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[Topcat]

Hortiz released Mike W. outright with no compensation involved. I'll credit him for the cap management angle, but what more is there?

I credit him more for the cap management angle of trading Keenan to the Bears, than for the Day 3 pick it brought the Chargers. A 4th rounder. This is not trading brilliance.

Hortiz has come in and established a new foundation. But trades have been one of the smaller parts of that. Hanging on to picks has been a more important part.

Trader Joe was under the gun to get us under the cap after TT dug us a deep hole into Cap Hell...he made Slayer an offer, Keenan and his agent declined, so he got traded...I'm sure that 4th rounder was the best deal Trader Joe could get...so he ahem, TRADED him...

[Ghost of Quacksaw]

Trader Joe was under the gun to get us under the cap after TT dug us a deep hole into Cap Hell...he made Slayer an offer, Keenan and his agent declined, so he got traded...I'm sure that 4th rounder was the best deal Trader Joe could get...so he ahem, TRADED him...

Daniel Popper says you're wrong. He reported that Hortiz got a better offer from the Texans but preferred to deal Keenan to Chicago. Not sure why. NFC vs. AFC maybe. And Hortiz didn't trade Keenan because he's such a 'big trader'-- he traded Keenan because he was out of options. It was that, or release him outright. For NOTHING. Was it the correct move? Yes! Would ewe or eye have made the same move? YES! It doesn't set Hortiz apart as a shrewd trader-- it's just an indication that he's not a total moron. Which we already knew. But you want to throw him a parade anyway. Not that there's anything wrong with your liking parades....

Do you remember the part about Non-Trader Joe hanging on to the #5 pick? Instead of, you know... TRADING it? So when it came to something big and important-- a Top 5 pick-- Joe Hortiz betrayed you! He had the audacity to NOT make a trade, fully aware of how much it would upset you and fracture the construct of your world! Fully cognizant that it would undermine your credibility as primary advocate for calling him 'Trader'!

You feel spurned, I get it. Ashamed and used. Wadded up and tossed out like yesterday's fish sandwich! But you STILL have Joe's back, and you're willing to forgive him, and... isn't *that* what love is really about? So look... you have your less-than-fact-based Hacksaw Crush on Joe Hortiz and I don't want to spoil that. It's just that... You post such goofy and irrational stuff when you're crushing! But because it's a hormone-driven delusional state, I'll try to cut you some slack, moving forward.

[dmac_bolt]

Beathard in 1999 traded a 2000 5th to Baltimore for Jim Harbaugh. To become a conditional 4th if Jim plays 50% of snaps and we win 9 or more games.

Jim threw over 50% but we went 8-8.
Bobby Beathard (SDC GM 1990-2000) was a wheeler dealer and took us to our only SB. Even if some of his trades were pretty whacky. Not all though, he was fearless.

BB did as much damage to the team as any GM in its history imo. Fearless became desperate … he flailed and dug a very deep hole and drove Bobby Ross out because Boss Ross called him on it.

[dmac_bolt]

Daniel Popper says you're wrong. He reported that Hortiz got a better offer from the Texans but preferred to deal Keenan to Chicago. Not sure why. NFC vs. AFC maybe. And Hortiz didn't trade Keenan because he's such a 'big trader'-- he traded Keenan because he was out of options. It was that, or release him outright. For NOTHING. Was it the correct move? Yes! Would ewe or eye have made the same move? YES! It doesn't set Hortiz apart as a shrewd trader-- it's just an indication that he's not a total moron. Which we already knew. But you want to throw him a parade anyway. Not that there's anything wrong with your liking parades....

Do you remember the part about Non-Trader Joe hanging on to the #5 pick? Instead of, you know... TRADING it? So when it came to something big and important-- a Top 5 pick-- Joe Hortiz betrayed you! He had the audacity to NOT make a trade, fully aware of how much it would upset you and fracture the construct of your world! Fully cognizant that it would undermine your credibility as primary advocate for calling him 'Trader'!

You feel spurned, I get it. Ashamed and used. Wadded up and tossed out like yesterday's fish sandwich! But you STILL have Joe's back, and you're willing to forgive him, and... isn't *that* what love is really about? So look... you have your less-than-fact-based Hacksaw Crush on Joe Hortiz and I don't want to spoil that. It's just that... You post such goofy and irrational stuff when you're crushing! But because it's a hormone-driven delusional state, I'll try to cut you some slack, moving forward.

What was this better offer? I never heard about that, I musta been napping. Linky?

the TJ = BIG HUGE DEALS is missing the point of TJ. Any dumb ass GM can do big trades, they all do. TJ was the master of the small ball, the under the radar shit only the most savvy TPBers noticed and nobody outside did. TJ signed and added roster fillers that don’t count for comp formula, while dropping guys that get him comp credits. That was the small ball minutia that TT ignored or didn’t know how to optimize. TT just tossed big contracts which created past due bills. Meanwhile TJ is stacking up his chips tomorrow for free …

[Bolt4Knob]

What was this better offer? I never heard about that, I musta been napping. Linky?

the TJ = BIG HUGE DEALS is missing the point of TJ. Any dumb ass GM can do big trades, they all do. TJ was the master of the small ball, the under the radar shit only the most savvy TPBers noticed and nobody outside did. TJ signed and added roster fillers that don’t count for comp formula, while dropping guys that get him comp credits. That was the small ball minutia that TT ignored or didn’t know how to optimize. TT just tossed big contracts which created past due bills. Meanwhile TJ is stacking up his chips tomorrow for free …

DMAC -- as I recall the Houston offer was for a 3rd round pick in 2025. Plus I think a pick swap was involved too. So, if truly the two offers were the Bears 4th round pick (which was at the top of the 4th round) or the Houston tbd 3rd round pick in 2025 - Hortiz made the right trade. Houston should be pretty good so their 3rd rounder could easily be in the last third of Round 3. And since future picks lose basically a round of value, that would equate to a later 4th round pick in 2024

I doubt Hortiz would have turned down a 3rd round pick from the Texans even if it meant swapping picks in say Round 5, or even Round 4 for Allen in the 2024 draft.

[Topcat]

Daniel Popper says you're wrong. He reported that Hortiz got a better offer from the Texans but preferred to deal Keenan to Chicago. Not sure why. NFC vs. AFC maybe. And Hortiz didn't trade Keenan because he's such a 'big trader'-- he traded Keenan because he was out of options. It was that, or release him outright. For NOTHING. Was it the correct move? Yes! Would ewe or eye have made the same move? YES! It doesn't set Hortiz apart as a shrewd trader-- it's just an indication that he's not a total moron. Which we already knew. But you want to throw him a parade anyway. Not that there's anything wrong with your liking parades....

Do you remember the part about Non-Trader Joe hanging on to the #5 pick? Instead of, you know... TRADING it? So when it came to something big and important-- a Top 5 pick-- Joe Hortiz betrayed you! He had the audacity to NOT make a trade, fully aware of how much it would upset you and fracture the construct of your world! Fully cognizant that it would undermine your credibility as primary advocate for calling him 'Trader'!

You feel spurned, I get it. Ashamed and used. Wadded up and tossed out like yesterday's fish sandwich! But you STILL have Joe's back, and you're willing to forgive him, and... isn't *that* what love is really about? So look... you have your less-than-fact-based Hacksaw Crush on Joe Hortiz and I don't want to spoil that. It's just that... You post such goofy and irrational stuff when you're crushing! But because it's a hormone-driven delusional state, I'll try to cut you some slack, moving forward.

I was one of those who was in favor of trading down from #5 to somewhere between #8-#12 for an extra pick in the late first round...BUT...apparently Trader Joe and Harbo & staff felt that Alt was so much more superior to some of the other offensive tackles that would probably be there between #8-#12...Alt graded out as the best OVERALL OT in both run blocking and pass pro...all the others were a step below Alt at least in pass pro...since pass pro is so key in keeping Herbie healthy, I'm thinking this was a big consideration...and Alt can still run-block well...so even though a lot of us wanted a trade-down, Trader Joe chose in this case NOT to trade down and take the blue-chipper...
(But remember, he STILL made those TWO other trades...)

[FoutsFan]

BB did as much damage to the team as any GM in its history imo. Fearless became desperate … he flailed and dug a very deep hole and drove Bobby Ross out because Boss Ross called him on it.

BB early on hit a couple of home runs with small school picks that were unknown (his Redskin days) he tried that with the Chargers and after the SB, as you say he got really desperate and started trading away next years 1st or 2nd for a pick this year to select Joey Bag of Doughnuts from Cajun Community College thinking he was going to hit another home run but he kept striking out and going into draft pick debt while doing it.

[Ghost of Quacksaw]

I was one of those who was in favor of trading down from #5 to somewhere between #8-#12 for an extra pick in the late first round...BUT...apparently Joe and Harbo & staff felt that Alt was so much more superior to some of the other offensive tackles that would probably be there between #8-#12...Alt graded out as the best OVERALL OT in both run blocking and pass pro...all the others were a step below Alt at least in pass pro...since pass pro is so key in keeping Herbie healthy, I'm thinking this was a big consideration...and Alt can still run-block well...so even though a lot of us wanted a trade-down, Joe chose in this case NOT to trade down and take the blue-chipper...

I agree with all of the above. Bottom Line: Joe elected *not* to trade.

(But remember, he STILL made those TWO other trades...)

Let's look at those two trades:

(1) Joe traded up from pick #37 to pick #34. The compensation for receiving pick #34? The Bolts gave up pick #37, and swapped Day 3 picks: The Bolts sent the Pats pick #110, and received pick #137. (A drop of 27 spots, nearly a full round.) What stands out MOST about this transaction is that Joe Hortiz completed the deal without reducing his total number of picks. He showed that he's a guy who values picks, and he doesn't part with them indiscriminately. A smart guy-- maybe you, maybe not-- could craft a suitable nickname out of that.

To be continued...

[dmac_bolt]

DMAC -- as I recall the Houston offer was for a 3rd round pick in 2025. Plus I think a pick swap was involved too. So, if truly the two offers were the Bears 4th round pick (which was at the top of the 4th round) or the Houston tbd 3rd round pick in 2025 - Hortiz made the right trade. Houston should be pretty good so their 3rd rounder could easily be in the last third of Round 3. And since future picks lose basically a round of value, that would equate to a later 4th round pick in 2024

I doubt Hortiz would have turned down a 3rd round pick from the Texans even if it meant swapping picks in say Round 5, or even Round 4 for Allen in the 2024 draft.

first pick in the 4th in 2024 > HOU 3rd in 2025, if just for the year over year delta for comparable picks. But it won't be comparable - Houston is on the up, and are going to be an above average team, possible division winners even. That pick could be as low as 25 or less.

well diagnosed and summarized B4K - its a no brainer. Per usual - the quacking is louder than the actual message. Hacksaw cannot see forward ... "EYE" say he's a backwards facing parrot.

[Bolt4Knob]

first pick in the 4th in 2024 > HOU 3rd in 2025, if just for the year over year delta for comparable picks. But it won't be comparable - Houston is on the up, and are going to be an above average team, possible division winners even. That pick could be as low as 25 or less.

well diagnosed and summarized B4K - its a no brainer. Per usual - the quacking is louder than the actual message. Hacksaw cannot see forward ... "EYE" say he's a backwards facing parrot.

Dmac - that is how I recall it. As when I first read about the trade I couldn't imagine why Hortiz would turn down a 2024 3rd from the Texans with a pick swap in R5 (I think) - but it was clarified to be the 2025 3rd and thats too risky. The chicago pick was a KNOWN pick

[sonorajim]

BB did as much damage to the team as any GM in its history imo. Fearless became desperate … he flailed and dug a very deep hole and drove Bobby Ross out because Boss Ross called him on it.

And yet here we are, betting the franchise on one of his choices again.Hopefully he planted the seed that Wins a Superbowl when he brought Jim Harbaugh to the Chargers.

[Topcat]

I agree with all of the above. Bottom Line: Joe elected *not* to trade.

Let's look at those two trades:

(1) Joe traded up from pick #37 to pick #34. The compensation for receiving pick #34? The Bolts gave up pick #37, and swapped Day 3 picks: The Bolts sent the Pats pick #110, and received pick #137. (A drop of 27 spots, nearly a full round.) What stands out MOST about this transaction is that Joe Hortiz completed the deal without reducing his total number of picks. He showed that he's a guy who values picks, and he doesn't part with them indiscriminately. A smart guy-- maybe you, maybe not-- could craft a suitable nickname out of that.

To be continued...

I'll say this--at LEAST Trader Joe started that trade-up with TWO picks and came out of that trade-up with TWO picks--though the second pick was a drop of 27 spots as u pointed out...MUCH better than TT, (Traitor Tom) who would routinely give away a 4th or even a 4th rounder and ANOTHER pick to trade up--with a net LOSS of a pick or more...so given the value of McConkey, I'll call that pretty good trading...
(Trader Joe must have gotten some credible intel that another team was going to trade up for Conk...)