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  • Riverwalk
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    Originally posted by Topcat View Post

    Wonder where Trader Joe had him rated...
    If it’s any help, I can say confidentially, Joe had Trikweze rated lower than Taylor and Mickens who he picked in the 6th round ahead of him.

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    • Steve
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      I don't know what the "chatter" talk after the draft means. They have a list of guys they are targeting, so you could say we wanted Hampton ... but you could say the same thing about other players too. I really wanted Will Campbell, but there was never a chance of getting him. Loveland was not quite as certain, but it was pretty sure that he was going. Warren too. That is probably true of every player 15 and above. When you draft outside of the top 2 or 3, you take what is left, and at 22, that is even more true.

      Now I do think Hampton is a better fit for us than most other teams. Big backs can handle the work load of more carries and be more effective at both wearing a D down and breaking tackles. Sure, they can always break more tackles no matter when they get the ball, but get D tired, Hampton is even tougher to tackle. A mix of Harris and Hampton is going to be tough on NFL Ds. Either of them by themselves is tough, but 2 big backs behind a big line is not what NFL defenses are designed to stop. They can and will have to bring more and more players in the box. Problem with heavy box, the D is 1 missed tackle and it's off to the races. Plus there is the play action element, and that is an all game long element, even before the D wears down. They will see the running game on film, know it is coming and be ready to tee off against it. But they will also know that we are willing to go play action. But it makes Roman's job easier to attack an offense rather than sit back and take what they give us, which is really surrendering to them.

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      • dmac_bolt
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        Originally posted by Steve View Post
        I don't know what the "chatter" talk after the draft means. They have a list of guys they are targeting, so you could say we wanted Hampton ... but you could say the same thing about other players too. I really wanted Will Campbell, but there was never a chance of getting him. Loveland was not quite as certain, but it was pretty sure that he was going. Warren too. That is probably true of every player 15 and above. When you draft outside of the top 2 or 3, you take what is left, and at 22, that is even more true.

        Now I do think Hampton is a better fit for us than most other teams. Big backs can handle the work load of more carries and be more effective at both wearing a D down and breaking tackles. Sure, they can always break more tackles no matter when they get the ball, but get D tired, Hampton is even tougher to tackle. A mix of Harris and Hampton is going to be tough on NFL Ds. Either of them by themselves is tough, but 2 big backs behind a big line is not what NFL defenses are designed to stop. They can and will have to bring more and more players in the box. Problem with heavy box, the D is 1 missed tackle and it's off to the races. Plus there is the play action element, and that is an all game long element, even before the D wears down. They will see the running game on film, know it is coming and be ready to tee off against it. But they will also know that we are willing to go play action. But it makes Roman's job easier to attack an offense rather than sit back and take what they give us, which is really surrendering to them.
        my meaning of "chatter talk" was that Charger brass talked in interviews about how high they rated Hampton, how much they wanted him and how they were euphoric that he was on the board so they could pick him. They didn't talk about Loveland but thats expected since they didn't get to pick him. Their chatter doesnt answer the question "if both were on the board, which would they pick".

        We don't know who was on their list. We don't know if they left guys off the list because they just assume they'd already be taken - I would think they don't do that because why would anyone do that. I suppose there were many guys taken before 22 they would like, but I have no idea if they wanted Hampton more than any or all of them. we will never know.
        “Less is more? NO NO NO - MORE is MORE!”

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        • Javia
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          Originally posted by dmac_bolt View Post

          It’s a can’t lose choice imo and we’ve all heard the chatter out of Charger land says they wanted Hampton. Of course they would say that now so … who knows. For all we know their “we wanted Omarion” talk now is based on their consensus they wouldn’t even have a choice of Loveland.

          Neither choice is brain-dead.
          First we were on the phone with several teams about trading our pick. Then we had a deal in place with the Eagles but we didn't get it to the NFL in time. Now everyone wanted Omarion the whole time? Sure.

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          • Formula 21
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            Loveland at 10 was a pretty big overreach IMO. That’s just leaving money on the table. Loveland or Omarion at 22? Both are solid choices there.
            Now, if you excuse me, I have some Charger memories to suppress.
            Let’s win one for Mack.

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            • sonorajim
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              Originally posted by Javia View Post

              First we were on the phone with several teams about trading our pick. Then we had a deal in place with the Eagles but we didn't get it to the NFL in time. Now everyone wanted Omarion the whole time? Sure.
              On the phone? What're you going to give us? Of course Hortiz listened.
              We drafted at 22 so obviously no outrageous offers took us away from Hampton.
              Eagles offer sounds like a rumor. What all did they offer us? When?

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              • dmac_bolt
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                Originally posted by Javia View Post

                First we were on the phone with several teams about trading our pick. Then we had a deal in place with the Eagles but we didn't get it to the NFL in time. Now everyone wanted Omarion the whole time? Sure.
                I said I don't know. I heard what they have said, but I don't know. wait - are you saying you DO know?
                ooh - huge scoop, please share ... i'm rivetted ... !!!!

                “Less is more? NO NO NO - MORE is MORE!”

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                • richpjr
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                  Originally posted by Javia View Post

                  First we were on the phone with several teams about trading our pick. Then we had a deal in place with the Eagles but we didn't get it to the NFL in time. Now everyone wanted Omarion the whole time? Sure.
                  Wanting to select Hampton and listening to trade talks to see if they could be blown away by someone overpaying to move up are not mutually exclusive. And take the trade was done and not called in to the league in with a big grain of salt from the unnamed sources.

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                  • beachcomber
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                    apparently they liked Hampton over Donovan Jackson…. who would look pretty good @LG…. next to Zion,
                    ED Matayo Uiagalelei, CB Domani Jackson,​​ OG Earnest Greene III,​ DT Dontay Corleone, OC Iapani Laloulu, WR J Michael Sturdivant, LB Eric Gentry
                    ED Malcom Koonce, LB Isaiah Simmons, TE Cade Otton, RB Kyren Williams, QB Gardner Minshew, TE Jelani Woods,​ P Matt Araiza

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                    • sonorajim
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                      Originally posted by beachcomber View Post
                      apparently they liked Hampton over Donovan Jackson…. who would look pretty good @LG…. next to Zion,
                      Jackson was available when we took Hampton. Yep.

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                      • Boltinloudguy
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                        Originally posted by sonorajim View Post

                        Jackson was available when we took Hampton. Yep.
                        I think the Vikings would have taken Hampton if the Chargers traded back.

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                        • Topcat
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                          Originally posted by sonorajim View Post

                          On the phone? What're you going to give us? Of course Hortiz listened.
                          We drafted at 22 so obviously no outrageous offers took us away from Hampton.
                          Eagles offer sounds like a rumor. What all did they offer us? When?
                          Reportedly, the Eagles offered "substantial" compensation, but there was ahem, "a failure to communicate:"

                          Los Angeles Chargers NFL Draft Blockbuster Trade Botched At Last Minute

                          Story by Ryan Anderson

                          The Los Angeles Chargers’ first-round maneuvering in the 2025 NFL draft involved more than initially met the eye. While the Chargers ultimately selected Omarion Hampton, it has been revealed that they had a trade in place with the Philadelphia Eagles to move out of the No. 22 spot. Since the draft, the Chargers have been transparent about their active pursuit of trades, while also emphasizing that Hampton was a “unanimous, top-of-board decision.”

                          However, details have now surfaced regarding the failed trade with the Eagles.According to Mike Florio of NBC Sports, a “minor communication error” appears to be the reason the trade did not materialize. Florio reports, “Some believe it was much closer than that. A deal was made, but there was an issue in its communication with the league. And, as we’ve learned in the past, both teams must independently communicate to the NFL the terms of the deal before a trade becomes official. If there’s any discrepancy in the terms supplied by the teams, there’s no deal. In this case, both teams did not communicate the terms to the league before the ticking clock forced the Chargers to make a pick.”

                          The Eagles eventually moved up from the 32nd pick to the 31st to select linebacker Jihaad Campbell.

                          The responsibility for the alleged communication error—whether it lies with the Chargers or the Eagles—remains unclear. What is certain is that the Chargers would have received “substantial trade compensation” for a move so far down the first-round draft board.

                          It remains uncertain whether the Chargers anticipated Hampton falling to that later pick or were equally satisfied with other players potentially available at the bottom of Round 1.

                          Regardless, the Chargers-Eagles trade situation carries an air of intrigue. As the saying goes, “where there’s smoke, there’s fire,” suggesting that substantive discussions occurred before ultimately falling through, and that Hampton was indeed a player the Chargers highly valued.


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