Over .500 against Chiefs

[Buck]

I think we were probably over .500 against the seachickens, but we finally are over .500 against one of our division opponents for the first time in ages!

I also read on CP that Elway, Fouts, and Rivers have the most wins over KC. Not sure the exact numbers, but it's nice to know he is in that category. Good company.

If only he didn't fumble the snap on Halloween in 2011!

[thelightningwill]

I think we were probably over .500 against the seachickens, but we finally are over
.500 against one of our division opponents for the first time in ages!

I also read on CP that Elway, Fouts, and Rivers have the most wins over KC. Not sure the exact numbers, but it's nice to know he is in that category. Good company.

If only he didn't fumble the snap on Halloween in 2011!

Cool. I remember a couple years ago we surpassed .500 as a franchise.

[Formula 21]

San Diego Chargers Franchise Encyclopedia

Regular Season Record (all-time) : 404-400-11
Playoff Record (all-time) : 10-16 (Last appearance after 2009 season)
Super Bowls Won: 0 out of 1 appearance
Championships Won: 1
Passing Leader (all-time): Dan Fouts - 43,040 yards
Rushing Leader (all-time): LaDainian Tomlinson - 12,490 yards
Receiving Leader (all-time): Lance Alworth - 9,584 yards
Winningest Coach (all-time): Sid Gillman - 86 wins
Top Player by Approximate Value (all-time): Dan Fouts - 162 AV

I would have bet that the Bolts had a losing record all time.

[TTK]

I would have bet that the Bolts had a losing record all time.

Winning record thanks to Norv.

[6025]

I would have bet that the Bolts had a losing record all time.

How does that "Approximate Value" rating work? I would think that LT would rank higher than Fouts.

[BlazingBolt]

I would have bet that the Bolts had a losing record all time.

Well if you take away there 10-4 record in Los Angeles they still have a losing record in San Diego if that makes you feel better.

[Formula 21]

How does that "Approximate Value" rating work? I would think that LT would rank higher than Fouts.

http://www.sports-reference.com/blog/approximate-value/

Approximate Value
Posted by Neil on June 14, 2013

Created by PFR founder Doug Drinen, the Approximate Value (AV) method is an attempt to put a single number on the seasonal value of a player at any position from any year (since 1950). The following links will help explain the theory behind the AV system:

Approximate Value: Methodology

Introductory Blog Posts:

Part I - this is where Doug explained, in very broad general terms, what his goal was in creating this metric, and what his strategy would be for building it.
Part II - this is where Doug explained, in fairly gruesome detail, how the system works for offensive players.
Parts III and IV were posted while Doug was fine-tuning the system for defensive players. He invited readers to give opinions on the results.
Here are a couple of examples of uses for the method. Studies like these would be hard to do without an AV-like method.

Doug's Brief AV Explanation:

"AV is not meant to be a be-all end-all metric. Football stat lines just do not come close to capturing all the contributions of a player the way they do in baseball and basketball. If one player is a 16 and another is a 14, we can't be very confident that the 16AV player actually had a better season than the 14AV player. But I am pretty confident that the collection of all players with 16AV played better, as an entire group, than the collection of all players with 14AV."

"Essentially, AV is a substitute for --- and a significant improvement upon, in my opinion --- metrics like 'number of seasons as a starter' or 'number of times making the pro bowl' or the like. You should think of it as being essentially like those two metrics, but with interpolation in between. That is, 'number of seasons as a starter' is a reasonable starting point if you're trying to measure, say, how good a particular draft class is, or what kind of player you can expect to get with the #13 pick in the draft. But obviously some starters are better than others. Starters on good teams are, as a group, better than starters on bad teams. Starting WRs who had lots of receiving yards are, as a group, better than starting WRs who did not have many receiving yards. Starters who made the pro bowl are, as a group, better than starters who didn't, and so on. And non-starters aren't worthless, so they get some points too."

Weighted Career Approximate Value

At the top of every player's PFR page, you will see "Weighted Career AV" and a ranking since 1950. This is Doug's way of balancing peak production against raw career totals; for each player, he computes the following weighted sum of seasonal AV scores:

100% of the player's best season, plus 95% of his 2nd-best season, plus 90% of his 3rd-best season, plus 85% of his 4th-best season, ....

And so on. You can read a more detailed explanation of this metric here.

(Note: "Weighted Career AV" should not be confused with "career AV", which is just the unweighted sum of a player's AV scores.)

Similar Players by AV

On a player's page, you may see a table marked "Similar Players". This uses a method Doug invented to find other players who were similar in terms of the quality and shape of their AV career arcs. You can read more about this process here and here.


this is interesting

Rk From To G Pos AV
1 Dan Fouts 1973 1987 181 QB 162
2 Junior Seau 1990 2002 200 LB 161
3 LaDainian Tomlinson 2001 2009 141 RB 145
4 Russ Washington 1968 1982 200 T 115
5 John Hadl 1962 1972 154 QB 113
6 Doug Wilkerson 1971 1984 195 G 113
7 Lance Alworth 1962 1970 110 FL 111
8 Philip Rivers 2006 2012 112 QB 111
9 Charlie Joiner 1976 1986 164 WR 100
10 Ron Mix 1960 1969 130 T 99
11 Antonio Gates 2003 2012 147 TE 97
12 Walt Sweeney 1963 1973 154 G 86
13 Gary Garrison 1966 1976 131 WR 85
14 Leslie O'Neal 1986 1995 133 DE 85
15 Don Macek 1976 1988 160 C 83
16 Gill Byrd 1983 1992 149 DB 77
17 Kris Dielman 2004 2011 114 G 76
18 Ed White 1978 1985 119 G 74
19 Jamal Williams 1998 2008 147 DT 74
20 Nick Hardwick 2004 2012 119 C 73
21 Gary Johnson 1975 1983 130 DT 72
22 Woodrow Lowe 1976 1986 164 LB 72
23 Kellen Winslow 1979 1987 109 TE 71
24 Billy Shields 1975 1983 127 T 68
25 Wes Chandler 1981 1987 94 WR 67
26 Quentin Jammer 2002 2012 172 DB 67
27 Earl Faison 1961 1966 67 DE 60
28 Louie Kelcher 1975 1982 92 DT 59
29 Shaun Phillips 2004 2012 136 DE 59

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/sdg/career-av.htm

[6025]

Very interesting, thanks.

[Panama]

Their team rankings for AV don't seem to jive with their NFL career rankings. On the team rankings, Fouts is the highest. League-wide, though, for career AV they have Junior ahead of Fouts and for weighted career AV LT and Junior (and Brees, fwiw) ahead of Fouts.

[Formula 21]

Their team rankings for AV don't seem to jive with their NFL career rankings. On the team rankings, Fouts is the highest. League-wide, though, for career AV they have Junior ahead of Fouts and for weighted career AV LT and Junior (and Brees, fwiw) ahead of Fouts.

It's just stats. But for me, longetivity and long term productivity have to mean something. Brees didn't even get a second contract here, so I put him way down the list.

[Panama]

It's just stats. But for me, longetivity and long term productivity have to mean something. Brees didn't even get a second contract here, so I put him way down the list.

As a Charger, absolutely, but these are league-wide career stats.

[MakoShark]

Winning record thanks to Norv.

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