Official 2025 NFL Draft Superthread | Prospect Discussion

[charger1993]

mock draft just done i kinda like it
24: R1 P24 TE Tyler Warren - Penn State
56: R2 P24 G Donovan Jackson - Ohio State
88: R3 P24 RB Nick Singleton - Penn State
125: R4 P24 WR Kyren Lacy - LSU
159: R5 P22 CB Cobee Bryant - Kansas
180: R6 P5 EDGE Gabe Jacas - Illinois
199: R6 P24 WR Theo Wease - Missouri
208: R6 P33 S Jaylen Reed - Penn State
213: R6 P38 RB Trevor Etienne - Georgia
215: R6 P40 TE Elijah Arroyo - Miami
217: R7 P2 EDGE Trey Moore - Texas

[Boltinloudguy]

RBs have short shelf life. They need to provide impact quickly. You hope they start to grow into more of a role by the end of the season not less of a role. RB isn’t a role that has the luxury of time to develop because there are so many good young RBs in the draft to replace them at low draft value. He’s trending very very poorly and that’s a fact.

Short life yes but who knows if Haskins will be there next year. I know they just signed Elliot, but he won’t be there next year. I’m giving it another year before calling it a miss.

[Budsman]

If you expect to regularly hit on a 2% probability, you should probably never gamble.

I think your two percent is low. Even in your link it says “

Note: this wasn't based on likelihood of making an NFL roster, it was based on subjective factors, like # of seasons or games starting, statistical performance, Pro Bowls, etc. So it wasn't that only 2% of 6th rounders would be role-players, it was that 2% would become solid starters. Lots of 4th, 5th, 6th rounders develop into decent special teamers or fill-in guys. Almost none of them became every week starters, though. I think I didn't include kickers and punters in the calculation, though.”

No one said they have to be pro bowl starters. Stop putting words in my mouth it’s disingenuous and shows how weak your argument is.

Your life must be grim if you don’t hope anything with a less than 10% chance can happen.

[dmac_bolt]

I’m going on record to report that my life is not grim. Just in case anyone wondered … not grim. Check.

they’ve got black ice on the roads in KC today. My first professional boss was on a biz trip to StL, maybe 3 yrs after I moved on to a new job, and he hit black ice and was killed in an accident - it ain’t no joke. Prayers for those traveling black ice and those with grim souls

Black Ice Kills - thats it , the name of my new band

[Leslie Grossman]

It all starts with the QB and up front.
The Lions built a great O Line, then they acquired Gibbs and Montgomery. How good would they be if the Lions interior was Zion, Bozeman, Pipkins?
I would replace Zion too before paying for Henry or Barkley. Ravens and Eagles also much better on the interior.

[dmac_bolt]

It all starts with the QB and up front.
The Lions built a great O Line, then they acquired Gibbs and Montgomery. How good would they be if the Lions interior was Zion, Bozeman, Pipkins?
I would replace Zion too before paying for Henry or Barkley. Ravens and Eagles also much better on the interior.

I agree but cannot fully discount the examples. Lions have Gibbs and Montgomery, Ravens have Henry, and Eagles have Barkley. I don't assume that means nothing.

100% = Fix the OL first; but don't assume that means we have to over-draft IOL in Rd1 vs Day 2 picks, Day3 or even FA. If Eagles are generally regarded to have the best OL (very open debate, idunno - I read it often), they did not draft any IOL player in Rd1. The other two each drafted 1 of their 3 IOL players in Rd1.

Where the unrelenting commitment to assigning top picks to the OL is found is at the premium OT position. We've done that.

There are many ways to skin a cat, if you're into that cat-skinning stuff. My IOL philosophy is that if there is a can't-miss blue chip perennial pro bowl IOL projected player, OG and OC, latter Rd1 is reasonable value. OItherwise, Rd 1 is usually an over-draft for IOL. And as we all usually agree, over-draft reaching is never good for a roster long term. I don't believe anyone has identified a can't-miss blue chip IOL player in this draft, though I don't get out much. I voraciously read Wu and Crew to learn what I don't know. Often, Wu wins me over. sometimes not. I expect my brilliant analysis here refocuses him to find us a very good starter in Rd2 & Rd3 plus the FA market, where I still think it belongs .

analysis below - I hope these names are all correct - I only knew names of a few of their OL starters. I pulled names from teams official website depth charts. if websites are wrong, my analysis falls to pieces and I apologize in advance

Eagles:
LT Mailata Rd7
LG Dickerson Rd2
OC Jurgen Rd2
RG Becton Rd1 - FA Signing - drafted by Jets
RT Johnson Rd1

Ravens:
LT Stanley Rd1
LG Mekari - UDFA
OC Linderbaum Rd1
RG Faalele Rd4
RT Rosengarten Rd2

Lions:
LT Decker Rd1
LG Glasgow Rd3
OC Ragnow Rd1
RG Zeitler Rd1 - FA Signing - drafted by CIN
RT Sewell Rd1

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IOL Summary
Rd1 Team Picks = 2 (22%)
Rd2-3 Team Picks = 3 (33%)
Rd 4 Team Picks = 1 (11%)
FA Signings = 2 (22%)
UDFA = 1 (11%)

OT summary
Rd1 = 4 (67%)
Rd2 = 1 (33%)
Rd7 = 1 (33%)

[Boltjolt]

I agree but cannot fully discount the examples. Lions have Gibbs and Montgomery, Ravens have Henry, and Eagles have Barkley. I don't assume that means nothing.

100% = Fix the OL first; but don't assume that means we have to over-draft IOL in Rd1 vs Day 2 picks, Day3 or even FA. If Eagles are generally regarded to have the best OL (very open debate, idunno - I read it often), they did not draft any IOL player in Rd1. The other two each drafted 1 of their 3 IOL players in Rd1.

Where the unrelenting commitment to assigning top picks to the OL is found is at the premium OT position. We've done that.

There are many ways to skin a cat, if you're into that cat-skinning stuff. My IOL philosophy is that if there is a can't-miss blue chip perennial pro bowl IOL projected player, OG and OC, latter Rd1 is reasonable value. OItherwise, Rd 1 is usually an over-draft for IOL. And as we all usually agree, over-draft reaching is never good for a roster long term. I don't believe anyone has identified a can't-miss blue chip IOL player in this draft, though I don't get out much. I voraciously read Wu and Crew to learn what I don't know. Often, Wu wins me over. sometimes not. I expect my brilliant analysis here refocuses him to find us a very good starter in Rd2 & Rd3 plus the FA market, where I still think it belongs .

analysis below - I hope these names are all correct - I only knew names of a few of their OL starters. I pulled names from teams official website depth charts. if websites are wrong, my analysis falls to pieces and I apologize in advance

Eagles:
LT Mailata Rd7
LG Dickerson Rd2
OC Jurgen Rd2
RG Becton Rd1 - FA Signing - drafted by Jets
RT Johnson Rd1

Ravens:
LT Stanley Rd1
LG Mekari - UDFA
OC Linderbaum Rd1
RG Faalele Rd4
RT Rosengarten Rd2

Lions:
LT Decker Rd1
LG Glasgow Rd3
OC Ragnow Rd1
RG Zeitler Rd1 - FA Signing - drafted by CIN
RT Sewell Rd1

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IOL Summary
Rd1 Team Picks = 2 (22%)
Rd2-3 Team Picks = 3 (33%)
Rd 4 Team Picks = 1 (11%)
FA Signings = 2 (22%)
UDFA = 1 (11%)

OT summary
Rd1 = 4 (67%)
Rd2 = 1 (33%)
Rd7 = 1 (33%)

The Eagles 7th rounder made 1st team All Pro this year.

We could of drafted Bowers and got Rosengarten in round 2, but then, no McConkey. Just sayin! Im fine with it.

[electricgold]

We traded up a bit to get McConkey, I wonder if Jim and Hortiz like one of the two TE's in this draft they may consider trading up a bit to draft the TE they like?

[electricgold]

Jah Joyner, EDGE, Minnesota

Size:

Height: 6’5” | Weight: 265 pounds

Accomplishments:

All-Big Ten Honorable Mention (2024, 2023) • Four-star recruit

“Jah Joyner is an uber-long, twitched-up edge rusher with great hand usage to win the arc and create havoc in the backfield.”

Joyner is the prototypical NFL edge rusher with the size, strength, length, and pass-rush upside to be an impactful player at the next level. He’s still developing as a run defender and learning to use his length more effectively, but the foundation is there for Joyner to be a good starter in the NFL.

[Formula 21]

Ranking the best rookies of the 2024 NFL regular season

2YPXG2R Tampa Bay Buccaneers running back Bucky Irving runs for a touchdown against the Carolina Panthers during the second half of an NFL football game, Sunday, Dec. 1, 2024, in Charlotte, N.C. (AP Photo/Jacob Kupferman)
By Gordon McGuinness
Posted Jan 7, 2025 5:40 am EST • Bucky Irving takes the top spot: Irving totaled 1,514 yards from scrimmage, showcasing his ability to excel both as a runner and receiver. He averaged an impressive 4.03 yards after contact per carry on the ground and forced 57 missed tackles on 207 rushing attempts.

• Edgerrin Cooper continues to climb: Cooper was one of the league's most in-form players down the stretch, earning PFF grades above 75.0 in each of the final four games of the season.

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After 18 weeks of NFL action, the regular season’s highest-graded rookies have emerged.

The list features a mix of early first-round picks living up to their draft pedigree and late-round gems who exceeded expectations, showcasing the NFL’s unpredictable talent pipeline. 1. RB BUCKY IRVING, TAMPA BAY BUCCANEERS


PFF Grade: 90.6

The Buccaneers' fourth-round rookie capped an outstanding debut season as the highest-graded rookie of 2024. He totaled 1,514 yards from scrimmage, showcasing his ability to excel both as a runner and receiver. He averaged an impressive 4.03 yards after contact per carry on the ground and forced 57 missed tackles on 207 rushing attempts.

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2. QB JAYDEN DANIELS, WASHINGTON COMMANDERS


PFF Grade: 89.6

Daniels narrowly missed out on the top spot to Bucky Irving in the final week of the season but still delivered an incredible debut campaign. He finished as the highest-graded quarterback in the NFC, showcasing remarkable ball security with a turnover-worthy play rate of just 1.7% in 2024.

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3. WR MALIK NABERS, NEW YORK GIANTS


PFF Grade: 86.7

Nabers delivered an impressive rookie season for the Giants, averaging 2.17 yards per route run and earning an 87.1 PFF receiving grade. Targeted 165 times, he hauled in 109 receptions for 1,204 yards.

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4. EDGE JARED VERSE, LOS ANGELES RAMS


PFF Grade: 86.2

Verse ended his rookie season as the NFL’s highest-graded defensive rookie, amassing 77 total pressures from 484 pass-rushing snaps and earning an impressive 83.7 pass-rushing grade. While missed tackles were a concern earlier in the year, he has shown significant improvement, as he has missed just one tackle over the past four games.

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5. TE BROCK BOWERS, LAS VEGAS RAIDERS


PFF Grade: 85.1

Bowers’ 112 receptions are the most by a rookie in NFL history, with the 13th overall selection in the 2024 NFL Draft already in contention to be the best tight end in football. He dropped just four passes all season and averaged 2.02 yards per route run. Subscribe to PFF+ today! 6. LB EDGERRIN COOPER, GREEN BAY PACKERS


PFF Grade: 84.0

Cooper was one of the league's most in-form players down the stretch, earning PFF grades above 75.0 in each of the final four games of the season. He excelled as a pass-rusher, notching 11 pressures on 51 pass-rushing snaps, and showcased his versatility with PFF grades above 70.0 in both run defense and coverage.

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7. CB COOPER DEJEAN, PHILADELPHIA EAGLES


PFF Grade: 82.7

DeJean was a revelation as a rookie, making an impact both in coverage and against the run. While he allowed 51 receptions in coverage, they went for an average of just 7.3 yards per catch, and the former Iowa standout earned a 79.3 PFF coverage grade.

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8. WR BRIAN THOMAS JR., JACKSONVILLE JAGUARS


PFF Grade: 82.0

Already one of the best deep threats in the NFL, Thomas averaged 14.7 yards per reception as a rookie. He averaged 2.45 yards per route run and earned an 83.4 PFF receiving grade, racking up 1,282 receiving yards in 2024.

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9. WR LADD MCCONKEY, LOS ANGELES CHARGERS


PFF Grade: 80.5

McConkey almost instantly became Justin Herbert’s favorite target in his debut season. The Georgia product finished his rookie campaign with an 81.2 receiving grade, averaged 2.38 yards per route run, and he caught 13 of the 21 contested targets thrown his way.

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10. G DOMINICK PUNI, SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS


PFF Grade: 80.5

The 49ers' third-round draft pick faltered down the stretch, but his strong start to the year helped him finish the year with a top-10 grade among rookies. He was solid as a pass-blocker, allowing 35 pressures from 656 pass-blocking snaps, and he earned an 81.5 PFF run-blocking grade. Subscribe to PFF+ today! 11. WR MARVIN HARRISON JR., ARIZONA CARDINALS


PFF Grade: 77.7

Harrison capped his rookie season with a strong performance, hauling in five receptions for 63 yards and a touchdown, earning a 76.2 PFF grade—his fourth-best mark of the year. Across the 2024 regular season, he averaged 1.63 yards per route run and secured 16 contested catches.

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12. OT JOE ALT, LOS ANGELES CHARGERS


PFF Grade: 77.6

With Rashawn Slater out in Week 18, the Chargers kicked Alt over to left tackle, and he didn’t miss a beat as a pass-blocker, as he didn't allow a single pressure from 41 pass-blocking snaps. He ended the 2024 regular season with a 71.6 PFF run-blocking grade and a 79.4 PFF pass-blocking grade.

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13. CB ANDRU PHILLIPS, NEW YORK GIANTS


PFF Grade: 77.5

Phillips was strong close to the line of scrimmage in his first season, earning a 78.1 run-defense grade for the Giants. He was solid in coverage, too, earning a 75.8 coverage grade and allowing just 373 yards from 335 snaps in coverage.

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14. C ZACH FRAZIER, PITTSBURGH STEELERS


PFF Grade: 76.8

As he heads into the playoffs, one of the most encouraging aspects for Frazier is that he has improved as a pass-blocker as the season has gone on, earning pass-blocking grades of 70.0 or better in each of the past two weeks. He was at his best as a run blocker, though, as he earned a 79.7 run-blocking grade over the season.

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15. QB BO NIX, DENVER BRONCOS


PFF Grade: 76.4

Nix closed out the regular season with his best performance yet, completing 26-of-29 passes as the Broncos secured a playoff berth. He has demonstrated impressive poise in his rookie campaign, posting a 3.5% big-time throw rate and a turnover-worthy play rate of just 1.9%.

[Formula 21]

If Hortiz can repeat in 25 what he did in 24, we are a top competitor for the SB. 11 wins to 14 wins? Maybe.

[Formula 21]

We traded up a bit to get McConkey, I wonder if Jim and Hortiz like one of the two TE's in this draft they may consider trading up a bit to draft the TE they like?

We got the ammo to do it.