Bengals at Chargers (-1.5) Pre Game Discussion (Wk 11)

[AKFlyFisher]

Vastly superior? Nobody in their right mind is saying that. If the draft happened again it's a toss up who goes first. Even with MW and Keenan healthy, Herbert has never had the array of weapons or coaching that Burrow has had and still doesn't. Add to that Burrow's fragility and it's a toss up. Herbert is playing some of the best ball of his career right now. Stats may not show it but that's a fool's game. We can revisit Sunday night.

I don't think the winner of this game determines who is the better QB. I do think Burrow is vastly superior to Herbert. It is significant. They are not neck and neck. Herbert is at least a few tiers below Burrow. Burrow is elite at reading defenses, manipulating defenses, and layered throws. Herbert is not elite -- but just good in those areas. If there was a redraft, Burrow goes first still, and then Herbert is the 2nd QB taken.

[sonorajim]

I don't think the winner of this game determines who is the better QB. I do think Burrow is vastly superior to Herbert. It is significant. They are not neck and neck. Herbert is at least a few tiers below Burrow. Burrow is elite at reading defenses, manipulating defenses, and layered throws. Herbert is not elite -- but just good in those areas. If there was a redraft, Burrow goes first still, and then Herbert is the 2nd QB taken.

Of course not. It's always about the team. LAC is a better team than Cincy. Burrow has a higher QBR than Herbert.Or Mahomes for that matter.

[Riverwalk]

I don't think the winner of this game determines who is the better QB. I do think Burrow is vastly superior to Herbert. It is significant. They are not neck and neck. Herbert is at least a few tiers below Burrow. Burrow is elite at reading defenses, manipulating defenses, and layered throws. Herbert is not elite -- but just good in those areas. If there was a redraft, Burrow goes first still, and then Herbert is the 2nd QB taken.

Have you considered why receivers are so highly coveted and paid?

When you’re done thinking about that, I hope you realize Burrow has had Tee Higgins and JaMarr Chase for four years.

If you don’t think having two of the top 10 receivers in the league for the past 4 years makes a difference then I don’t think we can have an honest discussion about who is the better QB.

[Bolt4Knob]

Have you considered why receivers are so highly coveted and paid?

When you’re done thinking about that, I hope you realize Burrow has had Tee Higgins and JaMarr Chase for four years.

If you don’t think having two of the top 10 receivers in the league for the past 4 years makes a difference then I don’t think we can have an honest discussion about who is the better QB.

Chase is a true WR1

Herbert has never had a true WR1. Allen is a very good NFL WR but doesn't have the ability that other top notch WRs have like Jefferson, Chase, even an AJ Brown.

[CivilBolt]

Have you considered why receivers are so highly coveted and paid?

When you’re done thinking about that, I hope you realize Burrow has had Tee Higgins and JaMarr Chase for four years.

If you don’t think having two of the top 10 receivers in the league for the past 4 years makes a difference then I don’t think we can have an honest discussion about who is the better QB.

Yup apple to orange comparison. Justin is working with a bunch of rookie and retread wideouts

[Riverwalk]

Yup apple to orange comparison. Justin is working with a bunch of rookie and retread wideouts

Even when Justin had Allen and Williams, one or both was usually injured and not playing for long stretches of time.

And there's no GM that wouldn't have shipped Allen and Williams to Bengals for Higgins and Chase.

[jamrock]

I don't think the winner of this game determines who is the better QB. I do think Burrow is vastly superior to Herbert. It is significant. They are not neck and neck. Herbert is at least a few tiers below Burrow. Burrow is elite at reading defenses, manipulating defenses, and layered throws. Herbert is not elite -- but just good in those areas. If there was a redraft, Burrow goes first still, and then Herbert is the 2nd QB taken.

I guess I don't think you're in your right mind?

[FoutsFan]

That is because Burrow is a vastly superior QB to Herbert -- and that comes from both a statistical analysis and how the two are perceived by others in the NFL. I mean, it can be as simple as saying this: Burrow is top 3 in QBR, and Herbert is floating (because he goes up and down) at 11 or so. Herbert is probably a top 10ish QB in the NFL. Burrow is basically a top 3 QB. Saying that, Herbert is an athletic freak and smart, but he does not have Burrow's acumen or his ability. Injuries and availability are the only issue with Burrow. This is me being unbiased too -- know that I like Herbert a lot and think the Chargers are very luck to have him.

Regardless, for the Chargers to win, they are going to want to limit the number of opportunities that Burrow gets. The Chargers need to bleed/burn clock and need to score TDs.

Pure comedy gold. Another Raider fan trolling TPB forums.

[richpjr]

I don't think the winner of this game determines who is the better QB. I do think Burrow is vastly superior to Herbert. It is significant. They are not neck and neck. Herbert is at least a few tiers below Burrow. Burrow is elite at reading defenses, manipulating defenses, and layered throws. Herbert is not elite -- but just good in those areas. If there was a redraft, Burrow goes first still, and then Herbert is the 2nd QB taken.

Don't faintly agree with this. Herbert has put up monster numbers with an inferior group of skill players and coaching his entire career vs what Burrow has had. I think Burrow is a very good QB, as is Herbert. I'm not convinced that if you let teams draft over that everyone would pick Burrow first.

[Ghost of Quacksaw]

I don't think the winner of this game determines who is the better QB.

Me, neither.

I do think Burrow is vastly superior to Herbert.

I just sprayed coffee all over my computer monitor. 'Vastly superior'? Just no. Burrow is "vastly superior" to Gardner Minshew. The farthest I'd go is to say that Burrow has the 'edge' over Herb.

It is significant. They are not neck and neck. Herbert is at least a few tiers below Burrow.

C'mon, man! This is practically delusional! There are not TIERS between Burrow and Herb.

Burrow is elite at reading defenses, manipulating defenses, and layered throws. Herbert is not elite -- but just good in those areas.

No, sir. It's one thing for you to proclaim that Burrow is "more elite" than Herb in these categories, but even then it's a debate, not a flat out conclusion we all agree on.

If there was a redraft, Burrow goes first still, and then Herbert is the 2nd QB taken.

I could see Burrow being taken 1st over in a re-draft. That's a 'probably', though, not some guarantee. Herb would go no later that 2nd overall, to Washington. Again, there's no gulf between these guys.

[sonorajim]

Me, neither

I just sprayed coffee all over my computer monitor. 'Vastly superior'? Just no. Burrow is "vastly superior" to Gardner Minshew. The farthest I'd go is to say that Burrow has the 'edge' over Herb.

C'mon, man! This is practically delusional! There are not TIERS between Burrow and Herb.

No, sir. It's one thing for you to proclaim that Burrow is "more elite" than Herb in these categories, but even then it's a debate, not a flat out conclusion we all agree on.

I could see Burrow being taken 1st over in a re-draft. That's a 'probably', though, not some guarantee. Herb would go no later that 2nd overall, to Washington. Again, there's no gulf between these guys.

Burrow is good. He's not as big or strong as Herbert and has missed a lot of time with injury. I'm happy with Herbert. I think the better choice long haul.

[powderblueboy]

I don't think the winner of this game determines who is the better QB. I do think Burrow is vastly superior to Herbert. It is significant. They are not neck and neck. Herbert is at least a few tiers below Burrow. Burrow is elite at reading defenses, manipulating defenses, and layered throws. Herbert is not elite -- but just good in those areas. If there was a redraft, Burrow goes first still, and then Herbert is the 2nd QB taken.

Burrow is vastly better at throwing the football to all pro receivers .... he's also vastly better at losing right now.
That's why you've declared winning Sunday as an unimportant measuring stick.

Burrows moves better in the pocket - I prefer his footwork; he also has better touch on short passes.

Herbert stands tall in the pocket and delivers under pressure better than Burrow;
there are also a few important throws he can make that Burrow cannot, because of his arm and accuracy.
Burrow's arm Is probably a bit below average.

As for reading defenses, Herbert has 1 interception this year & Burrow has 4 .... not certain of what criteria you are using