Raiders at Chargers (Week 13) | Pre-game Discussion

[dmac_bolt]

Hard to say, and coaches generally are super reluctant about making such changes.
Its not just Boze vs. James, its how the interior works together with Boze or James, and there is precious little info on the latter.

They did have a 1 game sample size of Salyer at LT against the Titans.
Roman still went ahead and inserted Deculus over him, and then Penning .... who they closely monitored the week previous to the Jaguar debacle.

Did our eyes deceive us?

yeah, especially when it comes to OL, coaches can be weird and "continuity" obsessed (Boze) and yet then there's Deculus (huh?)

I did read two different guys on X who pretend to be sports journalists and say they "cover" the Chargers who said that coaching whispers were they didn't like Salyer's run blocking and thought Deculus would be a better run blocker than Salyer. Just my humble opinion - that is so stupid to warrant Gro's firing all on its own. I won't punish you and rehash my prior posts why I think they were very wrong.

[dmac_bolt]

Vs Jags we were not. Vs Steelers we were.Let's just get there, see what kind of shape we're in, who we draw for a first opponent and how they are playing. It's a little early to throw in the towel when we're 7-4.

I am Mr Sunshine around here, but I agree with PBB. Their OL is far too far from champion caliber and their defense has too many nobodies who Minter often (e.g PIT) but not always (err JAX, cough) gets to over-achieve. The oftens reduce and the not always increase when the schedule is reduced to only the best teams.

All I want to see is them get to the playoffs so they can claim 2 yrs in a row, first time in a long time. that will help with FA discussions and team energy and confidence in 2026. I don't expect them to go anywhere in the playoffs - even one WC win will be a pleasant extra holiday gift for me. But hey - its a funny oblong ball and it can bounce weird on anyone - just get out there and keep playing, I will welcome as many surprises as they can muster.

[Bolt4Knob]

yeah, especially when it comes to OL, coaches can be weird and "continuity" obsessed (Boze) and yet then there's Deculus (huh?)

I did read two different guys on X who pretend to be sports journalists and say they "cover" the Chargers who said that coaching whispers were they didn't like Salyer's run blocking and thought Deculus would be a better run blocker than Salyer. Just my humble opinion - that is so stupid to warrant Gro's firing all on its own. I won't punish you and rehash my prior posts why I think they were very wrong.

If the Chargers were a run first team - I would agree with that sentiment

The Chargers are a pass first team with Herbert -- the goal, I think I speak for 99.9% of this board is to maximize the opportunity to win, you need to give Herbert the best chance to succeed passing the ball.

So either quick hitters or max protection

[sonorajim]

If the Chargers were a run first team - I would agree with that sentiment

The Chargers are a pass first team with Herbert -- the goal, I think I speak for 99.9% of this board is to maximize the opportunity to win, you need to give Herbert the best chance to succeed passing the ball.

So either quick hitters or max protection

Chargers are best as a R/P offense. Success running sets up the pass and vice versa. % R / % P adjusted to opponents. That's a big part of giving Herbert the best chance passing.

[dmac_bolt]

Chargers are best as a R/P offense. Success running sets up the pass and vice versa. % R / % P adjusted to opponents. That's a big part of giving Herbert the best chance passing.

I think they are best as a P/R offense. I've seen them win a lot of games passing with no run game, rare is the game they can win without being able to pass. OH may change that over time, but for now the best 5 players on offense throw the ball (#1) or catch the ball (#2, 3, 4, and 5). jmo. This dream of being a run-first team cannot and will not happen with this OL - Gro better stop dreaming it can or will.

I disagreed with predictions they would run more than 50% of the time before the season. I'm glad to double down on that.

More AI "fun" - I asked Gemini - this is the stupid wrong answer it gave me below. Truth is they have ran 280 times and passed 388 times

The Chargers have run 463 rushing plays and 336 pass plays through the 2025 season, as of the provided stats. However, it's important to note these numbers may be incomplete as they do not account for all of their games.

• Rushing plays: 463
• Pass plays: 336

[sonorajim]

I think they are best as a P/R offense. I've seen them win a lot of games passing with no run game, rare is the game they can win without being able to pass. OH may change that over time, but for now the best 5 players on offense throw the ball (#1) or catch the ball (#2, 3, 4, and 5). jmo. This dream of being a run-first team cannot and will not happen with this OL - Gro better stop dreaming it can or will.

I disagreed with predictions they would run more than 50% of the time before the season. I'm glad to double down on that.

More AI "fun" - I asked Gemini - this is the stupid wrong answer it gave me below. Truth is they have ran 280 times and passed 388 times

The Chargers have run 463 rushing plays and 336 pass plays through the 2025 season, as of the provided stats. However, it's important to note these numbers may be incomplete as they do not account for all of their games.

• Rushing plays: 463
• Pass plays: 336

I never thought we would run over 50% of plays this season.
The current stat is 58% pass, 42% run. About what I expected. (388 pass atts, 280 runs thus far)
We need to do both more effectively.

[dmac_bolt]

I never thought we would run over 50% of plays this season.
The current stat is 58% pass, 42% run. About what I expected. (388 pass atts, 280 runs thus far)
We need to do both more effectively.

I believe you. Many here did though. I expected 55/45, they haven't run well enough at times to hit that rate.

[Velo]

Their OL is far too far from champion caliber and their defense has too many nobodies

Sounds like the 2021 Bengals.

[Topcat]

yeah, especially when it comes to OL, coaches can be weird and "continuity" obsessed (Boze) and yet then there's Deculus (huh?)

I did read two different guys on X who pretend to be sports journalists and say they "cover" the Chargers who said that coaching whispers were they didn't like Salyer's run blocking and thought Deculus would be a better run blocker than Salyer. Just my humble opinion - that is so stupid to warrant Gro's firing all on its own. I won't punish you and rehash my prior posts why I think they were very wrong.

Well, Deck DID have a decent game run-blocking for Vidal vs. the Steelers, but Deck's pass pro is awful...but when Salyer subbed for Slater a while back, he played decently, with serviceable pass pro...right now, I rate pass pro higher than run blocking, especially pass pro on Herbie's blind side...

[Caslon]

What could be more anemic than Roman’s passing plays last game. It was like he wasn’t even the Charger’s OC. The offense was unrecognizable.

[beachcomber]

tell me if I'm reading this wrong, and.... Salyer grades out markedly better @tackle than guard,

https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/jamaree-salyer/81656

his overall pff grade is approaching serviceable or just below avg, and.... that includes almost two thirds of his snaps @RG.

if you took those out of the equation, would he not be one of the ranking tackles in the League ??

why the hesitation Harbaugh ?? !!

[Charge!]

yeah, especially when it comes to OL, coaches can be weird and "continuity" obsessed (Boze) and yet then there's Deculus (huh?)

I did read two different guys on X who pretend to be sports journalists and say they "cover" the Chargers who said that coaching whispers were they didn't like Salyer's run blocking and thought Deculus would be a better run blocker than Salyer. Just my humble opinion - that is so stupid to warrant Gro's firing all on its own. I won't punish you and rehash my prior posts why I think they were very wrong.

continuity is great if the the OL was good to great!???.....BUT its not.....when its obvious that Bozeman, Johnson, and whoever plays RG have ZERO coordination on blitzes, stunts, etc.....it is LONG overdue to make changes!!!....but Roman loves Bozeman and bozeman is the best run blocker of the centers....leaving Herbert on his own trying to avoid getting killed.....