Chargers at Raiders Pre-Game Discussion (Week 18)

[Topcat]

there is no question that something happened after that embarrassing loss to Tampa...I don't want to speculate what that is because the change is so drastic some conspiracy theories have already started that Roman is no longer calling the offense and that Harbaugh has taken a larger role...I'm calling bullshit on all that...did Harbaugh maybe tell Roman it was time to open up the playbook a bit? that might be possible that he spoke to his OC and told him to start spreading the ball around more and being less predictable, who knows and it doesn't matter, if Roman keeps calling games like he has since the second half of the Bronco come back win then we have a shot to win a playoff game and you'll hear no Roman complaints from me, that's all I wanted for him to trust his personnel more and use them better, right now that is happening and I'm happy...

Something happened with our play calling the past few games, no doubt about it...my theory is that Harbo upgraded Trestman to asst. playcaller, especially for pass plays...hence the brain trust of GroMarc Industries...delivering the goods by ground and air...

[Chargers8491]

Something happened with our play calling the past few games, no doubt about it...my theory is that Harbo upgraded Trestman to asst. playcaller, especially for pass plays...hence the brain trust of GroMarc Industries...delivering the goods by ground and air...

IMHO, they haven't changed play calling. If you look at the video Kurt Warner made after the Bucs game, there were several plays where there were no TE's or RBs in the flat or at the LBer level. It was nothing but green grass that's because the TEs and RBs had to stay in and block. What's changed is the blocking has gotten better to allow the TEs and RBs to get out in their routes. Just look at how many short passes were made to the TEs and RBs the last 2 games.

[Critty]

I thought what changed is the defense started getting off the field and forcing punts. Offense came alive as Herbert made a couple more plays with legs and arm. I mentioned this a few times this season. Herbert needs snaps to get chemistry. It's only year 1 of new style with new personnel and Justin missed pre season and was hobbled with the ankle. He didn't have Ladd for the 2pt loss to KC. And he was immobile in the 7pt loss to KC. I really want to see Herbert and Ladd healthy for a rematch with KC in the AFCCG. One step at a time though. Get better every day, every play, every rep, etc.

[BayAreaBoltz]

IMHO, they haven't changed play calling. If you look at the video Kurt Warner made after the Bucs game, there were several plays where there were no TE's or RBs in the flat or at the LBer level. It was nothing but green grass that's because the TEs and RBs had to stay in and block. What's changed is the blocking has gotten better to allow the TEs and RBs to get out in their routes. Just look at how many short passes were made to the TEs and RBs the last 2 games.

Roman's renewed emphasis on calling play action has proven helpful (slows the pass rush, brings in the LBs, keeps eyes of corners/safeties in the backfield).

[powderblueboy]

TT can dangle all he wants, it doesn't make sense for Minnesota to take the risk of making the wrong call on their franchise QB on one season from Darnold, their going to want to see it again next year before long term deals get thrown around...besides like Dmac wrote it hurts the Vikings cap wise to trade JJ right now, in 2026 tho that could change...also Darnold has finally landed somewhere where he had the type of offensive palycaller that knew how to use him to his full potential and Darnold has some control over what happens to him going forward, there is like zero fucking chance of Darnold wanting to go that shitshow in Las Vegas, no fucking way, not after everything he's been thru in NY and Carolina...

San Fran seems to be changing their mind about Purdy so maybe the Raiders make a play for Brock, I have a feeling he'll be made available by the 49ers who either have to extend him or trade him and they have salary cap issues, the 49ers will be flushing players this offseason and begin a rebuild...if the Raiders are willing to pay Brock Purdy and give SF a decent return in draft capital they can have a franchise QB next season and Purdy might be agreeable to this because unlike other guys he's not made life changing money yet, so a deal like the one Daniel Jones got in NY might be all it takes to convince a guy like Purdy to go that shitshow in Las Vegas, every body wins, SF gets draft capital they need to rebuild and TT gets to safe face with his boss, AND Purdy gets some life changing income to set up his family for life knowing that his time in Las Vegas will probably be rocky at best...

San Fran fans might have changed, I doubt Shanarat Jr. has. How expensive will Purdy be? There is a definite limit that if exceeded will basically ruin that franchise for years.

I hope TT bites and dooms the Raiders for another decade. Sure, bring in another loser niner Super Bowl QB, whose performance was greatly amplified by the talent around him.

Minny would be best served to get a 2nd look and franchise tag Darnold if possible. Where does that leave them with Justin Jefferson?

[powderblueboy]

Roman's renewed emphasis on calling play action has proven helpful (slows the pass rush, brings in the LBs, keeps eyes of corners/safeties in the backfield).

A lot of blind stabs here.

Point #1: New England's interior is not very good and the Chargers had 10 days to prepare
Point #2: Just one very good half against Denver

[electricgold]

IMHO, they haven't changed play calling. If you look at the video Kurt Warner made after the Bucs game, there were several plays where there were no TE's or RBs in the flat or at the LBer level. It was nothing but green grass that's because the TEs and RBs had to stay in and block. What's changed is the blocking has gotten better to allow the TEs and RBs to get out in their routes. Just look at how many short passes were made to the TEs and RBs the last 2 games.

Its much deeper! The teams with the good culture and coaches understand the season is a grind and what matters most is getting better every week until the end of the season and once you get there you need to be playing your best ball! Well that's what we all just witnessed year one under Jim Harbaugh here! Everyone in the league knows it! As opposed to the Raiders just hired TT & the 49ers signed Staley and then...... Well you know the rest.

[dmac_bolt]

Something happened with our play calling the past few games, no doubt about it...my theory is that Harbo upgraded Trestman to asst. playcaller, especially for pass plays...hence the brain trust of GroMarc Industries...delivering the goods by ground and air...

[BayAreaBoltz]

A lot of blind stabs here.

Point #1: New England's interior is not very good and the Chargers had 10 days to prepare
Point #2: Just one very good half against Denver

New England's bad interior, notwithstanding, from halftime at Denver and forward, Roman's play calling has changed.

[Bolts&noles]

A lot of blind stabs here.

Point #1: New England's interior is not very good and the Chargers had 10 days to prepare
Point #2: Just one very good half against Denver

Ya,I think we need to see it a little more.

Good sign yes but can they score more then 20 against the Ravens or Chiefs because they might need 30.

[Fouts2herbert]

New England's bad interior, notwithstanding, from halftime at Denver and forward, Roman's play calling has changed.

the play calling has looked different enough that people are assuming it's not Roman making the calls anymore...I think it's still Roman, I just think that it's taken this long for them to find their identity offensively...the offense is a lot more inclusive all of a sudden, they're spreading the wealth around more and people are executing better, it all goes hand in hand...

[Fouts2herbert]

San Fran fans might have changed, I doubt Shanarat Jr. has. How expensive will Purdy be? There is a definite limit that if exceeded will basically ruin that franchise for years.

I hope TT bites and dooms the Raiders for another decade. Sure, bring in another loser niner Super Bowl QB, whose performance was greatly amplified by the talent around him.

Minny would be best served to get a 2nd look and franchise tag Darnold if possible. Where does that leave them with Justin Jefferson?

Jefferson? what does he have to do with anything? you think they are going to make a QB decision based on what Jefferson wants?