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[Fouts2herbert]

This ESPN article is fantastic and it has a title that makes more sense than “kroenke refuses to pay relocation fees”

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32486646/los-angeles-rams-owner-stan-kroenke-angers-nfl-owners-financial-pivot-related-lawsuit-st-louis-move-sources-say

[UglyTruth]

[richpjr]

Yeah, we could have drafted Crosby at #91 in 2019. But we got Pipkins, so who's complaining?

We could have. So could every team in the NFL that passed on him multiple times. We all know how it turned out, but people don't have the luxury of hindsight when guessing how a player will turn out.

[Bolt4Knob]

Another terrible contract by the Steelers - they are going to have 2.3m of dead cap space. Signing Ingram was one thing - but he never worth "voidable years"

Steelers should go for the highest draft pick - who cares if the AFC or NFC

[jamrock]

I wouldn’t mind having him

[Velo]

We could have. So could every team in the NFL that passed on him multiple times. We all know how it turned out, but people don't have the luxury of hindsight when guessing how a player will turn out.

That's OK if you make a reasonable choice with the pick that you could have used on a player like Crosby. But when you use that pick on a player like Pipkins, who was a considerable reach and by all accounts could have been had later in the draft, it's not unreasonable to grouse. It's not really hindsight, we all knew the Pipkins pick was a mistake when it happened.

[UglyTruth]

We could have. So could every team in the NFL that passed on him multiple times. We all know how it turned out, but people don't have the luxury of hindsight when guessing how a player will turn out.

I don’t think anyone besides Telesco and maybe his few scouts liked choosing Pipkins that high.

[Fouts2herbert]

That's OK if you make a reasonable choice with the pick that you could have used on a player like Crosby. But when you use that pick on a player like Pipkins, who was a considerable reach and by all accounts could have been had later in the draft, it's not unreasonable to grouse. It's not really hindsight, we all knew the Pipkins pick was a mistake when it happened.

The only issue I have with the pipkins pick is that it calls into question TT’s qualifications as a GM, both at the time he made the pick and in the present. In the NFL everyone has hits and misses, everyone, but I’ve seen this happen before with awesome GMs (I like TT) where one strange move tarnishes their career and people end up forgetting all the good decisions they made. It’s really unfair but I think it’s part of the job. Making the situation worse is the fact that trey is still on the roster, had TT cut his losses this past summer after pipkins’ disastrous preseason, people would probably be well on there way towards forgetting the whole affair. keeping him on the roster not only undermines TTs credibility but it can’t sit well with the players themselves, all of them knowing that they’ve earned their place thru hard work and performance and here is this kid that clearly is not an NFL caliber player taking up a valuable roster spot, getting 3rd round pick money, and getting critical penalties on the select few plays he’s seen the field. It’s got to be demoralizing.

keeping a player like pipkins only compounds the original mistake. You got proven guys like rick wagner watching football on their couch right now that could provide better depth for this team. Not every back up needs to be a developmental prospect.

[Topcat]

The only issue I have with the pipkins pick is that it calls into question TT’s qualifications as a GM, both at the time he made the pick and in the present. In the NFL everyone has hits and misses, everyone, but I’ve seen this happen before with awesome GMs (I like TT) where one strange move tarnishes their career and people end up forgetting all the good decisions they made. It’s really unfair but I think it’s part of the job. Making the situation worse is the fact that trey is still on the roster, had TT cut his losses this past summer after pipkins’ disastrous preseason, people would probably be well on there way towards forgetting the whole affair. keeping him on the roster not only undermines TTs credibility but it can’t sit well with the players themselves, all of them knowing that they’ve earned their place thru hard work and performance and here is this kid that clearly is not an NFL caliber player taking up a valuable roster spot, getting 3rd round pick money, and getting critical penalties on the select few plays he’s seen the field. It’s got to be demoralizing.

keeping a player like pipkins only compounds the original mistake. You got proven guys like rick wagner watching football on their couch right now that could provide better depth for this team. Not every back up needs to be a developmental prospect.

TT has had MANY reaches over the years, not just Pip:

Teo was a reach and a semi-bust
Attaouchu was a reach and a bust
Mager was a reach and a bust
Tuerk was a reach and a bust

[Fouts2herbert]

TT has had MANY reaches over the years, not just Pip:

Teo was a reach and a semi-bust
Attaouchu was a reach and a bust
Mager was a reach and a bust
Tuerk was a reach and a bust

He’s also the same guy that drafted or signed all the superstars on this team:

keenan
joey
herbert
mike williams
slater
ekeler
derwin
White
tranquill
samuel
davis
adderly

[sdchrgrboy]

This ESPN article is fantastic and it has a title that makes more sense than “kroenke refuses to pay relocation fees”

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32486646/los-angeles-rams-owner-stan-kroenke-angers-nfl-owners-financial-pivot-related-lawsuit-st-louis-move-sources-say

I read somewhere that the league could award St. Louis a franchise to settle this. That would again make an odd number, so they would want to add a 34th team. Would be great if was SD. If the SD council had any canhones, they would have sued the league as well and forced Spanos to leave the name and colors behind like Cleveland did to Modell.

[UglyTruth]

He’s also the same guy that drafted or signed all the superstars on this team:

keenan
joey
herbert
mike williams
slater
ekeler
derwin
White
tranquill
samuel
davis
adderly

Adderly and White are not superstars lol. Their barely starter quality players. Samuel was benched for two games. Davis hasn’t been that good this season leading Staley to rotate CBs in the starter positions this season. Usually if you have a stud CB #1, you don’t rotate them you leave them in as the #1 guy at all times.

Only Allen, Bosa, Herbert and James are stars. The rest of them are very good starter quality players. Obviously some of them are very young so they may become stars in the future.