Welcome Back, Keenan Allen (was Goodbye...)

[Budsman]

If the Chargers win a SB or multiple SBs with Harbaugh, and never gets there with the Bears or whatever team he ends up playing for, he will wish he had the Lombardis instead of the few extra million he earned by being traded. Nobody was saying he wasn't worth his contract, the team was in a bad cap situation.

Don’t buy the Kool-aid V. We could have kept him without demanding a pay cut. The cap is fluid and a joke there are ways of manipulating it without demanding a pay cut. The pay cut is essentially the FU way of showing you don’t want Allen on your team.

Harbaugh and Horitz wanted space to make a few moves this year and had determined they were going to cut Allen. It’s pretty obvious that we haven’t heard about how they wanted to add dead years or anything and all we hear is take a pay cut.


If the chargers win a Super Bowl this year or next, then all is great but if they don’t or if their offense sputters while we try to find the right weapons for JH then it’s a disaster to let go of a proven star that JH has a strong connection with.

Im super concerned that we have a start QB on a 50+ million a year contract and we’re blowing up his offense. How long does a rebuild take? How much of Herbert’s Prime do we waste?

[jamrock]

It’s a fallacy to think the Chargers couldn’t have paid him. We’re currently 26 million over the cap from Over the cap. His dead cap is 11 million, his salary this year is 19 million with a 5 million roster bonus. Meaning we had the money.

I haven’t heard anyone say that the chargers offered to just add dead years to the end of his contract and change some of the 20 mil to a bonus.

if you do that we could have turned 10 mil of his salary into bonus and saved 10 mil this year and moved 10 mil to next year when we have 100+ mil in cap space.


it was very possible to keep Allen without demanding he take a pay cut after he restructured for the chargers last year and played at a very high level. The Chargers with Allen and One of the big three WRs are much better than Palmer and a big three. And if they choose to go in a different direction than top three receiver it’s almost guaranteed they don’t replace his production, clutchness and his rapport with Herbert meaning our offense will be worse.

I thought they would do what you suggested. But they made the money move. Now we see what they do with that extra money and pick. Don't blow it. Nobody is irreplaceable but guys like Keenan don't grow on trees. Was our most important 3rd down converter by far.

[Budsman]

I thought they would do what you suggested. But they made the money move. Now we see what they do with that extra money and pick. Don't blow it. Nobody is irreplaceable but guys like Keenan don't grow on trees. Was our most important 3rd down converter by far.

[jamrock]

This. My sense is that Keenan, for whatever reason, was not buying into Harbaugh, or maybe he was just tired of the upheaval in the Chargers' organization and wanted to go somewheres else. When the weather starts turning cold in Chicago late in the year, he's gonna have second thoughts, believe me. He's only lived in North Carolina, Nor Cal and So Cal. Chicago cold is going to be a new experience for him.

Would have been his 4th head coach as a Charger. First thing they do after his most productive season is ask him to take a pay cut. Writing's on the wall

[Bolt4Knob]

It’s a fallacy to think the Chargers couldn’t have paid him. We’re currently 26 million over the cap from Over the cap. His dead cap is 11 million, his salary this year is 19 million with a 5 million roster bonus. Meaning we had the money.

I haven’t heard anyone say that the chargers offered to just add dead years to the end of his contract and change some of the 20 mil to a bonus.

if you do that we could have turned 10 mil of his salary into bonus and saved 10 mil this year and moved 10 mil to next year when we have 100+ mil in cap space.


it was very possible to keep Allen without demanding he take a pay cut after he restructured for the chargers last year and played at a very high level. The Chargers with Allen and One of the big three WRs are much better than Palmer and a big three. And if they choose to go in a different direction than top three receiver it’s almost guaranteed they don’t replace his production, clutchness and his rapport with Herbert meaning our offense will be worse.

True - the Chargers could have paid him. They could have chosen to give him his $23m with voidable years - meaning reduced his cap hit this year by $18m and pushed that forward

they didn't want to do that as they are thinking more about 2025 and beyond

Before I found out the particulars of both Mack and Bosa - I thought worse case scenario - pushing a bunch of cap. Didn't like it - overreacted as I should have waited for the details

Allen they could have easily pushed a bunch of cap for one year - but they maximized two things 1) the cap 2) the return - they got a 4th round pick

As for having $100m of cap space - - do the math - -it goes quickly

[Bolt4Knob]

Don’t buy the Kool-aid V. We could have kept him without demanding a pay cut. The cap is fluid and a joke there are ways of manipulating it without demanding a pay cut. The pay cut is essentially the FU way of showing you don’t want Allen on your team.

Harbaugh and Horitz wanted space to make a few moves this year and had determined they were going to cut Allen. It’s pretty obvious that we haven’t heard about how they wanted to add dead years or anything and all we hear is take a pay cut.


If the chargers win a Super Bowl this year or next, then all is great but if they don’t or if their offense sputters while we try to find the right weapons for JH then it’s a disaster to let go of a proven star that JH has a strong connection with.

Im super concerned that we have a start QB on a 50+ million a year contract and we’re blowing up his offense. How long does a rebuild take? How much of Herbert’s Prime do we waste?

My guess, if Bosa and Mack had said no to their new contracts - both would be gone. This was not just anti-Allen.

[CanadianBoltFan]

My guess is he felt disrespected after putting up very strong numbers last year and he was approached with a pay cut not an extension. At that point he and his agent knew the writing was on the wall.

I know Harbaugh can lead college kids but he’s had problems in the NFL butting heads with grown men. I hope he doesn’t bring some of that disfunction here. I’m seeing some yellow flags already and while I’ll admit it’s to early to know it’s not to early to be concerned.

Yes, its way too early to be concerned.

The season is 6 months away and you are freaking out on Harbaugh before you have even seen the opening day roster.

[MusicMakerInMe]

Don’t buy the Kool-aid V. We could have kept him without demanding a pay cut. The cap is fluid and a joke there are ways of manipulating it without demanding a pay cut. The pay cut is essentially the FU way of showing you don’t want Allen on your team.

Harbaugh and Horitz wanted space to make a few moves this year and had determined they were going to cut Allen. It’s pretty obvious that we haven’t heard about how they wanted to add dead years or anything and all we hear is take a pay cut.


If the chargers win a Super Bowl this year or next, then all is great but if they don’t or if their offense sputters while we try to find the right weapons for JH then it’s a disaster to let go of a proven star that JH has a strong connection with.

Im super concerned that we have a start QB on a 50+ million a year contract and we’re blowing up his offense. How long does a rebuild take? How much of Herbert’s Prime do we waste?

Exactly. Only one team can win every year and there are a lot of really good teams right now in both conferences.

Teams on the up and up like Houston, then you have dark horse teams like Indy who did a lot of good things with a journeyman QB, etc.
NFC you got teams like Green Bay who's they're stacked, Chicago was stacked even before Keenan got there and may now have a super QB, etc.

The next four years is Herbert's window. It's this athletic prime. The guy isn't a 'young buck' 23 year-old anymore and doesn't have as much time to wait for a bunch of younger players to figure it out. It's not a vacuum and you got to look at what other teams are doing and where they'll be over these next four years, not just yours. If Greg Roman sucks or our picks are busts, Herbert's prime is basically gone.

[jamrock]

My guess, if Bosa and Mack had said no to their new contracts - both would be gone. This was not just anti-Allen.

Why bring Bosa back at all? He hasn't played the last 2 years.

[Eurobolt]

Just a question do we have details of all contracts that's been restructured?

[Bolt4Knob]

Why bring Bosa back at all? He hasn't played the last 2 years.

I still don't get that one at all. Popper reported there was a potential trade - I would have taken the trade and signed somebody like KVN and called it good. I will say I am glad its now a smaller deal

Kind of still holding out hope he is traded to the Niners with a lower cap number

[Bolt4Knob]

Just a question do we have details of all contracts that's been restructured?

Mack - yes

Bosa -- no

OTC has the details
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