • charger1_sj
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                          Originally posted by AK47 View Post

                          A bit early but man for a 1st round pick. At least get some catches.
                          Just to be clear. I am not saying he is a bust. But right now he's just not being used in a way that benefits the team.
                          Sometimes rookies need time to develop chemistry with the QB. At some point Moore needs to find way to get this
                          guy the football so we can see what we got. That's called scheming. Right now he's just lining up and running routes
                          where he just disappears from the action.

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