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[CanadianBoltFan]

I don’t think they gave Gilman a new contract just to take his starting job away immediately. It’ll probably be someone with a smaller profile. Though there’s a chance they’ll be happy with Wood/Finley/Dent as depth.

I know You are probably right. I don't see us signing Simmons but i would like some sort of veteran safety on a one year deal. The trio you mention inspires no confidence if there is an injury. I am kinda done with no competent depth when the Chargers get injuries to starters. Too many years of it.

Speaking of veteran safeties, 49ers interested in Jamal Adams

[Bolt4Knob]

I know You are probably right. I don't see us signing Simmons but i would like some sort of veteran safety on a one year deal. The trio you mention inspires no confidence if there is an injury. I am kinda done with no competent depth when the Chargers get injuries to starters. Too many years of it.

for the record, I just sent a tweet to Daniel Salib - who is very good with his "cap estimates". He had the list before free agency and what they actually signed for and he was spot on for many players

He thinks right now, $5-6m base with incentives up to $8m plus would be fair at this time. One year dea

Now, maybe the Chargers are keeping Pipkins, which is fine - but if you trade Pipkins, Simmons easily could take that slot in terms of money on the payroll

[beachcomber]

if we're gonna add a CB, will cast a vote for Ahkello Witherspoon, and.... doubtful Ja'Sir starts in front of Tarheeb ??

[ChargersPowderBlue]

Aside from the fact that Derwin really wasnt very good last year, he is not being named an all pro each year. Derwin made one pro bowl I believe 2 years ago other than his rookie season. Derwin has ability and hopefully he rocks under Minter, but the last few years he falls under the category of over rated players based on actual on field performance.

Does he need to be an all pro or make a pro bowl every year to be considered good? Compared to the previous 2 years before 2023, it's a step down. Yeah he didn't look good sometimes. Either he wasn't very good or he was forced to do a lot to pick up the slack by others. A lot of other guys' on the defense on-field performance wasn't good themselves either. He still made good plays for the team in games. And the refs liking to throw flags at him every now and again messes with him too.

I know You are probably right. I don't see us signing Simmons but i would like some sort of veteran safety on a one year deal. The trio you mention inspires no confidence if there is an injury. I am kinda done with no competent depth when the Chargers get injuries to starters. Too many years of it.

Speaking of veteran safeties, 49ers interested in Jamal Adams

Any team will be screwed if their starters go down to injury. As long as the starters are healthy and can play, the backups don't need to be thought about. Aside from injuries, depth isn't as big of deal on some positions like others. Those backup safeties will not take meaningful snaps over the starters.

Ben Herbert was brought in. Whether he can do the same things he's done in his previous stops or not remains to be seen.

[CanadianBoltFan]

Does he need to be an all pro or make a pro bowl every year to be considered good? Compared to the previous 2 years before 2023, it's a step down. Yeah he didn't look good sometimes. Either he wasn't very good or he was forced to do a lot to pick up the slack by others. A lot of other guys' on the defense on-field performance wasn't good themselves either. He still made good plays for the team in games. And the refs liking to throw flags at him every now and again messes with him too.



Any team will be screwed if their starters go down to injury. As long as the starters are healthy and can play, the backups don't need to be thought about. Aside from injuries, depth isn't as big of deal on some positions like others. Those backup safeties will not take meaningful snaps over the starters.

Ben Herbert was brought in. Whether he can do the same things he's done in his previous stops or not remains to be seen.

Tom Telesco is that you?

[northerner]

Tom Telesco is that you?

yes, miss me?

[Xenos]

I know You are probably right. I don't see us signing Simmons but i would like some sort of veteran safety on a one year deal. The trio you mention inspires no confidence if there is an injury. I am kinda done with no competent depth when the Chargers get injuries to starters. Too many years of it.

Speaking of veteran safeties, 49ers interested in Jamal Adams

Yeah I get the concern. That’s why drafting is important because you want an Alohi Gilman to step up when a Derwin James has an injury. Also because they’re relatively cheap so you don’t have money sitting on the bench like you would with a Justin Simmons. The other option is a cheap FA like Adrian Phillips.

[CanadianBoltFan]

Yeah I get the concern. That’s why drafting is important because you want an Alohi Gilman to step up when a Derwin James has an injury. Also because they’re relatively cheap so you don’t have money sitting on the bench like you would with a Justin Simmons. The other option is a cheap FA like Adrian Phillips.

I totally agree with the drafting depth plan you mention and that is exactly what our new brain trust will do, but it is very early in that cycle with only one draft just completed. It takes more than one draft to build that, so another solid one year free agent signing like they have been doing for safety depth would be a good stop gap.

[dmac_bolt]

Sorry I haven't been posting for a while, but here's something: The Chargers have really turned over their roster. Of 87 currently rostered players, 40 are new (indicated by brackets in the following list--FA, UDFA, or Drafted).

Of their 27 free agents from last season's team, they only re-signed four: Gilman, Stick, Dicker and Sarell. Nine signed with other teams, and 14 remain unsigned, including Jalen Guyton and Joshua Kelley.

The breakdown between starters and reserves is taken from Popper's preliminary depth chart in The Athletic.

WR, CB, and safety depth are still lacking, in my view.

The 47 holdovers come from a group of 80 possible holdovers, consisting of 53 players on the main roster at the end of last season, 11 on IR, one (Linsley) on Reserve/non-football illness, and 15 on the practice squad.

The players not brought back consist of the 23 free agents the Chargers didn't re-sign, four released players (Mike Williams, Eric Kentricks, T Andrew Trainer and CB Amechi Uzodinma), Keenan Allen who was traded, and five players not brought back from the practice squad as it was at the end of the season (OL Austen Pleasants, WR Terrell Bynum, TE Hunter Kampmoyer, TE Stephen Anderson, DL Christian Covington). That's a total of 33.

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87 players under contract


47 holdovers from last season

40 new players



Offense (43):


Quarterback (4)

Starter: Justin Herbert

Reserves: Easton Stick, Max Duggan, Casey Bauman [UDFA]



Running back (6)

Starter: Gus Edwards [FA]

Reserves: Isaiah Spiller, Elijah Dotson, J.K. Dobbins [FA], Kimani Vidal [D-6], Jaret Patterson [FA]



Fullback (1)

FB/TE Ben Mason [FA]



Receiver (10)

Starters: Joshua Palmer, Quentin Johnston, Ladd McConkey [D-2]

Reserves: Derius Davis, Simi Fehoko, Brenden Rice [D-7A], Cornelius Johnson [D-7B], Jaelen Gill [UDFA], Leon Johnson III [UDFA], Jaylen Johnson [UDFA]



Tight end (6)

Starter: Will Dissly [FA]

Reserves: Donald Parham Jr., Stone Smartt, Hayden Hurst [FA], Zach Heins [UDFA], Luke Benson [UDFA]



Offensive line (16)

Starters: LT Rashawn Slater, LG Zion Johnson, C Bradley Bozeman [FA], RG Jamaree Salyer, RT Joe Alt [D-1]

Reserves: T Trey Pipkins III, T Foster Sarell, G/C Brenden Jaimes, G/C Jordan McFadden, C Brent Laing, T Tyler McLellan [UDFA], G Willis Patrick [UDFA], T Tyler Smith [UDFA], C/G Bucky Williams [UDFA], G Karsen Barnhart [UDFA], [C Corey Linsley retiring]




Defense (41):


Defensive line (9)

Starters: Morgan Fox, Otito Ogbonnia, Poona Ford [FA]

Reserves: Scott Matlock, Christopher Hinton, Jerrod Clark, CJ Okoye, Justin Eboigbe [D-4], Michael Mason [UDFA]



Edge rusher (9)

Starters: Khalil Mack, Joey Bosa

Reserves: Tuli Tuipulotu, Chris Rumph II, Ty Shelby, Brevin Allen, Andrew Farmer II, Tre'Mon Morris-Brash [UDFA], Savion Jackson [UDFA]




Linebacker (6)

Starters: Denzel Perryman [FA], Junior Colson [D-3]

Reserves: Daiyan Henley, Nick Niemann, Troy Dye [FA], Jeremiah Jean-Baptiste [UDFA]




Cornerback (10)

Starters: Asante Samuel Jr., Kristian Fulton [FA], Ja'Sir Taylor

Reserves: Deane Leonard, Chris Wilcox, Matt Hankins, Tarheeb Still [D-5A], Cam Hart [D-5B], Zamari Walton [UDFA], Robert Kennedy [UDFA]



Safety (7)

Starters: Derwin James Jr., Alohi Gilman

Reserves: JT Woods, AJ Finley, Akeem Dent [UDFA], Thomas Harper [UDFA], Jalyn Phillips [UDFA]



Specialists (3):

K Cameron Dicker

P JK Scott

LS Josh Harris

interesting data, I wonder what the typical turnover count is when counting every PS player, IR player, FA's that are let to walk, etc.?

This time of year is always at the max "turnover ratio" with all of the new draft picks + UDFAs just signed, we added what, ~32 in the last week? That "new" count will narrow thru the preseason. It will be interesting how few 2023 PS players are on the practice squad this year. I confess I didn't see much to get excited bout there, wouldn't be shocked by a larger than usual turnover if not complete overhaul of the PS.

[Topcat]

I mention Simmons for two reasons
1) there is lack of depth at Safety
2) in looking at lists of free agents, he is one of the two or three best players on most lists I have seen

I have always wondered how he would fit with James and gilman but aside from that - he is a good player

As for the contract -- it wouldn't be anything at this point of more than one year - -maybe a void year added = but something like one year, up to $6-7m

^ This...we have a huge hole at FREE SAFETY...unless you all are good to roll with JT (Launchwhiffy Jr.) Woods...I have heard that the Bolts may try Hart out at FS, but who knows? I'd rather sign a vet FA if possible. If we can sign Simmons to a one-year deal at $6 mil with some incentives, if we have room, I would do that deal...remember, Derwin and Gilman are mainly STRONG safeties, though Derwin can play FS, and has done so at times...if we go with single high, Simmons would be the man...if we go with split deep safeties, imagine Derwin and Simmons...now THAT'S the DREAM TEAM at defensive back...

[Topcat]

Receiver (10)

Starters: Joshua Palmer, Quentin Johnston, Ladd McConkey [D-2]

Reserves: Derius Davis, Simi Fehoko, Brenden Rice [D-7A], Cornelius Johnson [D-7B], Jaelen Gill [UDFA], Leon Johnson III [UDFA], Jaylen Johnson [UDFA]

Wow, that's a whole lot of Johnsons at wideout...

[dmac_bolt]

for the record, I just sent a tweet to Daniel Salib - who is very good with his "cap estimates". He had the list before free agency and what they actually signed for and he was spot on for many players

He thinks right now, $5-6m base with incentives up to $8m plus would be fair at this time. One year dea

Now, maybe the Chargers are keeping Pipkins, which is fine - but if you trade Pipkins, Simmons easily could take that slot in terms of money on the payroll

I'd rather they just keep Pipkins as Swing OT #1, he is better than Sarrell by a mile. Unless they are moving Salyer off of OG, that is. I'm ok trading Pipkins but it has to be for something of value. He is a (average) starting offensive tackle in the NFL, that ain't nothing.