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  • Bolt4Knob
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    Originally posted by Fouts2herbert View Post

    it's also great for another significant reason, some of the guys that everyone has been talking about as necessary cuts? well, there trade value just went up, now that teams have more room to make moves there will be a bigger market for those guys...
    Fair point. The Dolphins made two cuts today: Howard and Ogbah - so teams are still making moves

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    • Fouts2herbert
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      this is great news for a lot of teams around the NFL and of course for the players themselves, the guys hitting FA this season will become the envy of the guys that hit it last year...

      As far as how all this affects the chargers? it takes a bit of pressure off in the coming days from making any "panic" type moves...right now with a classic restructure of two guys (Derwin and Herbert) plus cutting Kendricks will get the chargers to within 2.7mil from being compliant...from there you can do a modest extension for KA and create a big chunk of anywhere between 11-16 mil in cap space depending on how long they extend KA for...

      after that they can continue to create cap space by dealing with Mack, Bosa, and MWs any which way they want, trade, cut, extend, whatever, they can do a bunch of shit and the cap is projected to go up another 30 plus mil next season...plus keep in mind that the 25 mil in dead cap that the chargers are carrying right now comes off the books in 2025...
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      • Formula 21
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        And that $14 million extra cap space is this year and next year and every year after. We are aging our way out of cap trouble. Restructure the old guys as you’re training the young guys.

        Just move on, there’s nothing to see here.

        We are going to be highly competitive this year.
        Last edited by Formula 21; 02-23-2024, 02:10 PM.
        Now, if you excuse me, I have some Charger memories to suppress.
        The Wasted Decade is done.
        Build Back Better.

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        • jox g
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          Originally posted by Fouts2herbert View Post

          I think he's factoring in other operating expenses post linsley deal...
          https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/los-angeles-chargers/cap/ Says Bolts are -20.8 Million right now!

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          • Bolt4Knob
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            Originally posted by jox g View Post

            https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/los-angeles-chargers/cap/ Says Bolts are -20.8 Million right now!
            He was factoring the draft class and 53 player roster. Roster is at 49 players so 53 would cost 3m more

            The draft class will cost an additional 7+m

            So though OTC shows the figure at 22, Popper is adding another $10 so eventually the Chargers will need a minimum of $32m in cap space --

            Popper is NOT including the practice squad or in season fund

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            • Bolt4Knob
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              Originally posted by Fouts2herbert View Post
              this is great news for a lot of teams around the NFL and of course for the players themselves, the guys hitting FA this season will become the envy of the guys that hit it last year...

              As far as how all this affects the chargers? it takes a bit of pressure off in the coming days from making any "panic" type moves...right now with a classic restructure of two guys (Derwin and Herbert) plus cutting Kendricks will get the chargers to within 2.7mil from being compliant...from there you can do a modest extension for KA and create a big chunk of anywhere between 11-16 mil in cap space depending on how long they extend KA for...

              after that they can continue to create cap space by dealing with Mack, Bosa, and MWs any which way they want, trade, cut, extend, whatever, they can do a bunch of shit and the cap is projected to go up another 30 plus mil next season...plus keep in mind that the 25 mil in dead cap that the chargers are carrying right now comes off the books in 2025...

              They need 22.5m of space as of today
              kendricks 6m
              Allen can easily be 16m
              and release Parham
              and you are 22.5m and do not need to touch Herbert or Derwin

              Second, in bold, as long as it happens by the third day of the league year -- they do not have all offseason unless they want to pay out bonuses
              and they will have a very good idea if there is even trade value for any of the players you mention with the combine nexgt week end

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              • dmac_bolt
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                Originally posted by Bolt4Knob View Post

                He was factoring the draft class and 53 player roster. Roster is at 49 players so 53 would cost 3m more

                The draft class will cost an additional 7+m

                So though OTC shows the figure at 22, Popper is adding another $10 so eventually the Chargers will need a minimum of $32m in cap space --

                Popper is NOT including the practice squad or in season fund
                Does practice squad count against team cap?
                “Less is more? NO NO NO - MORE is MORE!”

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                • Fouts2herbert
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                  Originally posted by Bolt4Knob View Post


                  They need 22.5m of space as of today
                  kendricks 6m
                  Allen can easily be 16m
                  and release Parham
                  and you are 22.5m and do not need to touch Herbert or Derwin

                  Second, in bold, as long as it happens by the third day of the league year -- they do not have all offseason unless they want to pay out bonuses
                  and they will have a very good idea if there is even trade value for any of the players you mention with the combine nexgt week end
                  why wouldn't you restructure Herbert and Derwin? this is expected of big contract guys that the team still wants longterm, everyone does this, Patrick mahomes gets restructured every year in KC, why would Herbert be any different and the players like doing it because they get money up front...a simple restructure of both guys opens up like 13mil in cap space...honestly I can't imagine the team not doing it especially now with the new revenue figures coming in, the cap will once again go up like 30 mil again next year, we could see our first 60-65mil per year QB in the next 12 months...
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                  • Bolt4Knob
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                    Originally posted by dmac_bolt View Post

                    Does practice squad count against team cap?
                    Yes. And with 16 players - can be 2.5m to 3m

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                    • Formula 21
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                      Originally posted by dmac_bolt View Post

                      Does practice squad count against team cap?
                      IIRC, no. Only top 49 or so contracts.
                      Now, if you excuse me, I have some Charger memories to suppress.
                      The Wasted Decade is done.
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                      • Fouts2herbert
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                        Originally posted by dmac_bolt View Post

                        Does practice squad count against team cap?
                        cmplxgal usually knows all this stuff...but my understanding was that only the top 51 players on the roster in terms of money count against the cap...not sure where this practice squad shit is coming from, the in season money is a real thing because it gives flexibility picking up street FAs if needed to fill in for injured guys and such, but as for the PS, I'm pretty sure that shit just comes out of the owners pocket and not part of the cap?
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                        • Bolt4Knob
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                          Originally posted by Fouts2herbert View Post

                          why wouldn't you restructure Herbert and Derwin? this is expected of big contract guys that the team still wants longterm, everyone does this, Patrick mahomes gets restructured every year in KC, why would Herbert be any different and the players like doing it because they get money up front...a simple restructure of both guys opens up like 13mil in cap space...honestly I can't imagine the team not doing it especially now with the new revenue figures coming in, the cap will once again go up like 30 mil again next year, we could see our first 60-65mil per year QB in the next 12 months...
                          I do not think they need to get money from Derwin or Herbert. The Chargers can get cap compliant with extending Allen and releasing Kendricks - at this point would be $983k under the cap. So priority 1 - checked off.
                          At that point - they can operate the league year:

                          Priority #2: What do with Mack, Bosa and MW. If they release MW and June 1, Bosa, they are now $43m under the cap without touching Mack, Herbert or James.

                          43m under would leave about $25m in free agency without pushing anymore money to the future

                          IF, you still need money, you can always circle back to James and Herbert but I am not sure the chargers will be big players in free agency. Too many holes to fill

                          As I said earlier - if I am keeping both Mack and Allen, with the new money, I am only extending Allen, letting Mack play out his contract.

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