Official 2025 Chargers Discussion | 2025 Roster Build | Free Agency and Draft

[sonorajim]

I don’t think AJ got lazy, I think he got arrogant and thought he was smarter than anybody else, everywhere else. Larry English, Jonas Mouton are the names that come to mind immediately.

The farther removed he got from Butler's influence, the worse he got.

[Topcat]

Can't wait to see. If he's not slowed by past injury, I think he could pass Vidal.

I'm still not jumping too high about mid-May press blurbs. apologies for my skepticism, its not my first rodeo. I've seen that movie. I've been down that road before. I've (add your favorite cliche ______)

How about ahem, "I've already danced to that tune." Or, for our French speaking friends, something similar would be: “C’est du déjà-vu” (It’s déjà vu)...

[dmac_bolt]

How about ahem, "I've already danced to that tune." Or, for our French speaking friends, something similar would be: “C’est du déjà-vu” (It’s déjà vu)...

i'm really glad to see you're back - touch n go there for awhile, ... and boy have I been there eh? ... whew!

[dmac_bolt]

The NFL is made up of 30% UDFAs . There are UDFAs making every team in the NFL. Less maybe on stacked teams like the Eagles, but it happens, look no farther than their stud ALL PRO left tackle

I keep seeing that 30% number posted, is it real? whats the source? AI told me its 20%, I don't know AI is right, don't know 30% is wrong. it feels high to me but maybe I'm just off. someone also posted the obvious - its not 20% new UDFAs each year. Chargers typically will keep 1 to 3 UDFAs? I like Sanders odds, personally - just want to wait to see it. I don't mean to dampen your excitement, sorry.

I love Klotz' destroyer tape. he's not huge but he's fucking brutal vs college kids, gotta see him pulling on some lead blocks in PS.

Don't know anything about the 3rd UDFA some are talkin about

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[Bolt4Knob]

I keep seeing that 30% number posted, is it real? whats the source? AI told me its 20%, I don't know AI is right, don't know 30% is wrong. it feels high to me but maybe I'm just off. someone also posted the obvious - its not 20% new UDFAs each year. Chargers typically will keep 1 to 3 UDFAs? I like Sanders odds, personally - just want to wait to see it. I don't mean to dampen your excitement, sorry.

I love Klotz' destroyer tape. he's not huge but he's fucking brutal vs college kids, gotta see him pulling on some lead blocks in PS.

Don't know anything about the 3rd UDFA some are talkin about

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30% seems high to me

Last year, for the Chargers, the median cap hit, not salary -- was $1.25m . 53 man roster. 26 players had cap hits lower than that. So that is your day 3 draft picks, UDFAs and veteran minimum guys

That would be 16 to 17 players are UDFAs - I think thats pretty high. My guess its under 10 unless you count veteran minimum free agents who started as UDFAs

[CanadianBoltFan]

Shit changes all the time. His last two years he was mediocre. Averaged 3.4 YPC before injury and 4.8 last year.

Obviously you are high on him but I'm sure it's only because Harbaugh and Hortiz mentioned him..they also mentioned Grimm and Slotz. May not be room for Grimm but we'll see.

Whoever makes it is fine with me, I want the best players we got, I just don't really see Sanders as one of them. His agility measures weren't good. You can get away with that in college but not necessarily the NFL.

But let's see.

I am high on him just because I followed him in college and he is a player I have always liked, nothing more than that, has nothing to do with what JH2 said, other than they confirm he has some pedigree and respect around the NFL world, it was not just any old UDFA signing, Hortiz was clear is was a big priority UDFA signing as they all like him including the scouts.

Let him compete, he cant be any less effective in the NFL as a rookie than Vidal was.

[DerwinBosa]

All those generous contract extensions AJ did in his later years were also real head scratchers...Lazy Gaither and Jyles Tucker also come to mind here...

I can't explain the Jyles Tucker extension, but Jared Gaither was due to Marcus McNeill's injuries and early retirement. We didn't have a left tackle, and Gaither stepped in and played well to finish out the 2011 season. It was one of those unfortunate situations where A.J. either paid Gaither or we didn't have a left tackle in 2012. Gaither should be ashamed of the way he basically quit after he signed that contract.

The drafts after 2006 were horrendous, but I think that was in part because of Norv and his coaching staff's inability to develop players. Marty's coaching staff was much better at that. But there is no excuse for A.J. trading up for Jacob Hester and reaching for Jonas Mouton.

[CanadianBoltFan]

Those aren't all ROOKIE UDFAs, though, which is what the discussion has been about. Adding UDFAs that are, say, 5-8 year vets, is a separate matter and process.

Back in the era of UDFAs like Jacque Cesaire and Jaleel Addae, the organization used tout itself as savvy in the UDFA Department because for something like 10 years in a row, a rookie UDFA made the final roster, going into the season. What they didn't acknowledge-- for obvious reasons-- was that the team had room for rookie UDFAs because so many of their rookie draft picks weren't making the team, creating roster space for non-draftees.

Fair point, it is getting harder to make the Chargers roster with Hortiz building better depth. Out of last years UDFA class there are just 3 remaining on the PS

[CanadianBoltFan]

I keep seeing that 30% number posted, is it real? whats the source? AI told me its 20%, I don't know AI is right, don't know 30% is wrong. it feels high to me but maybe I'm just off. someone also posted the obvious - its not 20% new UDFAs each year. Chargers typically will keep 1 to 3 UDFAs? I like Sanders odds, personally - just want to wait to see it. I don't mean to dampen your excitement, sorry.

I love Klotz' destroyer tape. he's not huge but he's fucking brutal vs college kids, gotta see him pulling on some lead blocks in PS.

Don't know anything about the 3rd UDFA some are talkin about

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What percent of NFL players were undrafted?

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The source is Teair Tart! He himself a UDFA

[CanadianBoltFan]

30% seems high to me

Last year, for the Chargers, the median cap hit, not salary -- was $1.25m . 53 man roster. 26 players had cap hits lower than that. So that is your day 3 draft picks, UDFAs and veteran minimum guys

That would be 16 to 17 players are UDFAs - I think thats pretty high. My guess its under 10 unless you count veteran minimum free agents who started as UDFAs

I don't think it means as rookies obviously. i think it means players in the NFL that started out that way. Just in this weeks DL presser 2 of the 3 players were UDFAs....Teair Tart and Naquan Jones

[Boltinloudguy]

I am high on him just because I followed him in college and he is a player I have always liked, nothing more than that, has nothing to do with what JH2 said, other than they confirm he has some pedigree and respect around the NFL world, it was not just any old UDFA signing, Hortiz was clear is was a big priority UDFA signing as they all like him including the scouts.

Let him compete, he cant be any less effective in the NFL as a rookie than Vidal was.

I think Sanders is competing with Haskins for a roster spot. Haskins is a free agent next year. Sanders is a faster Haskins, just needs to put in the work on ST and pass blocking.

[CanadianBoltFan]

I think Sanders is competing with Haskins for a roster spot. Haskins is a free agent next year. Sanders is a faster Haskins, just needs to put in the work on ST and pass blocking.

I think the top 2 Harris and Hampton are set, and the rest are competing...Haskins, Vidal, Sanders, Paterson.

There is nothing that Vidal has showed in the NFL whereas he should not be in that competition. Haskins they like for pass pro and special teams but he is a very pedestrian rusher that provides 2 yard plunges, Haskins has nowhere near the upside of Vidal or Sanders. Hampton and Harris are good at pass pro, they don't need Haskins for that and Hampton will be far superior on 3rd down, it might come down to special teams but that might be short sighted if someone like Sanders shows out in pre season. Sanders is a player who will not be safe on the PS if he is looking recovered and playing well.