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    Chargers Offense Needs Help... Some Thoughts!

    I wrote a few articles discussing the Chargers offense.

    1. The Quick Passing Game And Its Correlation To Success – A Chargers Analysis

    A little preview: "Last Three Games (NYJ, CHI, KC) – Passes Behind The Line of Scrimmage: 16/17 for 129 yards and a touchdown. VS Three Offensive Victories (MIN, LVR, CHI) – Passes Behind The Line of Scrimmage: 28/28 for 174 and a touchdown." Just basically discussing how important throwing the ball short is, and how it has worked for the bolts in the past.


    To analyze how important the short passing game is, different games were studied to show the major difference in the Chargers offense without it.


    2. The Chargers Offense Struggles Against A Strong Defense – Where Can They Improve?

    ​A little preview: " Highly touted for his yards-after-catch ability, Johnston has yet to get really any run as a YAC threat. In the one play where he was targetted on a shallow crosser, he made a few defenders miss and made what could have been a 3-4 yard gain to a 12-yard connection. More manufactured space for the young rookie would a long way in not only his production but the Chargers’ offensive totals in general.​"



    let me know what you guys think!


    Copy And Paste Below

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    ​​​​​​
    To Analyze How Important The Short Passing Game Is, Different Games Were Studied To Show The Major Difference In The Chargers Offense Without It.


    The Los Angeles Chargers have gone down two different offensive philosophies during this season thus far. One of which is explosive play hunting, the other being the utilization of the short passing game. To analyze how important the quick passing game is, different games were tracked and studied to show the major difference in the Chargers offense when using the short passing attack and when they were not. Utilizing the Screen and the Short Passing Game


    The Chargers offense struggling in the quick game was not something that I thought would come up after the Chargers offensive masterpiece this season against the Minnesota Vikings. In that week three game, Herbert had one of his best performances, and this was completely due to the perfectly executed screen game, as well as the quick passing attack drawn up from Offensive Coordinator, Kellen Moore. Herbert went 14/14 for 59 yards on passes behind the line of scrimmage. For passes 10 yards and under, Herbert went 19/24 for 157 yards and two touchdowns.

    That Vikings game showed exactly what a strong short passing game can do for an NFL offense. Granted, the Vikings are a team that is very susceptible to a good short passing game, but even just having a good plan that is executed well is a step forward compared to what the Chargers are doing currently.

    In the last three games, Herbert in the short game has not been the same, which has led to a big part in the offensive regression we have seen develop in the last few weeks.

    So, to compare as evenly as possible, we will take the Charger’s last three victories besides the latest victory against the Jets, comparing these victories to their last three games in general, where they have struggled offensively in all three. This will show the formula: A good short passing game correlates to a better offensive performance and more confidence-inspiring victories. Last Three Games (NYJ, CHI, KC) – Passes Behind The Line of Scrimmage: 16/17 for 129 yards and a touchdown.


    After the Joe Lombardi disaster, the last thing Charger fans would expect to want is more short passes. Unfortunately, Lombardi was right about one thing: throwing the ball short is crucial in today’s NFL, though he forgot in his scheme that a short passing game should only be a singular part of a game plan. Not the entire game plan.

    On paper, the presented stat line looks great, but considering this stat line is across three games, that is a little under six behind-the-line-of-scrimmage passing attempts per game. That is simply not enough to sustain drives in the NFL. A strong screen game is very important, especially when you have very good yards after catching targets like Austin Ekeler, Gerald Everett, and Quentin Johnston. Three Offensive Victories (MIN, LVR, CHI) – Passes Behind The Line of Scrimmage: 28/28 for 174 and a touchdown.


    The ability to sustain drives and run the clock is crucial in winning football games. In the Chargers’ three wins before the Jets, they averaged little over nine passes behind the line of scrimmage, nearly a 33% increase from their last three games average.

    This increase gave the Chargers offense more time of possession and sustainability on offense, using the short passing game as an extension of the run game.

    Note: Both ends of this statistic include the Bears game. Last Three Games (NYJ, CHI, KC) – Passes 10 Yards or Less From The Line of Scrimmage: 33/43 for 255 yards and 2 touchdowns.


    Once again, on paper, this looks acceptable, but in contrast to the other side of the equation, this does not come close. The one victory in the last three games, where the Chargers offense seemed to do okay, was the one game where the short passing game stood out. The Bears game alone accounted for 17 of the 33 total completions, 136 of the 255 yards, and both the touchdowns.

    Against better defenses; the Jets and the Chiefs, the Chargers offense did not even really attempt to get a short passing game going. Only totaled 16 completions, for 119 yards, and no touchdowns. Predictably, the Chargers offensive totals for both of those games were extremely lackluster, and this was majority due to the lack of sustainability you gain from having a quick passing game. Three Offensive Victories (MIN, LVR, CHI) – Passes 10 Yards or Less From The Line of Scrimmage: 41/76 for 326 yards and 5 touchdowns.


    In the three victories against Minnesota, Las Vegas, and Chicago, Kellen Moore called an offense that relied less on explosive play hunting and instead relied upon setting up the deep ball with a barrage of quick concepts.

    Knowing that the offensive line without Corey Linsley has struggled makes staying ahead of a strong pass rush, as well as staying ahead of the chains even more important. To do so, utilizing Keenan Allen’s route-running prowess and Justin Herbert’s quick processor to its full capacity is a great way to minimize weaknesses and maximize strengths. This philosophy has shown up in the win column.

    Note: Both ends of this statistic include the Bears game. Long Story Short


    If the Chargers want to get back on track and stampede their way into the playoffs, they must go back to their first victory over the Vikings and use that game plan as a basis for their next opponents. All in all, The formula is simple. To win football games, you have to utilize the short passing game.

    Main Photo: Kevin R. Wexler-USA TODAY NETWORK

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    The Chargers Offense Has Been Inconsistent This Season. The Chargers Need To Find A Way To Move On From Shakey Offensive Performances.

    In week nine, The Los Angeles Chargers faced off against the New York Jets and won handily 27-6. This was to no thanks to the Chargers offense, who put up under 200 total offensive yards. So, what went wrong with this Chargers Offense and where can they improve? Chargers vs Jets Offensive Struggles


    As mentioned before, the Chargers did not even put up 200 yards against the now 4-4 New York Jets. However, this is not a big surprise as the Jets boast one of the best defenses in the entire league, with a dominant defensive line and a very strong secondary. This combined with the Chargers showing some sluggish offensive moments in their last few games before week nine, the Bolts seemed bound to have a bad offensive game.

    Previous to the Jets game, the Chargers had major second-half offensive struggles, putting up only six points second-half points on the weak Bears defense. The trend continues as the Chargers did not even score a single point in the second half against the Chiefs. So, why is this extremely talented Chargers offense struggling to put points up on the board?

    The Chargers have not been the same since Justin Herbert’s finger injury, and whether it is directly correlated or not, it is the mark where the Chargers offense dipped in production. The Chargers also have suffered major attrition on the offensive side of the ball, losing star receiver Mike Williams, the offensive line leader, in center, Corey Linsley, and key playmaker, Joshua Palmer.

    Injuries will hamper any team’s production, but that is not solely the main reason behind the offensive struggles. This lies in personnel choices, offensive playcalling, and the play of certain offensive groups. The Chargers will have to go toe-to-toe with one of the league’s best offenses in the Detroit Lions on Sunday, and to win this game, they need to improve offensively. How Can The Chargers Offense Improve to be Ready to Compete With the Dominant Detroit Lions

    The Blueprint for an Offensive Improvement:

    Better Protection Against Stunts


    All football fans have heard the saying “It all starts up front” when it comes to building a successful team, whether it is offense or defense. The trenches are crucial, and the Chargers offense is lacking good communication amongst this offensive line group. The Chargers desperately miss their Center, Corey Linsley, and his ability to call protections and set up success for the young linemen around him.

    The Chargers have a very young offensive line, and the lack of communication when passing off stunts to each other is apparent. Last year’s sixth-round selection, Jamaree Salyer was a standout tackle in replacement of Rashawn Slater last season and was asked to move to the other side, and inside to right guard. He has not looked the same and has struggled to identify the end man looping back inside to Salyer’s gap. His running mate, right tackle, Trey Pipkins also struggles to pick up and communicate against stunts, which leads to a disastrous right side of the offensive line in terms of pass protection, though both of these linemen are very talented and have shown to play respectable in the past.

    Without communication amongst each other, defenses will continue to get free rushers right into Justin Herbert’s lap unblocked, and the Chargers offense will continue to struggle. Setting up Individual Players for Success


    The Chargers usually do a good job using their offensive playmakers to their strengths. Thus far under Kellen Moore, it seems as though some players get that treatment and others do not. Stars like Keenan Allen and Justin Herbert are able to adjust to any scheme but are being used in a way that suits their skill sets. Herbert gets to use his quick processing in the short game, and his arm strength in the deep passing game. Allen uses his dominant route running in the route combinations given, as well as being placed in varied alignments to catch defenses slipping.

    On the other hand, a few key offensive playmakers have yet to be let off the leash, and truly show what they can do. The first that comes to mind is Chargers first-round selection, Quentin Johnston. Highly touted for his yards-after-catch ability, Johnston has yet to get really any run as a YAC threat. In the one play where he was targetted on a shallow crosser, he made a few defenders miss and made what could have been a 3-4 yard gain to a 12-yard connection. More manufactured space for the young rookie would a long way in not only his production but the Chargers’ offensive totals in general.

    Another pass catcher with YAC ability is starting tight end, Gerald Everett. The former Seahawk has shown to be a very hard player to tackle and always fights his hardest after a reception. Everett currently ranks T-8th amongst tight ends for yards after catch per reception. Everett also is first amongst all tight ends in missed tackles forced.

    The Chargers simply need to get the ball to Everett more, as being ranked 29th in tight-end targets is simply unacceptable, when you have a playmaker like #7. Involve Joshua Kelley More


    The last key to improvement for this Chargers offense is the most simple. The Bolts need to simply involve second-string running back, Joshua Kelley more. Kelley has been the best pure rusher on the team thus far, and it is not even close. The former UCLA product currently ranks 13th in yards after contact per attempt, 14th in yards per attempt, and fifth in explosive run rate. The Chargers run game has been pretty hit or miss with Austin Ekeler at the helm, and giving Kelley more carries would easily sure up some of those inconsistencies.

    Outlook


    All in all, the Chargers offense has been very up and down this season. To get out of this slump, the Chargers need to move on from shakey offensive performances against the Jets and the Chiefs. To do so, follow a simple blueprint of better stunt protection, more usage of your yards after catch threats, and lastly, involving Joshua Kelley more in your run game. The Chargers have a big test with the Detroit Lions this coming Sunday, and fans hope to see a more cohesive offensive plan.

    Main Photo: Kevin R. Wexler-USA TODAY NETWORK

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    • Velo
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      Originally posted by nztebolt View Post
      I wrote a few articles discussing the Chargers offense.

      1. The Quick Passing Game And Its Correlation To Success – A Chargers Analysis

      A little preview: "Last Three Games (NYJ, CHI, KC) – Passes Behind The Line of Scrimmage: 16/17 for 129 yards and a touchdown. VS Three Offensive Victories (MIN, LVR, CHI) – Passes Behind The Line of Scrimmage: 28/28 for 174 and a touchdown." Just basically discussing how important throwing the ball short is, and how it has worked for the bolts in the past.


      To analyze how important the short passing game is, different games were studied to show the major difference in the Chargers offense without it.


      2. The Chargers Offense Struggles Against A Strong Defense – Where Can They Improve?

      ​A little preview: " Highly touted for his yards-after-catch ability, Johnston has yet to get really any run as a YAC threat. In the one play where he was targetted on a shallow crosser, he made a few defenders miss and made what could have been a 3-4 yard gain to a 12-yard connection. More manufactured space for the young rookie would a long way in not only his production but the Chargers’ offensive totals in general.​"



      let me know what you guys think!


      Copy And Paste Below

      __________________________________________________ ______________


      ​​​​​​
      To Analyze How Important The Short Passing Game Is, Different Games Were Studied To Show The Major Difference In The Chargers Offense Without It.


      The Los Angeles Chargers have gone down two different offensive philosophies during this season thus far. One of which is explosive play hunting, the other being the utilization of the short passing game. To analyze how important the quick passing game is, different games were tracked and studied to show the major difference in the Chargers offense when using the short passing attack and when they were not. Utilizing the Screen and the Short Passing Game


      The Chargers offense struggling in the quick game was not something that I thought would come up after the Chargers offensive masterpiece this season against the Minnesota Vikings. In that week three game, Herbert had one of his best performances, and this was completely due to the perfectly executed screen game, as well as the quick passing attack drawn up from Offensive Coordinator, Kellen Moore. Herbert went 14/14 for 59 yards on passes behind the line of scrimmage. For passes 10 yards and under, Herbert went 19/24 for 157 yards and two touchdowns.

      That Vikings game showed exactly what a strong short passing game can do for an NFL offense. Granted, the Vikings are a team that is very susceptible to a good short passing game, but even just having a good plan that is executed well is a step forward compared to what the Chargers are doing currently.

      In the last three games, Herbert in the short game has not been the same, which has led to a big part in the offensive regression we have seen develop in the last few weeks.

      So, to compare as evenly as possible, we will take the Charger’s last three victories besides the latest victory against the Jets, comparing these victories to their last three games in general, where they have struggled offensively in all three. This will show the formula: A good short passing game correlates to a better offensive performance and more confidence-inspiring victories. Last Three Games (NYJ, CHI, KC) – Passes Behind The Line of Scrimmage: 16/17 for 129 yards and a touchdown.


      After the Joe Lombardi disaster, the last thing Charger fans would expect to want is more short passes. Unfortunately, Lombardi was right about one thing: throwing the ball short is crucial in today’s NFL, though he forgot in his scheme that a short passing game should only be a singular part of a game plan. Not the entire game plan.

      On paper, the presented stat line looks great, but considering this stat line is across three games, that is a little under six behind-the-line-of-scrimmage passing attempts per game. That is simply not enough to sustain drives in the NFL. A strong screen game is very important, especially when you have very good yards after catching targets like Austin Ekeler, Gerald Everett, and Quentin Johnston. Three Offensive Victories (MIN, LVR, CHI) – Passes Behind The Line of Scrimmage: 28/28 for 174 and a touchdown.


      The ability to sustain drives and run the clock is crucial in winning football games. In the Chargers’ three wins before the Jets, they averaged little over nine passes behind the line of scrimmage, nearly a 33% increase from their last three games average.

      This increase gave the Chargers offense more time of possession and sustainability on offense, using the short passing game as an extension of the run game.

      Note: Both ends of this statistic include the Bears game. Last Three Games (NYJ, CHI, KC) – Passes 10 Yards or Less From The Line of Scrimmage: 33/43 for 255 yards and 2 touchdowns.


      Once again, on paper, this looks acceptable, but in contrast to the other side of the equation, this does not come close. The one victory in the last three games, where the Chargers offense seemed to do okay, was the one game where the short passing game stood out. The Bears game alone accounted for 17 of the 33 total completions, 136 of the 255 yards, and both the touchdowns.

      Against better defenses; the Jets and the Chiefs, the Chargers offense did not even really attempt to get a short passing game going. Only totaled 16 completions, for 119 yards, and no touchdowns. Predictably, the Chargers offensive totals for both of those games were extremely lackluster, and this was majority due to the lack of sustainability you gain from having a quick passing game. Three Offensive Victories (MIN, LVR, CHI) – Passes 10 Yards or Less From The Line of Scrimmage: 41/76 for 326 yards and 5 touchdowns.


      In the three victories against Minnesota, Las Vegas, and Chicago, Kellen Moore called an offense that relied less on explosive play hunting and instead relied upon setting up the deep ball with a barrage of quick concepts.

      Knowing that the offensive line without Corey Linsley has struggled makes staying ahead of a strong pass rush, as well as staying ahead of the chains even more important. To do so, utilizing Keenan Allen’s route-running prowess and Justin Herbert’s quick processor to its full capacity is a great way to minimize weaknesses and maximize strengths. This philosophy has shown up in the win column.

      Note: Both ends of this statistic include the Bears game. Long Story Short


      If the Chargers want to get back on track and stampede their way into the playoffs, they must go back to their first victory over the Vikings and use that game plan as a basis for their next opponents. All in all, The formula is simple. To win football games, you have to utilize the short passing game.

      Main Photo: Kevin R. Wexler-USA TODAY NETWORK

      __________________________________________________ ____________________-
      The Chargers Offense Has Been Inconsistent This Season. The Chargers Need To Find A Way To Move On From Shakey Offensive Performances.

      In week nine, The Los Angeles Chargers faced off against the New York Jets and won handily 27-6. This was to no thanks to the Chargers offense, who put up under 200 total offensive yards. So, what went wrong with this Chargers Offense and where can they improve? Chargers vs Jets Offensive Struggles


      As mentioned before, the Chargers did not even put up 200 yards against the now 4-4 New York Jets. However, this is not a big surprise as the Jets boast one of the best defenses in the entire league, with a dominant defensive line and a very strong secondary. This combined with the Chargers showing some sluggish offensive moments in their last few games before week nine, the Bolts seemed bound to have a bad offensive game.

      Previous to the Jets game, the Chargers had major second-half offensive struggles, putting up only six points second-half points on the weak Bears defense. The trend continues as the Chargers did not even score a single point in the second half against the Chiefs. So, why is this extremely talented Chargers offense struggling to put points up on the board?

      The Chargers have not been the same since Justin Herbert’s finger injury, and whether it is directly correlated or not, it is the mark where the Chargers offense dipped in production. The Chargers also have suffered major attrition on the offensive side of the ball, losing star receiver Mike Williams, the offensive line leader, in center, Corey Linsley, and key playmaker, Joshua Palmer.

      Injuries will hamper any team’s production, but that is not solely the main reason behind the offensive struggles. This lies in personnel choices, offensive playcalling, and the play of certain offensive groups. The Chargers will have to go toe-to-toe with one of the league’s best offenses in the Detroit Lions on Sunday, and to win this game, they need to improve offensively. How Can The Chargers Offense Improve to be Ready to Compete With the Dominant Detroit Lions

      The Blueprint for an Offensive Improvement:

      Better Protection Against Stunts


      All football fans have heard the saying “It all starts up front” when it comes to building a successful team, whether it is offense or defense. The trenches are crucial, and the Chargers offense is lacking good communication amongst this offensive line group. The Chargers desperately miss their Center, Corey Linsley, and his ability to call protections and set up success for the young linemen around him.

      The Chargers have a very young offensive line, and the lack of communication when passing off stunts to each other is apparent. Last year’s sixth-round selection, Jamaree Salyer was a standout tackle in replacement of Rashawn Slater last season and was asked to move to the other side, and inside to right guard. He has not looked the same and has struggled to identify the end man looping back inside to Salyer’s gap. His running mate, right tackle, Trey Pipkins also struggles to pick up and communicate against stunts, which leads to a disastrous right side of the offensive line in terms of pass protection, though both of these linemen are very talented and have shown to play respectable in the past.

      Without communication amongst each other, defenses will continue to get free rushers right into Justin Herbert’s lap unblocked, and the Chargers offense will continue to struggle. Setting up Individual Players for Success


      The Chargers usually do a good job using their offensive playmakers to their strengths. Thus far under Kellen Moore, it seems as though some players get that treatment and others do not. Stars like Keenan Allen and Justin Herbert are able to adjust to any scheme but are being used in a way that suits their skill sets. Herbert gets to use his quick processing in the short game, and his arm strength in the deep passing game. Allen uses his dominant route running in the route combinations given, as well as being placed in varied alignments to catch defenses slipping.

      On the other hand, a few key offensive playmakers have yet to be let off the leash, and truly show what they can do. The first that comes to mind is Chargers first-round selection, Quentin Johnston. Highly touted for his yards-after-catch ability, Johnston has yet to get really any run as a YAC threat. In the one play where he was targetted on a shallow crosser, he made a few defenders miss and made what could have been a 3-4 yard gain to a 12-yard connection. More manufactured space for the young rookie would a long way in not only his production but the Chargers’ offensive totals in general.

      Another pass catcher with YAC ability is starting tight end, Gerald Everett. The former Seahawk has shown to be a very hard player to tackle and always fights his hardest after a reception. Everett currently ranks T-8th amongst tight ends for yards after catch per reception. Everett also is first amongst all tight ends in missed tackles forced.

      The Chargers simply need to get the ball to Everett more, as being ranked 29th in tight-end targets is simply unacceptable, when you have a playmaker like #7. Involve Joshua Kelley More


      The last key to improvement for this Chargers offense is the most simple. The Bolts need to simply involve second-string running back, Joshua Kelley more. Kelley has been the best pure rusher on the team thus far, and it is not even close. The former UCLA product currently ranks 13th in yards after contact per attempt, 14th in yards per attempt, and fifth in explosive run rate. The Chargers run game has been pretty hit or miss with Austin Ekeler at the helm, and giving Kelley more carries would easily sure up some of those inconsistencies.

      Outlook


      All in all, the Chargers offense has been very up and down this season. To get out of this slump, the Chargers need to move on from shakey offensive performances against the Jets and the Chiefs. To do so, follow a simple blueprint of better stunt protection, more usage of your yards after catch threats, and lastly, involving Joshua Kelley more in your run game. The Chargers have a big test with the Detroit Lions this coming Sunday, and fans hope to see a more cohesive offensive plan.

      Main Photo: Kevin R. Wexler-USA TODAY NETWORK

      A very good read. Thank you.

      Most of us hate to see Herbert become a QB who throws horizontally rather than vertically. We think of him as a downfield deep ball thrower. But Moore has to design schemes to fit reality, these realities being flux at WR and Herbert's unfamiliarity with the new talent. A struggling OL. Herbert's injured finger.

      Nice job of explaining the OL's struggles. Communication has broken down with Linsley out. The talent is there. They have to learn to play together as a unit.

      I've been up and down on Joshua Kelley. But I've seen enough to have confidence in his abilities if the hole is there. He has turned into a more physical runner than when he was a rookie. He's noticeably larger, especially in the thighs. He is faster than anyone thought. The times he has broken to the third level DBs can't catch him. I'd like to see him get more carries as well, and for the OL to open some holes for him.

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      • HerbieParadigm
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        #4
        Help must begin with the decision makers acknowledging realities to then address/harness them for the singular goal to WIN the football game. So, realities I see:
        • Chargers O-line struggles to open holes.
        • Chargers O is unable to run the all for > 4 ypc.
        • Chargers O play calling of “establish the run” w/Eckler up the middle on 1st down is a failure.
        • Chargers O is forcing Herbert to play from the pocket. Moore fails to understand Herbert’s portfolio of abilities including putting him in motion (rollouts, bootlegs, moving the pocket) which can offset struggling O-line protection.
        • Chargers D is unable to stop competent offenses, expect them to yield > 28 ppg.
        Begin with the end in mind, whereby to win the game the above realities must be articulated by HC Staley to DC Staley, OC Moore, & QB Herbert as “Herbert Go Win the Shoot-out”. Embrace simplicity to focus on what matters most:
        • No running up the middle on 1st down
        • @ 65 O plays per game, no more than 20 running plays (includes 3-5 intentional Herbert runs, > 45 passes/game.
        • Emphasize up tempo, no huddle, empty backfield. (Watch Big Ben 5-10 years ago)
        • Herbert on the Move – rollouts, bootlegs, & move the pocket.
        Chargers ownership & Telesco understand THE Reality to Win and gave Herbert a big ass bag of cash. Over-utilize him. Lastly, when the runner initiates contact, they deliver the blow as in the flow of energy. Herbert running in the open field is safer than Moore forcing to be a statue in the pocket. Herbert must stop being dutiful and call his own number!!

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          Offense??
          G-Ro knows.

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            #6
            Good take, but the problem is on defense and the idiot that runs it.

            If we actually play defense we are 7-2 now. Time to fire Staley, Charger fans have had enough.

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            • Kellyb72601
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              #7
              Originally posted by HerbieParadigm View Post
              Help must begin with the decision makers acknowledging realities to then address/harness them for the singular goal to WIN the football game. So, realities I see:
              • Chargers O-line struggles to open holes.
              • Chargers O is unable to run the all for > 4 ypc.
              • Chargers O play calling of “establish the run” w/Eckler up the middle on 1st down is a failure.
              • Chargers O is forcing Herbert to play from the pocket. Moore fails to understand Herbert’s portfolio of abilities including putting him in motion (rollouts, bootlegs, moving the pocket) which can offset struggling O-line protection.
              • Chargers D is unable to stop competent offenses, expect them to yield > 28 ppg.
              Begin with the end in mind, whereby to win the game the above realities must be articulated by HC Staley to DC Staley, OC Moore, & QB Herbert as “Herbert Go Win the Shoot-out”. Embrace simplicity to focus on what matters most:
              • No running up the middle on 1st down
              • @ 65 O plays per game, no more than 20 running plays (includes 3-5 intentional Herbert runs, > 45 passes/game.
              • Emphasize up tempo, no huddle, empty backfield. (Watch Big Ben 5-10 years ago)
              • Herbert on the Move – rollouts, bootlegs, & move the pocket.
              Chargers ownership & Telesco understand THE Reality to Win and gave Herbert a big ass bag of cash. Over-utilize him. Lastly, when the runner initiates contact, they deliver the blow as in the flow of energy. Herbert running in the open field is safer than Moore forcing to be a statue in the pocket. Herbert must stop being dutiful and call his own number!!
              Finally someone gets it. I've been saying since preseason Kellen Moore would run us right out of playoff contention. Any runs are just a waste of a down with this football team.

              I agree with every single one of your points.

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                #8
                I read this YEARS ago via Warren Sharp.
                That was several paradigms ago.
                Today, I remain tepid on the concepts involved here.
                What is missing,
                amongst other important considerations,
                is how different play combinations,
                and diverse play sequences,
                set up success.
                Meanwhile, the Chargers just scored o' plenty vs DET.
                Well, I can be overly simplistic too.
                It's ALL Clapp vs Linsley and no In-Line TE.
                Bye.
                We do not play modern football.

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                • HerbieParadigm
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                  #9
                  The thread OP is about help for the O, not excuses for not having a proper center & TE. Not to mention setting up the excuse for next week with it being unfair the Ravens have more time to heal/prepare. How is sophisticated play calling and a soft ass D working out? I understand the implications of complimentary football when a soft playing D get punched in the mouth repeatedly. Instead of the O chasing & reacting and losing, I want to see Herbert force other teams to chase.

                  More help for the O from the D? Sure I have suggestions not excuses:
                  • Stop playing Derwin exclusively like Troy and have him more in centerfield like Ed Reed. When he is around the LOS, let him thump the TE or WR.
                  • Fuck 8-10 yard cushions and play lots more contact press coverage. Do something to disrupt a competent QBs timing.
                  • Murray & Kendricks are straight line thumpers, so thump. Stop forcing them to make side-to-side plays. You tell me how to scheme/play call to compensate?
                  • Have Bosa/Mack/Tuli running stunts and playing together most of the game.
                  I do not possess an MIT PhD in NFL Football like most forumites here. I simply use the eye test and others teams are taking it to the Chargers. Rather than make excuses for the Ravens, HC Staley needs to tell Moore & Herbert to develop a gameplan to score > 38-41 points. That means Herbert comes out no huddle slinging it. No predictably plodding Eckler up the middle behind Clapp. Situational football matters, the attitude of the Q matters most. You attack with Herbert on 1st down and by all means use Eckler, as a receiver. Sure Moore can call his Eckler up the middle on 2nd and short, then Herbert can convert on 3rd and short.

                  The OP asked for suggestions, not excuses and flowery concepts about what could be. Contribute with specifics.

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                  • northerner
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by HerbieParadigm View Post
                    Help must begin with the decision makers acknowledging realities to then address/harness them for the singular goal to WIN the football game. So, realities I see:
                    • Chargers O-line struggles to open holes.
                    • Chargers O is unable to run the all for > 4 ypc.
                    • Chargers O play calling of “establish the run” w/Eckler up the middle on 1st down is a failure.
                    • Chargers O is forcing Herbert to play from the pocket. Moore fails to understand Herbert’s portfolio of abilities including putting him in motion (rollouts, bootlegs, moving the pocket) which can offset struggling O-line protection.
                    • Chargers D is unable to stop competent offenses, expect them to yield > 28 ppg.
                    Begin with the end in mind, whereby to win the game the above realities must be articulated by HC Staley to DC Staley, OC Moore, & QB Herbert as “Herbert Go Win the Shoot-out”. Embrace simplicity to focus on what matters most:
                    • No running up the middle on 1st down
                    • @ 65 O plays per game, no more than 20 running plays (includes 3-5 intentional Herbert runs, > 45 passes/game.
                    • Emphasize up tempo, no huddle, empty backfield. (Watch Big Ben 5-10 years ago)
                    • Herbert on the Move – rollouts, bootlegs, & move the pocket.
                    Chargers ownership & Telesco understand THE Reality to Win and gave Herbert a big ass bag of cash. Over-utilize him. Lastly, when the runner initiates contact, they deliver the blow as in the flow of energy. Herbert running in the open field is safer than Moore forcing to be a statue in the pocket. Herbert must stop being dutiful and call his own number!!
                    yes. all of this. when Eckler was hurt for a few games, there were a lot of short swing passes to the RB that were basically running plays, without the need to create a hole between the tackles (which we struggle with) - I thought it worked great. the Chargers need to hire you....

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                    • C'monchargers
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                      #11
                      Want to followup with the Time of Possession topic and find this one to be the most appropriate thread. Its an aged old conversation and this one is not going to take long.

                      Speaking of time of possession, that last game against the Lions, one can say whatever it is about the defense; the truth is the lions defense got shreaded almost just as much. Interestingly the time of possession for the Lions is 30:34 vs Chargers 29:26, 1 minute and 8 seconds and we lost by 1 drive and 3 points.

                      Here is a the rankings for this years time of possession to date (excluding OT)



                      Take the top half and bottom half and decide which company you rather be in. Except for the deviant of Pitts, who has a defense that has league top 4 red zone defense and allowed only 16.67% opponent red zone scoring percentage last 3 games and 40% on the season, which imo is unsustainable and a little fugazi. Of those team up top, most if not all are consider playoff teams.

                      Imo, as the league move toward a more pass friendly league, the time of possession becomes a much more consistant statistic to determine how well a team is doing since the clock is stop much more frequently when a play is stop. Teams most often these days structure more of their game plan around passing which consequentially stops the game clock way more often. In that token, each play vs "damage" to game clock is at its all time low, thus making play vs time of possession more true since not a lot of time is just running off and not equating into scoring opportiunity.

                      One case study is the 2019-2020 superbowl winning season of the chiefs, the year Mahommes won his first ring.



                      At first glance it doesn't appear anything spectacular about the time of possession, they were more or less a little below average at 19th place overall. But if one dig deeper, there is something very interesting about the time of possession that season for them. They were ranked dead last at home in time of possession but top 3 in time of possession on the road. What it tells you is at home they are going to give Mahommes the key to the city and let him rip. He was more or less an unknown that year with only very little tape to study, along with the fact that he can play makes it a favorable game plan to let him do his thing. When they are against the element on the road, they made sure to limit the other team's time of possession to as little as possible. The other team can be hot and ready to score but if you don't have the ball, your chances of scoring is close to zero.
                      Last edited by C'monchargers; 11-17-2023, 09:22 PM.

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                      • Maniaque 6
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by FoutsFan View Post
                        Good take, but the problem is on defense and the idiot that runs it.

                        If we actually play defense we are 7-2 now. Time to fire Staley, Charger fans have had enough.
                        If we play defense soon, we could make playoff. Forget about firing Staley !

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