Greg Roman Chargers Offensive Coordinator

[charger1_sj]

More than a wide receiver where at least one safety has to be well back every play?

How many times are you placing Bowers at the full back position anyhow.... and it isn't like he morphs into Lorenzo Neil / Tom Rathman back there.
At 6'3" 235 pound, he's not going to maul linebackers and ends.

Pump the brakes on the Bowers as demigod caboose.

Sorry but I don't think you got it right. Deebo Samuel weight is 216 and he runs over people. Bowers is 240 and it's estimated he'll run 4.45 50. No LB is going to keep
up with him in the open field. You can use him like Deebo on end arounds. He's a serious threat as a receiver both over the middle and down the field. After the catch he's
just as dangerous. He also happens to be a pretty good at run blocking. Pretty sure we can find a speedy receiver to stretch the field if that's what you want. But you're not
going to find another Bowers that easy.

Really don't know which direction we'll go in the draft since we also have needs at WR, OL, even Edge for that matter. But I'd be happy with Bowers or Nabors, but leaning
Bowers.

[dmac_bolt]

I'm like dmac - easily swayed . . . . . . . . . . . .I'm completely sold on Bowers at #5 . . . . . . . . . .And the beef route as well - SO conflicted. Nice to have multiple good choices though . ATM if feels like it's going to be hard to work a trade back and get good value - we'll see as the offseason progresses and after the combine

Yep - they can hit a home run swinging for either fence and I’ll be happy. Can’t have everything.

I’m not keen on trading back to 20-ish and not getting one of the top shelf bottles. I just don’t drink that much anymore, i appreciate the quality of the top shelf. If they do - I trust they have a reason and a plan.

[Lefty2SLO]

Yep - they can hit a home run swinging for either fence and I’ll be happy. Can’t have everything.

I’m not keen on trading back to 20-ish and not getting one of the top shelf bottles. I just don’t drink that much anymore, i appreciate the quality of the top shelf. If they do - I trust they have a reason and a plan.

Half way thru a 2nd tier bottle you'll never notice the difference . . . . . . . .

[powderblueboy]

Sorry but I don't think you got it right. Deebo Samuel weight is 216 and he runs over people. Bowers is 240 and it's estimated he'll run 4.45 50. No LB is going to keep
up with him in the open field. You can use him like Deebo on end arounds. He's a serious threat as a receiver both over the middle and down the field. After the catch he's
just as dangerous. He also happens to be a pretty good at run blocking. Pretty sure we can find a speedy receiver to stretch the field if that's what you want. But you're not
going to find another Bowers that easy.

Really don't know which direction we'll go in the draft since we also have needs at WR, OL, even Edge for that matter. But I'd be happy with Bowers or Nabors, but leaning
Bowers.

No one will be playing a safety deep just for Bowers.
And when I see him weighing in at 240 and running a 4.45, I'll believe it

[FoutsFan]

Half way thru a 2nd tier bottle you'll never notice the difference . . . . . . . .

Half way though the draft watching top tier players going to other teams and we get also rans you WILL notice the difference. But hey at least we will get more also rans than potential all pros.

[dmac_bolt]

No one will be playing a safety deep just for Bowers.
And when I see him weighing in at 240 and running a 4.45, I'll believe it

I forget - what did you want them to do at #5? He never said anyone would play a safety deep just for Bowers, don’t know where that came from. He said no LB will keep up with him. Thats true.

[CanadianBoltFan]

No one will be playing a safety deep just for Bowers.
And when I see him weighing in at 240 and running a 4.45, I'll believe it

He has offically run 4.48 in college FYI

Height: 6-4 (41%*)	Weight: 240 (13%*)
Forty: 4.48 (O) (98%*)	Shuttle: 4.35 (HS) (47%*)
Vertical: 41.5 (HS) (100%*)

[charger1_sj]

No one will be playing a safety deep just for Bowers.
And when I see him weighing in at 240 and running a 4.45, I'll believe it

If you play a safety or 2 safeties deep nobody is going to complete a long pass. But it will open the middle of the field for guys like Allen and ......Bowers.
Did you watch the SB last night? How many deep balls were caught? What did Kelce do in the 2nd half?

If Bowers is that fast teams will have to cover him with a safety or corner. And good luck with that because he's 6'4". If not then he's going to cause major headaches for defenses.
At any rate he's a guy defenses have to keep an eye on. In other words a difference maker.

[AK47]

If you play a safety or 2 safeties deep nobody is going to complete a long pass. But it will open the middle of the field for guys like Allen and ......Bowers.
Did you watch the SB last night? How many deep balls were caught? What did Kelce do in the 2nd half?

In big games such as playoffs and SB it appears KC intakes your defensive game plan in the 1st half then utilizes Kelce to attack weaknesses in the 2nd half.

Kelce uses the defense's leverage against themselves and either takes over or at the very least is instrumental in extending drives resulting into scores. The offense runs through Kelce weaving through the core of the defense. The RB and WR's are merely ancillary but become viable options if Kelce attracts enough attention.

In boxing analogy Kelce is used as a stiff jab. Looping body shots (run game) could be blocked. Uppercuts and Hooks (passing game) could be telegraphed and defended. A quick stiff jab has a higher connect ratio which could disguise a straight punch down the hatch is what Kelce is. Having such a jab sets up everything else.


In contrast, Deebo and Kittles didn't look themselves having been defended well and/or getting hurt.

[charger1_sj]

In big games such as playoffs and SB it appears KC intakes your defensive game plan in the 1st half then utilizes Kelce to attack weaknesses in the 2nd half.

Kelce uses the defense's leverage against themselves and either takes over or at the very least is instrumental in extending drives resulting into scores. The offense runs through Kelce weaving through the core of the defense. The RB and WR's are merely ancillary but become viable options if Kelce attracts enough attention.

In boxing analogy Kelce is used as a stiff jab. Looping body shots (run game) could be blocked. Uppercuts and Hooks (passing game) could be telegraphed and defended. A quick stiff jab has a higher connect ratio which could disguise a straight punch down the hatch is what Kelce is. Having such a jab sets up everything else.


In contrast, Deebo and Kittles didn't look themselves having been defended well and/or getting hurt.

Deebo was playing hurt. reinjured his shoulder in the NFC title game. KC took Kittle out of the game. Collectively they have the best group of DBs in the NFL.
KC essentially took the big play away from the 49ers. That kept the game close until mistakes and bad decisions started happening. Kelce as we know is a handful.
Reid probably made some mistakes in the 1st half which could have been costly as KC offense did nothing in that half.

[powderblueboy]

I forget - what did you want them to do at #5? He never said anyone would play a safety deep just for Bowers, don’t know where that came from. He said no LB will keep up with him. Thats true.

He said that a wide receiver will do nothing for the running game; that is from where that came.

1. Nabers/Fuaga (or another OT)
2. Trade back
3. Bowers, who I wouldn't be against, but have my concerns at this point in time.

[powderblueboy]

If you play a safety or 2 safeties deep nobody is going to complete a long pass. But it will open the middle of the field for guys like Allen and ......Bowers.
Did you watch the SB last night? How many deep balls were caught? What did Kelce do in the 2nd half?

If Bowers is that fast teams will have to cover him with a safety or corner. And good luck with that because he's 6'4". If not then he's going to cause major headaches for defenses.
At any rate he's a guy defenses have to keep an eye on. In other words a difference maker.

Or you can run the ball more effectively with safeties playing deeper (which was the jumping off point for the conversation).
Then you force them to come up and beat them deep.

You can do more with Nabers than just have him run fly patterns all day.

BTW, can you point out tape where bowers beats a db 40 + yards down field on a deep route.
Its not what people have tight ends do, but it kind of illustrates my point.