Bengals at Chargers (-1.5) Pre Game Discussion (Wk 11)

[jamrock]

Worth watching. This guy's spiel is that coaching makes all the difference in world of the NFL, he uses Harbaugh as an example. To open he plays a clip of Colin Cowherd saying Harbaugh is proof there are a lot of middling coaches in the league, and that some guys who are great coordinators just don't have the right stuff to be head coaches.

THE HERD | Colin Cowherd STUNNED, Los Angeles Charger Have Become TRUE CONTENDERS With Harbaugh

Been saying this for years

[charger1_sj]

if/when the Chargers can give Herbert the support he needs to win games...that is how I would phrase it

Doesn't change the perception. We had the better team vs the Jags in the POs, but we lost. Didn't score a TD in the 2nd half and
only 3 points. Also lost to the Raiders in a critical game that kept us out of the POs. Things like that shape the perception.

[sonorajim]

Doesn't change the perception. We had the better team vs the Jags in the POs, but we lost. Didn't score a TD in the 2nd half and
only 3 points. Also lost to the Raiders in a critical game that kept us out of the POs. Things like that shape the perception.

The Chargers name is the same.Some good players. Coaches and culture 100% different. The 2024 Chargers didn't and wouldn't lose those games.
It's time for people to get a grasp of the current reality.

[BayAreaBoltz]

Fantasy Football dilemma: I have Joe Burrow and CJ Stroud as my QBs. I've been rolling with Burrow the past several weeks and doing very well! But I HATE starting a gameday opposition player.

Would you still start Burrow or would you swap to Stroud, who has struggled the past several weeks, but has Dallas on Monday night?

[charger1_sj]

The Chargers name is the same.Some good players. Coaches and culture 100% different. The 2024 Chargers didn't and wouldn't lose those games.
It's time for people to get a grasp of the current reality.

That's fine, but it does not change what has happened in the past. So nothing to do with Herbert/Burrow. Across the league and fandom nation wide
Burrow would be rated above Herbert. You can't change those current opinions. Of course you can have your own, which is quite different I
suppose.

[Velo]

Also lost to the Raiders in a critical game that kept us out of the POs.

Nobody blames Herbert for that. That is an infamous game. Herbert was Superman in that game. Everybody knows what lost that was abysmal run defense and even worse decision-making by the coach.

[Velo]

Burrow has had way better weapons but I have to push back on protection. The Cincy o line has never been a strength for Burrow

Cincinnati's O-Line is 28th in the NFL according to PFF. Only the Raiders, Jaguars, Titans and Patriots are ranked lower. It has been weak pretty much his whole career. Thye have spent big on aging veterans in desparation.

Over the course of their careers, Burrow has benefitted from better OL play than Herbert. Even if Burrow's Cinn OLs have never been ranked above average, they're still better than what the Chargers had protecting Herbert.

[Velo]

Fantasy Football dilemma: I have Joe Burrow and CJ Stroud as my QBs. I've been rolling with Burrow the past several weeks and doing very well! But I HATE starting a gameday opposition player.

Would you still start Burrow or would you swap to Stroud, who has struggled the past several weeks, but has Dallas on Monday night?

It depends on who the Texans are playing, and whether Nico Collins is going to play.

[charger1_sj]

Nobody blames Herbert for that. That is an infamous game. Herbert was Superman in that game. Everybody knows what lost that was abysmal run defense and even worse decision-making by the coach.

Maybe, but we lost to a team we should have beaten and it kept us out of the POs. That's the bottom line. It's not about blame, it's about being
clutch and the ability to win games when the chips are down. That's the main reason Mahomes is elite. Burrow beat KC @ KC in the AFCC.
That sticks in peoples mind. Until we pull off something similar Herbert will not surpass Burrow in the opinion polls.

[Velo]

That's the main reason Mahomes is elite.

It takes more than talent to be an elite QB on Mahomes' level, it takes good coaching, a strong supporting roster, and an organization committed to winning. Mahomes has had all of these. Herbert has had none of these, until now.

[BigBad]

Maybe, but we lost to a team we should have beaten and it kept us out of the POs. That's the bottom line. It's not about blame, it's about being
clutch and the ability to win games when the chips are down. That's the main reason Mahomes is elite. Burrow beat KC @ KC in the AFCC.
That sticks in peoples mind. Until we pull off something similar Herbert will not surpass Burrow in the opinion polls.

You are spouting complete nonsense....COMPLETE

Chips are down? When has Mahomes played a playoff game without Kelce? Herberts one playoff game he had zero run game and only Keenan Allen and scored 30 points. How many teams have scored 30 in a playoff game and lost? Burrow has never scored 30 in a playoff game. Burrow has a whopping 9 TD passes in 7 playoff games. His last playoff game he had 2 picks vs. KC. The one win in KC his defense held Mahomes, Hill, and Kelce to THREE POINTS IN THE SECOND HALF.

The Bengals are now 1-10 with Joe Burrow when trailing by one score and taking over possession with 1-8 minutes left in regulation.

Do you know what the 1 win was? This....

Give Herbert weapons like this and he has a few rings. Jamar CHase has 12 Tds of 60 or more yards already in his career. Keenan Allens longest ever was 43...LOL

[Bolt4Knob]

Fantasy Football dilemma: I have Joe Burrow and CJ Stroud as my QBs. I've been rolling with Burrow the past several weeks and doing very well! But I HATE starting a gameday opposition player.

Would you still start Burrow or would you swap to Stroud, who has struggled the past several weeks, but has Dallas on Monday night?

Burrow