Bengals at Chargers (-1.5) Pre Game Discussion (Wk 11)

[charger1_sj]

Becasue he is a below-average athlete and his pressure-to-sack rate is awful.

And he's had a terrible O line. You can add that one as well.

[charger1_sj]

I don't believe this to be true. Do you have a link to the stats that document this?

Burrow has been sacked 32, 51, 41 24 10 games, 23 10 games. Herbert has never been sacked more than 32 times in a season.

I don't watch Bengals games every week. But when I have Burrow has gotten clobbered worst than Herbert.

[charger1_sj]

Its a bull crap narrative. A lot built on winning in college with maybe the best team ever. Jefferson and chase...anyone wins that.

Well they maybe full of shit, but that's what they believe.

[CanadianBoltFan]

I never worry about Herbert. I worry about the D. When the D can consistently stop the opponent, Herbert will magically become a more highly thought of QB. Until then, he’s just a guy that loses shootouts on the last possession due to the D collapsing.

Great point.

While Herbert hasnt had great offensive lines, or coaching, its the defenses that have really held back the wins that have the pundits not putting him in the same breath as Mahomes, Allen, Jackson etc

Hebert has lost games with not just a bad defense, but historically bad defenses.

I have never loved the wins thing when grading QBs for these reasons but thats just the way it is.

[charger1_sj]

If you look at just this year Bengals allow pressure on 18.7% of passes and Chargers 23.8. The chargers have clearly been inferior in pass protection. I'm ignoring sack stats as the more athletic QB will better be able to avoid having those pressures converted to sacks.

I think the whole QB comparison thing is a bit of wasted breath as once someone is drafted the key metrics are no longer individual(arm strength, 40 time etc) and becomes wins which is a team stat.

Burrow is a great QB with high level accuracy and good ability to read defenses. His athleticism and arm strength is average for an NFL QB but that's good enough to win games. I don't need to tear someone else down to feel good about the guy we have!

You're comparing this year, albeit when we played without Alt, Slater and even other starters. Over the course of their respective careers Burrow has
had a lousy O line. In some years worse than ours.

[Velo]

Burrow has been sacked 32, 51, 41 24 10 games, 23 10 games. Herbert has never been sacked more than 32 times in a season.

I don't watch Bengals games every week. But when I have Burrow has gotten clobbered worst than Herbert.

That is on Burrow, not his OL. Burrow is not as mobile as Herbert, plus he tends to hang onto the ball. Herbert is not just more mobile he's also smarter.

[el_jefe999]

I'm not sure how Mack, who did not practice all week, has no injury designation but we are looking as healthy as we've had all year. Leonard is the only one carrying a designation which is questionable.

[Bolt4Knob]

Watching NFL Live and the crew: Rutledge, Orlovsky, Kimes and Ryan Clark all picked the Bengals -
but the same crew also picked the Packers over the Bears - which makes sense. But both Kimes and Rutlege had the Bears scoring over 20 points. I mean, what offense have they been watching!!

and I usually like Kimes -- but the Bears scoring 24 points - no way

Chargers all the way Sunday!

[charger1_sj]

That is on Burrow, not his OL. Burrow is not as mobile as Herbert, plus he tends to hang onto the ball. Herbert is not just more mobile he's also smarter.

Obviously you haven't paid attention to Cincy's O line over the years. Sacking a QB 51 times is not just a function of the QB holding on to the ball or his
football IQ. It's a function of a lousy O line, and Cincy has suffered that faith as bad or worse than the Chargers.

[charger1_sj]

I'm not sure how Mack, who did not practice all week, has no injury designation but we are looking as healthy as we've had all year. Leonard is the only one carrying a designation which is questionable.

Mack has 2 injured legs. He stepped out of last week's game after 4 snaps. He may play but he is far from 100%. Bosa still with problems.
So we may not see much of either one in this game.

[Bolt4Knob]

I'm not sure how Mack, who did not practice all week, has no injury designation but we are looking as healthy as we've had all year. Leonard is the only one carrying a designation which is questionable.

I just am not sure Mack plays this Sunday and I think if you can rest him a week or two - do it for the long term. The last thing you want is for one week to turn into 6 weeks. Meaning if he can take this week off -- and heal a decent amount, that might be the smart move.

[jubei]

I'm not sure how Mack, who did not practice all week, has no injury designation but we are looking as healthy as we've had all year. Leonard is the only one carrying a designation which is questionable.

I really hope Mack doesnt aggravate it even further. They need to put him on a snap count for sure. He's much more important than bosa IMO