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  • DerwinBosa
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    What some scouts and executives are saying about the running backs in this draft:

    1. JONATHON BROOKS, Texas (6-0 ½, 214, no 40, 2-3): Third-year junior. “He’s not only a great person but he’s a really talented player,” one scout said. “They had brought in a guy with NIL money (CJ Baxter) and he still beat him out. They had those other backs (Bijan Robinson, Roschon Johnson) earlier in his career they tried to force in there but he was as good as they were. This guy’s a good player. He’s country, he’s tough and he’s fast. I’d say he’s a 4.4.” Carried just 51 times in 2021-’22 before delivering 1,139 yards in ’23. Suffered a torn ACL Nov. 11 against TCU and remains in rehabilitation. “You’ve got to worry about that,” a second scout said of the injury. “He was a really good player before that. He backed up Bijan Robinson, and when he came in the game there wasn’t much difference.” Finished with 238 carries for 1,479 yards (6.2-yard average) and 16 touchdowns. His reception total was 28. “He’s hurt but he’s good,” said a third scout. “Any other year he’d be a first-round dude. He catches, he runs, he’s got vision, he’s smooth. He’s got big-play ability. He’ll pound it in as well. I was never a huge Bijan guy so I don’t think there’s that much difference.” From Hallettsville, Texas.

    2. TREY BENSON, Florida State (6-0, 221, 4.42, 2-3): Helped himself considerably with a swift 40 at the combine. “I estimated 4.60,” said one scout. “He surprised me. I blew him big-time. More of a straight-line guy. I thought he was best as a receiver. He’s my third-down back the way he can catch the ball, he can run and he’s a strong runner. I don’t really see elusiveness.” As a freshman at Oregon in 2020 he suffered a torn ACL, additional ligament damage and cartilage damage in a December practice. Available for just six carries in 2021 before becoming a Seminole. Made second team All-Atlantic Coast Conference the past two years. “Good player – very consistent,” said a second scout. “He can do everything. He’s a starter.” Finished with 316 rushes for 1,917 (6.1) and 24 TDs to go with 33 receptions. “He could go in the top 60,” a third scout said. “If you need one you’ve got to take one at some point. He’s a viable second-round talent. He’s not that great in the passing game. Not a real natural catcher. He’s not a hammer. He’s not lacking toughness. He’s more slippery. But he’s fast and sudden, got really good feet, hits home runs. No wasted motion to his running style. He’s also 220. Has a chance to be a pretty good player.” From Greenville, Miss. “Another big back who runs hard with vision but no juice, no quickness, no explosiveness,” a third scout said. “He’s the exact opposite of (Frank) Gore. He’s got all the measurables and the 40 and size.”​

    3. BLAKE CORUM, Michigan (5-7 ½, 204, 4.53, 2-3): Started 29 of 45 games over four years, setting the Wolverines’ record for touchdowns from scrimmage with 61 (28 in 2023). “Love that kid,” one scout said. “Great pad level, tough, hard to tackle, very strong for his frame. Just not a home-run guy, but the NFL is made of guys like that on first and second down. He can play on third down because you can trust him in pass protection. He’ll be a playoff-style running back when you have to run the football. I would not be afraid to take him in the second, based on your roster. He has to stay healthy but trust me, he will do everything in the offseason to make sure he’s healthy. In the offseason, Blake Corum will be one of those guys who’s in the building every single day even if he doesn’t have to be. Character is off the charts.” Was in the running for the Heisman Trophy in 2022 before suffering ligament, cartilage and bone damage in a knee late in the season. Still finished seventh before being named the team’s MVP and toughest player by vote of his teammates. Started all 15 games in 2023 but his yards per carry dipped from 5.9 to 4.8. “I thought he lost just a tick from what he was playing at before the injury,” a second scout said. “Undersized and shifty. Shows good quickness, speed and vision. Just limited in the pass game. He’s a playmaker with the ball in his hands. Willing in pass pro. The size obviously is there but he’s not afraid to throw his body around. Not a natural route runner but he can catch it. There’s a shot for him to be a starter.” Finished with 675 carries for 3,737 (5.5) and 58 TDs but caught just 56 passes. “He’s faster than Emmitt Smith but Smith weighed 10 more pounds and was taller,” a third scout said. “Of all the players in this year’s draft, if I had to pick one player that I loved watching, (Jayden) Daniels would be first and Corum would be the second. I don’t know if the guy can last at that size. Emmitt Smith had the best balance of anyone and this guy has that same type of balance. The guy is a terrific player.” His 27 reps on the bench press led the position. “Other than size, I really like him,” said a fourth scout. “I don’t like that size. I think he’s strictly a strong backup.” From Marshall, Va.​

    4. JAYLEN WRIGHT, Tennessee (5-10 ½, 210, 4.38, 3): Third-year junior led the Volunteers in rushing the past two seasons in an Air Raid offense. “He’s a slippery, darter-type runner that is highly efficient,” one scout said. “Has speed, quickness and vengeance. Will finish runs. He’s tough. Not into dodging when the picture becomes cloudy. Can elude in tight spaces. Can get to daylight. Not a punishing runner but very proficient with his style. Functional as a receiver but not as a blocker. His weakness would be the power to move piles and break tackles, pass pro and routes.” Fastest back in the draft. “More of a big-play, straight-line guy,” said a second scout. “Does have good hands. Of all the backs, this guy might be the most explosive. He’s not elusive.” Finished with 368 carries for 2,297 (6.2) and 18 TDs plus 30 receptions. His 7.4 average in 2023 led FBS. “He’s fast but I’m not going there,” a third scout said. Led the top 25 backs in the broad jump (11-2). From Durham, N.C.

    5. BRAELON ALLEN, Wisconsin (6-1, 236, no 40, 3-4): Third-year junior. “God, I just wish he would show more,” one scout said. “There’s a ‘but’ that drives me crazy. It’s called consistency of domination. He doesn’t bring the hammer. He just doesn’t run big. He’s not Derrick Henry, by any means.” Finished with 597 carries for 3,494 (5.9) and 35 TDs to go with 49 catches. “Kind of a conundrum,” said a second scout. “For being a big, good-looking running back he doesn’t always play that way. There are times he thinks of himself as a 195-pound back, not a 230-pound back. The thing that’s concerning is his instincts and vision, which are pretty much a requirement for a running back. Some have it naturally. Maybe he’ll figure it out more as he gets a little older. He only played running back for the three seasons in college.” Recruited as a safety with a planned move to linebacker before injuries forced the Badgers to move him to RB almost immediately. One of the youngest players in the draft; turned 20 in January. “What’s interesting is he played his whole college career as a teenager,” said a third scout. “They ran more of a pro-style system with Paul Chryst and the kid was extremely productive two years in a row. This year, they switched to a shotgun-spread offense where he was a sidecar. There were a lot of delays. You go across, get the ball, then you go downhill. It did not fit his eye, so to speak. He still finished 16 yards from having 1,000 again. He is not the rolling ball of AJ Dillon but he’s got more foot agility and change of direction than Dillon. I think he’s got a chance to be pretty good because he is big and can break tackles. No, no, no, no, Derrick Henry is Secretariat. I think Allen would (run) 4.55.” Declined to run the 40 or shuttles at the combine or pro day. “I think he’s not running because he’s (slow),” said a fourth scout. “My biggest issue is what the speed would be and being up to that size. I wish he played more to his size, played nasty and ran guys over. But he is a big bitch to wrap up and bring down.” From Fond du Lac, Wis. “Poor man’s AJ Dillon,” said a fifth scout. “Take that for what it’s worth. He’s a big ol’ lumbering, straight-line guy that needs momentum to get going. He won’t make anyone miss with elusiveness or catching the ball. No, he’s not better than Ron Dayne. All those Wisconsin backs that ran for 2,000 yards a year and none of them are any good.”

    5. BRAELON ALLEN, Wisconsin (6-1, 236, no 40, 3-4): Third-year junior. “God, I just wish he would show more,” one scout said. “There’s a ‘but’ that drives me crazy. It’s called consistency of domination. He doesn’t bring the hammer. He just doesn’t run big. He’s not Derrick Henry, by any means.” Finished with 597 carries for 3,494 (5.9) and 35 TDs to go with 49 catches. “Kind of a conundrum,” said a second scout. “For being a big, good-looking running back he doesn’t always play that way. There are times he thinks of himself as a 195-pound back, not a 230-pound back. The thing that’s concerning is his instincts and vision, which are pretty much a requirement for a running back. Some have it naturally. Maybe he’ll figure it out more as he gets a little older. He only played running back for the three seasons in college.” Recruited as a safety with a planned move to linebacker before injuries forced the Badgers to move him to RB almost immediately. One of the youngest players in the draft; turned 20 in January. “What’s interesting is he played his whole college career as a teenager,” said a third scout. “They ran more of a pro-style system with Paul Chryst and the kid was extremely productive two years in a row. This year, they switched to a shotgun-spread offense where he was a sidecar. There were a lot of delays. You go across, get the ball, then you go downhill. It did not fit his eye, so to speak. He still finished 16 yards from having 1,000 again. He is not the rolling ball of AJ Dillon but he’s got more foot agility and change of direction than Dillon. I think he’s got a chance to be pretty good because he is big and can break tackles. No, no, no, no, Derrick Henry is Secretariat. I think Allen would (run) 4.55.” Declined to run the 40 or shuttles at the combine or pro day. “I think he’s not running because he’s (slow),” said a fourth scout. “My biggest issue is what the speed would be and being up to that size. I wish he played more to his size, played nasty and ran guys over. But he is a big bitch to wrap up and bring down.” From Fond du Lac, Wis. “Poor man’s AJ Dillon,” said a fifth scout. “Take that for what it’s worth. He’s a big ol’ lumbering, straight-line guy that needs momentum to get going. He won’t make anyone miss with elusiveness or catching the ball. No, he’s not better than Ron Dayne. All those Wisconsin backs that ran for 2,000 yards a year and none of them are any good.”​

    6. RAY DAVIS, Kentucky (5-8 ½, 208, 4.52, 3-4): In a five-year career at three schools he led Temple in rushing twice, Vanderbilt once and Kentucky once. “He runs hard as shit,” one scout said. “He’s a f------ load. He’s productive, and they (Kentucky) never have an O-line. Never. I don’t know where he goes but every time I saw him on tape he was making yards.” One of 15 children, he spent much of his youth living in homeless shelters and foster care. “Three transfers – I didn’t want to like the guy because of all the transfers,” a second scout said. “The difference between him and Corum is this guy is more explosive. Made some one-handed catches. Height is the only problem. That and he does take a little punishment. I would rather have Corum because I know what he does play after play, but this guy is tough and more explosive. He’ll be 25 (in November).” Finished with 746 carries for 3,626 (4.9) and 29 TDs plus 94 catches, including an FBS high of seven touchdown receptions for a RB in 2023. “I like him way more than Wright,” said a third scout. “Tough, tough, determined, competitive, strength, explosiveness.” From San Francisco.

    7. MARSHAWN LLOYD, Southern Cal (5-8 ½, 221, 4.45, 3-4): Fourth-year junior put in three years at South Carolina and 2023 at USC. “Fast guy with good hands,” one scout said. “His Senior Bowl was really good.” Redshirted in 2020 after suffering a torn ACL that August. “He had the ACL and played with a brace on his left knee,” said a second scout. “The vision’s not there, the feel’s not there. Just whatever’s ahead of you, run straight as hard as you can. If there’s a crease, you burst through. If there’s not, you get chopped down. Doesn’t know how to protect his body, doesn’t know how to (bounce), doesn’t know how to get skinny. Kind of a slasher with a crease. He’s a straight-line fast guy trying to play running back. I wouldn’t take him ‘til very late depending on how the knee checked out.” Finished with 291 carries for 1,621 (5.6) and 19 TDs to go with 34 receptions. “He’s really quick but he’s short,” a third scout said. “Two things I didn’t like was his height and the way he finishes. Strong lower body, excellent balance, catches the ball.” From Wilmington, Del.

    8. BUCKY IRVING, Oregon (5-9, 195, 4.56, 4): Third-year junior. “Nice little player,” said one scout. “He’s quick, and in that wide-open system he gets a lot of big holes. He’s got really good vision. Hands are good. Not a dynamic player (but) I like him as a rotational backup.” Led Minnesota in all-purpose yards as a freshman in 2021 but headed west in search of more playing time. In 2023, he led FBS running backs in receptions with 56. “That 40 (4.56) surprised me because I thought the one thing he could do was explode,” said a second scout. “Aggressive runner, strong for his size, good receiver out of the backfield. Reminded me of Clyde Edwards-Helaire.” Finished with 475 carries for 2,937 (6.2) and 20 TDs plus 95 receptions. From Chicago.

    9. WILL SHIPLEY, Clemson (5-11, 206, 4.45, 4-5): Third-year junior. “He kind of grows on you,” one scout said. “He’s going to need route-running refinement. He runs hard. He’s got a little talent. Fourth round.” Best year was 2022 when he rushed for a career-high 1,182 and caught a career-high 38. “Excellent runner, top receiver,” said a second scout. “Got hurt this year. A concussion against UNC and right knee against Kentucky. He alternated with (Phil) Mafah.” Finished with 526 carries for 2,748 (5.2) and 31 TDs plus 85 catches. “He’s OK,” a third scout said. “They run the stretch and that’s what he does best. He can follow his blocks. Got a little bit of burst. More straight line. Not really a tough guy. He ducks his head a lot on contact. Not a powerful guy. He likes the edges. If you got a crease, he’s got a little something to him. Finesse kind of runner. Hands are pretty good. He’ll go mid-rounds.” From Weddington, N.C.

    10. ISAAC GUERENDO, Louisville (6-0, 223, 4.43, 4-5): Started one game in a career that covered five seasons at Wisconsin and a finale for the Cardinals. Blew out the combine with the fast 40 and a 41 ½-inch vertical jump that led the position. “This guy can fly,” one scout said. “His stock’s been rising. I could see him going second round, I guess. Some people really like him.” Beset by injuries and surrounded by better players at Wisconsin, his busiest year was 2022 with a modest 64 carries and 17 receptions. Transferred to Louisville in 2023 and had 132 carries behind starter Jawhar Jordan. “He was overshadowed by Jawhar Jordan,” said a second scout. “He got lost in the sauce, so to speak.” But some teams like the fact he enters the NFL with merely 273 touches from scrimmage. “He’s still learning the position,” a third scout said. “I think he’s got a chance. He’s got size to do that.” Finished with 231 carries for 1,392 (6.0) and 17 TDs to go with 42 catches. “When he played at both places he played well,” a fourth scout said. “There must be a place for him. Key thing is he doesn’t have miles on his body. Excellent quickness and balance. One-cut downhill style. The only negative is he takes hits.” From Clayton, Ind.

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    • DerwinBosa
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      Originally posted by dmac_bolt View Post

      Whats the scout’s name? Sorry, I missed who he is.

      I actually watched that game. I’ll go by what I saw - I saw a blazing fast WR torch one of the best defenses in college. A defense that regularly throws 4+ defensive players into the NFL every year. There was little that troubled him that day, its pretty nit picky shit.
      If you actually watched that game you would notice that Nabers did most of his work running by Malachi Moore, who will be a fifth-year safety this fall.

      Bob McGinn has been writing his NFL Draft series since 1985. He quotes scouts who remain anonymous prior to the draft. He reveals who the scouts were and what they said when he writes about how the prospects end up years down the road.

      Here's the one on Malik Nabers again:

      2. MALIK NABERS, Louisiana State (6-0, 199, 4.44, 1): Third-year junior. “He’s that all-around, well-polished, freakishly athletic individual,” said one scout. “His traits just jump off the tape at you.” His pro day workout included a 42-inch vertical jump and 10-9 broad jump. “I absolutely love watching Malik Nabers,” a second scout said. “He’s not your typical size for an ‘X’ but he has the speed, the separation, routes and hands. Where he separates himself is run after catch. That’s what makes him such an exciting player. CeeDee Lamb is a little bit bigger; Nabers is more sudden and (has) better top-end speed.” A third scout graded him on a par with Justin Jefferson, another LSU product. “He’s powerful, he’s explosive and he can win at every level of route running, which makes him special as a high-floor player,” a fourth scout said. “He can run after the catch. He can run intermediate routes. He can track the deep ball.” Started 30 of 38 games. Finished with 189 catches for 3,003 (15.9) and 21 TDs. “He’s not Harrison,” a fifth scout said. “If you see that just ignore it. He’s more of the D.J. Moore kind of player. Thick running back build. He’s a good player, a really good player. I don’t think he has elite ball skills.” From Youngsville, La. “He is what he is right now,” said a sixth scout. “He’s topped out. Against the Alabama corners his production all came against zone coverage over the middle. When he was manned up he struggled. But he has straight dog in him once he catches the ball.”

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      • Boltjolt
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        Originally posted by DerwinBosa View Post
        What some scouts and executives are saying about the running backs in this draft:

        1. JONATHON BROOKS, Texas (6-0 ½, 214, no 40, 2-3): Third-year junior. “He’s not only a great person but he’s a really talented player,” one scout said. “They had brought in a guy with NIL money (CJ Baxter) and he still beat him out. They had those other backs (Bijan Robinson, Roschon Johnson) earlier in his career they tried to force in there but he was as good as they were. This guy’s a good player. He’s country, he’s tough and he’s fast. I’d say he’s a 4.4.” Carried just 51 times in 2021-’22 before delivering 1,139 yards in ’23. Suffered a torn ACL Nov. 11 against TCU and remains in rehabilitation. “You’ve got to worry about that,” a second scout said of the injury. “He was a really good player before that. He backed up Bijan Robinson, and when he came in the game there wasn’t much difference.” Finished with 238 carries for 1,479 yards (6.2-yard average) and 16 touchdowns. His reception total was 28. “He’s hurt but he’s good,” said a third scout. “Any other year he’d be a first-round dude. He catches, he runs, he’s got vision, he’s smooth. He’s got big-play ability. He’ll pound it in as well. I was never a huge Bijan guy so I don’t think there’s that much difference.” From Hallettsville, Texas.

        2. TREY BENSON, Florida State (6-0, 221, 4.42, 2-3): Helped himself considerably with a swift 40 at the combine. “I estimated 4.60,” said one scout. “He surprised me. I blew him big-time. More of a straight-line guy. I thought he was best as a receiver. He’s my third-down back the way he can catch the ball, he can run and he’s a strong runner. I don’t really see elusiveness.” As a freshman at Oregon in 2020 he suffered a torn ACL, additional ligament damage and cartilage damage in a December practice. Available for just six carries in 2021 before becoming a Seminole. Made second team All-Atlantic Coast Conference the past two years. “Good player – very consistent,” said a second scout. “He can do everything. He’s a starter.” Finished with 316 rushes for 1,917 (6.1) and 24 TDs to go with 33 receptions. “He could go in the top 60,” a third scout said. “If you need one you’ve got to take one at some point. He’s a viable second-round talent. He’s not that great in the passing game. Not a real natural catcher. He’s not a hammer. He’s not lacking toughness. He’s more slippery. But he’s fast and sudden, got really good feet, hits home runs. No wasted motion to his running style. He’s also 220. Has a chance to be a pretty good player.” From Greenville, Miss. “Another big back who runs hard with vision but no juice, no quickness, no explosiveness,” a third scout said. “He’s the exact opposite of (Frank) Gore. He’s got all the measurables and the 40 and size.”

        3. BLAKE CORUM, Michigan (5-7 ½, 204, 4.53, 2-3): Started 29 of 45 games over four years, setting the Wolverines’ record for touchdowns from scrimmage with 61 (28 in 2023). “Love that kid,” one scout said. “Great pad level, tough, hard to tackle, very strong for his frame. Just not a home-run guy, but the NFL is made of guys like that on first and second down. He can play on third down because you can trust him in pass protection. He’ll be a playoff-style running back when you have to run the football. I would not be afraid to take him in the second, based on your roster. He has to stay healthy but trust me, he will do everything in the offseason to make sure he’s healthy. In the offseason, Blake Corum will be one of those guys who’s in the building every single day even if he doesn’t have to be. Character is off the charts.” Was in the running for the Heisman Trophy in 2022 before suffering ligament, cartilage and bone damage in a knee late in the season. Still finished seventh before being named the team’s MVP and toughest player by vote of his teammates. Started all 15 games in 2023 but his yards per carry dipped from 5.9 to 4.8. “I thought he lost just a tick from what he was playing at before the injury,” a second scout said. “Undersized and shifty. Shows good quickness, speed and vision. Just limited in the pass game. He’s a playmaker with the ball in his hands. Willing in pass pro. The size obviously is there but he’s not afraid to throw his body around. Not a natural route runner but he can catch it. There’s a shot for him to be a starter.” Finished with 675 carries for 3,737 (5.5) and 58 TDs but caught just 56 passes. “He’s faster than Emmitt Smith but Smith weighed 10 more pounds and was taller,” a third scout said. “Of all the players in this year’s draft, if I had to pick one player that I loved watching, (Jayden) Daniels would be first and Corum would be the second. I don’t know if the guy can last at that size. Emmitt Smith had the best balance of anyone and this guy has that same type of balance. The guy is a terrific player.” His 27 reps on the bench press led the position. “Other than size, I really like him,” said a fourth scout. “I don’t like that size. I think he’s strictly a strong backup.” From Marshall, Va.

        4. JAYLEN WRIGHT, Tennessee (5-10 ½, 210, 4.38, 3): Third-year junior led the Volunteers in rushing the past two seasons in an Air Raid offense. “He’s a slippery, darter-type runner that is highly efficient,” one scout said. “Has speed, quickness and vengeance. Will finish runs. He’s tough. Not into dodging when the picture becomes cloudy. Can elude in tight spaces. Can get to daylight. Not a punishing runner but very proficient with his style. Functional as a receiver but not as a blocker. His weakness would be the power to move piles and break tackles, pass pro and routes.” Fastest back in the draft. “More of a big-play, straight-line guy,” said a second scout. “Does have good hands. Of all the backs, this guy might be the most explosive. He’s not elusive.” Finished with 368 carries for 2,297 (6.2) and 18 TDs plus 30 receptions. His 7.4 average in 2023 led FBS. “He’s fast but I’m not going there,” a third scout said. Led the top 25 backs in the broad jump (11-2). From Durham, N.C.

        5. BRAELON ALLEN, Wisconsin (6-1, 236, no 40, 3-4): Third-year junior. “God, I just wish he would show more,” one scout said. “There’s a ‘but’ that drives me crazy. It’s called consistency of domination. He doesn’t bring the hammer. He just doesn’t run big. He’s not Derrick Henry, by any means.” Finished with 597 carries for 3,494 (5.9) and 35 TDs to go with 49 catches. “Kind of a conundrum,” said a second scout. “For being a big, good-looking running back he doesn’t always play that way. There are times he thinks of himself as a 195-pound back, not a 230-pound back. The thing that’s concerning is his instincts and vision, which are pretty much a requirement for a running back. Some have it naturally. Maybe he’ll figure it out more as he gets a little older. He only played running back for the three seasons in college.” Recruited as a safety with a planned move to linebacker before injuries forced the Badgers to move him to RB almost immediately. One of the youngest players in the draft; turned 20 in January. “What’s interesting is he played his whole college career as a teenager,” said a third scout. “They ran more of a pro-style system with Paul Chryst and the kid was extremely productive two years in a row. This year, they switched to a shotgun-spread offense where he was a sidecar. There were a lot of delays. You go across, get the ball, then you go downhill. It did not fit his eye, so to speak. He still finished 16 yards from having 1,000 again. He is not the rolling ball of AJ Dillon but he’s got more foot agility and change of direction than Dillon. I think he’s got a chance to be pretty good because he is big and can break tackles. No, no, no, no, Derrick Henry is Secretariat. I think Allen would (run) 4.55.” Declined to run the 40 or shuttles at the combine or pro day. “I think he’s not running because he’s (slow),” said a fourth scout. “My biggest issue is what the speed would be and being up to that size. I wish he played more to his size, played nasty and ran guys over. But he is a big bitch to wrap up and bring down.” From Fond du Lac, Wis. “Poor man’s AJ Dillon,” said a fifth scout. “Take that for what it’s worth. He’s a big ol’ lumbering, straight-line guy that needs momentum to get going. He won’t make anyone miss with elusiveness or catching the ball. No, he’s not better than Ron Dayne. All those Wisconsin backs that ran for 2,000 yards a year and none of them are any good.”

        5. BRAELON ALLEN, Wisconsin (6-1, 236, no 40, 3-4): Third-year junior. “God, I just wish he would show more,” one scout said. “There’s a ‘but’ that drives me crazy. It’s called consistency of domination. He doesn’t bring the hammer. He just doesn’t run big. He’s not Derrick Henry, by any means.” Finished with 597 carries for 3,494 (5.9) and 35 TDs to go with 49 catches. “Kind of a conundrum,” said a second scout. “For being a big, good-looking running back he doesn’t always play that way. There are times he thinks of himself as a 195-pound back, not a 230-pound back. The thing that’s concerning is his instincts and vision, which are pretty much a requirement for a running back. Some have it naturally. Maybe he’ll figure it out more as he gets a little older. He only played running back for the three seasons in college.” Recruited as a safety with a planned move to linebacker before injuries forced the Badgers to move him to RB almost immediately. One of the youngest players in the draft; turned 20 in January. “What’s interesting is he played his whole college career as a teenager,” said a third scout. “They ran more of a pro-style system with Paul Chryst and the kid was extremely productive two years in a row. This year, they switched to a shotgun-spread offense where he was a sidecar. There were a lot of delays. You go across, get the ball, then you go downhill. It did not fit his eye, so to speak. He still finished 16 yards from having 1,000 again. He is not the rolling ball of AJ Dillon but he’s got more foot agility and change of direction than Dillon. I think he’s got a chance to be pretty good because he is big and can break tackles. No, no, no, no, Derrick Henry is Secretariat. I think Allen would (run) 4.55.” Declined to run the 40 or shuttles at the combine or pro day. “I think he’s not running because he’s (slow),” said a fourth scout. “My biggest issue is what the speed would be and being up to that size. I wish he played more to his size, played nasty and ran guys over. But he is a big bitch to wrap up and bring down.” From Fond du Lac, Wis. “Poor man’s AJ Dillon,” said a fifth scout. “Take that for what it’s worth. He’s a big ol’ lumbering, straight-line guy that needs momentum to get going. He won’t make anyone miss with elusiveness or catching the ball. No, he’s not better than Ron Dayne. All those Wisconsin backs that ran for 2,000 yards a year and none of them are any good.”

        6. RAY DAVIS, Kentucky (5-8 ½, 208, 4.52, 3-4): In a five-year career at three schools he led Temple in rushing twice, Vanderbilt once and Kentucky once. “He runs hard as shit,” one scout said. “He’s a f------ load. He’s productive, and they (Kentucky) never have an O-line. Never. I don’t know where he goes but every time I saw him on tape he was making yards.” One of 15 children, he spent much of his youth living in homeless shelters and foster care. “Three transfers – I didn’t want to like the guy because of all the transfers,” a second scout said. “The difference between him and Corum is this guy is more explosive. Made some one-handed catches. Height is the only problem. That and he does take a little punishment. I would rather have Corum because I know what he does play after play, but this guy is tough and more explosive. He’ll be 25 (in November).” Finished with 746 carries for 3,626 (4.9) and 29 TDs plus 94 catches, including an FBS high of seven touchdown receptions for a RB in 2023. “I like him way more than Wright,” said a third scout. “Tough, tough, determined, competitive, strength, explosiveness.” From San Francisco.

        7. MARSHAWN LLOYD, Southern Cal (5-8 ½, 221, 4.45, 3-4): Fourth-year junior put in three years at South Carolina and 2023 at USC. “Fast guy with good hands,” one scout said. “His Senior Bowl was really good.” Redshirted in 2020 after suffering a torn ACL that August. “He had the ACL and played with a brace on his left knee,” said a second scout. “The vision’s not there, the feel’s not there. Just whatever’s ahead of you, run straight as hard as you can. If there’s a crease, you burst through. If there’s not, you get chopped down. Doesn’t know how to protect his body, doesn’t know how to (bounce), doesn’t know how to get skinny. Kind of a slasher with a crease. He’s a straight-line fast guy trying to play running back. I wouldn’t take him ‘til very late depending on how the knee checked out.” Finished with 291 carries for 1,621 (5.6) and 19 TDs to go with 34 receptions. “He’s really quick but he’s short,” a third scout said. “Two things I didn’t like was his height and the way he finishes. Strong lower body, excellent balance, catches the ball.” From Wilmington, Del.

        8. BUCKY IRVING, Oregon (5-9, 195, 4.56, 4): Third-year junior. “Nice little player,” said one scout. “He’s quick, and in that wide-open system he gets a lot of big holes. He’s got really good vision. Hands are good. Not a dynamic player (but) I like him as a rotational backup.” Led Minnesota in all-purpose yards as a freshman in 2021 but headed west in search of more playing time. In 2023, he led FBS running backs in receptions with 56. “That 40 (4.56) surprised me because I thought the one thing he could do was explode,” said a second scout. “Aggressive runner, strong for his size, good receiver out of the backfield. Reminded me of Clyde Edwards-Helaire.” Finished with 475 carries for 2,937 (6.2) and 20 TDs plus 95 receptions. From Chicago.

        9. WILL SHIPLEY, Clemson (5-11, 206, 4.45, 4-5): Third-year junior. “He kind of grows on you,” one scout said. “He’s going to need route-running refinement. He runs hard. He’s got a little talent. Fourth round.” Best year was 2022 when he rushed for a career-high 1,182 and caught a career-high 38. “Excellent runner, top receiver,” said a second scout. “Got hurt this year. A concussion against UNC and right knee against Kentucky. He alternated with (Phil) Mafah.” Finished with 526 carries for 2,748 (5.2) and 31 TDs plus 85 catches. “He’s OK,” a third scout said. “They run the stretch and that’s what he does best. He can follow his blocks. Got a little bit of burst. More straight line. Not really a tough guy. He ducks his head a lot on contact. Not a powerful guy. He likes the edges. If you got a crease, he’s got a little something to him. Finesse kind of runner. Hands are pretty good. He’ll go mid-rounds.” From Weddington, N.C.

        10. ISAAC GUERENDO, Louisville (6-0, 223, 4.43, 4-5): Started one game in a career that covered five seasons at Wisconsin and a finale for the Cardinals. Blew out the combine with the fast 40 and a 41 ½-inch vertical jump that led the position. “This guy can fly,” one scout said. “His stock’s been rising. I could see him going second round, I guess. Some people really like him.” Beset by injuries and surrounded by better players at Wisconsin, his busiest year was 2022 with a modest 64 carries and 17 receptions. Transferred to Louisville in 2023 and had 132 carries behind starter Jawhar Jordan. “He was overshadowed by Jawhar Jordan,” said a second scout. “He got lost in the sauce, so to speak.” But some teams like the fact he enters the NFL with merely 273 touches from scrimmage. “He’s still learning the position,” a third scout said. “I think he’s got a chance. He’s got size to do that.” Finished with 231 carries for 1,392 (6.0) and 17 TDs to go with 42 catches. “When he played at both places he played well,” a fourth scout said. “There must be a place for him. Key thing is he doesn’t have miles on his body. Excellent quickness and balance. One-cut downhill style. The only negative is he takes hits.” From Clayton, Ind.
        Not sure what kind of scout watches Benson play and says he thought he was a 4.6 guy lol. I'd question that guys eyes. Seems he got a bit of a bum rap from a couple of those guys. He runs hard, isn't easy to bring down...and in space he is fast.

        So ...I like Benson , Wright, Brooks, Corum and Davis. Didn't realize Davis is 24.

        Brooks id have #1 if it weren't for his knee so if we draft him and he will be ready....I'm great with it. Corum because I'm sure Harbaugh is high in him. Wright, ...like I've said has a little Pacheco in him the way he runs but agree with them,...not really so much elusive, just hit it, fight for yards and c-ya of he has a hole.

        Not big on Lloyd, Shipley or Guerendo. Indifferent on Allen.
        Sounds a little like Kalen Ballage we had in 2020 who was 230 lbs and had little power. But you don't really see it in Allen's tape because they are all highlights. Also figured he would be more a 4.6 guy as they suspect that's why he didn't run. One scout called him a poor man's AJ Dillon. . .ouch.

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          Originally posted by charger1_sj View Post
          Too much hype on us getting #11, 23 from the Vikings. It's not happening unless the Vikings throw in more picks.
          I want all of the above and one of their 4th rounders and a 2nd or 3rd rounder next year...actually, that's reasonable...

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            Originally posted by Topcat View Post

            I want all of the above and one of their 4th rounders and a 2nd or 3rd rounder next year...actually, that's reasonable...
            Hortiz said he wasn’t going to be reasonable the other day…

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              Trey Benson is going to be the best RB of this draft class and if he's still on the board when the Chargers pick at #69 in the 3rd round Hortiz needs to take him. Agree or disagree?

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                What some scouts and executives are saying about the running backs in this draft:

                1. JONATHON BROOKS, Texas (6-0 ½, 214, no 40, 2-3): Third-year junior. “He’s not only a great person but he’s a really talented player,” one scout said. “They had brought in a guy with NIL money (CJ Baxter) and he still beat him out. They had those other backs (Bijan Robinson, Roschon Johnson) earlier in his career they tried to force in there but he was as good as they were. This guy’s a good player. He’s country, he’s tough and he’s fast. I’d say he’s a 4.4.” Carried just 51 times in 2021-’22 before delivering 1,139 yards in ’23. Suffered a torn ACL Nov. 11 against TCU and remains in rehabilitation. “You’ve got to worry about that,” a second scout said of the injury. “He was a really good player before that. He backed up Bijan Robinson, and when he came in the game there wasn’t much difference.” Finished with 238 carries for 1,479 yards (6.2-yard average) and 16 touchdowns. His reception total was 28. “He’s hurt but he’s good,” said a third scout. “Any other year he’d be a first-round dude. He catches, he runs, he’s got vision, he’s smooth. He’s got big-play ability. He’ll pound it in as well. I was never a huge Bijan guy so I don’t think there’s that much difference.” From Hallettsville, Texas.

                2. TREY BENSON, Florida State (6-0, 221, 4.42, 2-3): Helped himself considerably with a swift 40 at the combine. “I estimated 4.60,” said one scout. “He surprised me. I blew him big-time. More of a straight-line guy. I thought he was best as a receiver. He’s my third-down back the way he can catch the ball, he can run and he’s a strong runner. I don’t really see elusiveness.” As a freshman at Oregon in 2020 he suffered a torn ACL, additional ligament damage and cartilage damage in a December practice. Available for just six carries in 2021 before becoming a Seminole. Made second team All-Atlantic Coast Conference the past two years. “Good player – very consistent,” said a second scout. “He can do everything. He’s a starter.” Finished with 316 rushes for 1,917 (6.1) and 24 TDs to go with 33 receptions. “He could go in the top 60,” a third scout said. “If you need one you’ve got to take one at some point. He’s a viable second-round talent. He’s not that great in the passing game. Not a real natural catcher. He’s not a hammer. He’s not lacking toughness. He’s more slippery. But he’s fast and sudden, got really good feet, hits home runs. No wasted motion to his running style. He’s also 220. Has a chance to be a pretty good player.” From Greenville, Miss. “Another big back who runs hard with vision but no juice, no quickness, no explosiveness,” a third scout said. “He’s the exact opposite of (Frank) Gore. He’s got all the measurables and the 40 and size.”

                3. BLAKE CORUM, Michigan (5-7 ½, 204, 4.53, 2-3): Started 29 of 45 games over four years, setting the Wolverines’ record for touchdowns from scrimmage with 61 (28 in 2023). “Love that kid,” one scout said. “Great pad level, tough, hard to tackle, very strong for his frame. Just not a home-run guy, but the NFL is made of guys like that on first and second down. He can play on third down because you can trust him in pass protection. He’ll be a playoff-style running back when you have to run the football. I would not be afraid to take him in the second, based on your roster. He has to stay healthy but trust me, he will do everything in the offseason to make sure he’s healthy. In the offseason, Blake Corum will be one of those guys who’s in the building every single day even if he doesn’t have to be. Character is off the charts.” Was in the running for the Heisman Trophy in 2022 before suffering ligament, cartilage and bone damage in a knee late in the season. Still finished seventh before being named the team’s MVP and toughest player by vote of his teammates. Started all 15 games in 2023 but his yards per carry dipped from 5.9 to 4.8. “I thought he lost just a tick from what he was playing at before the injury,” a second scout said. “Undersized and shifty. Shows good quickness, speed and vision. Just limited in the pass game. He’s a playmaker with the ball in his hands. Willing in pass pro. The size obviously is there but he’s not afraid to throw his body around. Not a natural route runner but he can catch it. There’s a shot for him to be a starter.” Finished with 675 carries for 3,737 (5.5) and 58 TDs but caught just 56 passes. “He’s faster than Emmitt Smith but Smith weighed 10 more pounds and was taller,” a third scout said. “Of all the players in this year’s draft, if I had to pick one player that I loved watching, (Jayden) Daniels would be first and Corum would be the second. I don’t know if the guy can last at that size. Emmitt Smith had the best balance of anyone and this guy has that same type of balance. The guy is a terrific player.” His 27 reps on the bench press led the position. “Other than size, I really like him,” said a fourth scout. “I don’t like that size. I think he’s strictly a strong backup.” From Marshall, Va.​

                4. JAYLEN WRIGHT, Tennessee (5-10 ½, 210, 4.38, 3): Third-year junior led the Volunteers in rushing the past two seasons in an Air Raid offense. “He’s a slippery, darter-type runner that is highly efficient,” one scout said. “Has speed, quickness and vengeance. Will finish runs. He’s tough. Not into dodging when the picture becomes cloudy. Can elude in tight spaces. Can get to daylight. Not a punishing runner but very proficient with his style. Functional as a receiver but not as a blocker. His weakness would be the power to move piles and break tackles, pass pro and routes.” Fastest back in the draft. “More of a big-play, straight-line guy,” said a second scout. “Does have good hands. Of all the backs, this guy might be the most explosive. He’s not elusive.” Finished with 368 carries for 2,297 (6.2) and 18 TDs plus 30 receptions. His 7.4 average in 2023 led FBS. “He’s fast but I’m not going there,” a third scout said. Led the top 25 backs in the broad jump (11-2). From Durham, N.C.

                5. BRAELON ALLEN, Wisconsin (6-1, 236, no 40, 3-4): Third-year junior. “God, I just wish he would show more,” one scout said. “There’s a ‘but’ that drives me crazy. It’s called consistency of domination. He doesn’t bring the hammer. He just doesn’t run big. He’s not Derrick Henry, by any means.” Finished with 597 carries for 3,494 (5.9) and 35 TDs to go with 49 catches. “Kind of a conundrum,” said a second scout. “For being a big, good-looking running back he doesn’t always play that way. There are times he thinks of himself as a 195-pound back, not a 230-pound back. The thing that’s concerning is his instincts and vision, which are pretty much a requirement for a running back. Some have it naturally. Maybe he’ll figure it out more as he gets a little older. He only played running back for the three seasons in college.” Recruited as a safety with a planned move to linebacker before injuries forced the Badgers to move him to RB almost immediately. One of the youngest players in the draft; turned 20 in January. “What’s interesting is he played his whole college career as a teenager,” said a third scout. “They ran more of a pro-style system with Paul Chryst and the kid was extremely productive two years in a row. This year, they switched to a shotgun-spread offense where he was a sidecar. There were a lot of delays. You go across, get the ball, then you go downhill. It did not fit his eye, so to speak. He still finished 16 yards from having 1,000 again. He is not the rolling ball of AJ Dillon but he’s got more foot agility and change of direction than Dillon. I think he’s got a chance to be pretty good because he is big and can break tackles. No, no, no, no, Derrick Henry is Secretariat. I think Allen would (run) 4.55.” Declined to run the 40 or shuttles at the combine or pro day. “I think he’s not running because he’s (slow),” said a fourth scout. “My biggest issue is what the speed would be and being up to that size. I wish he played more to his size, played nasty and ran guys over. But he is a big bitch to wrap up and bring down.” From Fond du Lac, Wis. “Poor man’s AJ Dillon,” said a fifth scout. “Take that for what it’s worth. He’s a big ol’ lumbering, straight-line guy that needs momentum to get going. He won’t make anyone miss with elusiveness or catching the ball. No, he’s not better than Ron Dayne. All those Wisconsin backs that ran for 2,000 yards a year and none of them are any good.”

                5. BRAELON ALLEN, Wisconsin (6-1, 236, no 40, 3-4): Third-year junior. “God, I just wish he would show more,” one scout said. “There’s a ‘but’ that drives me crazy. It’s called consistency of domination. He doesn’t bring the hammer. He just doesn’t run big. He’s not Derrick Henry, by any means.” Finished with 597 carries for 3,494 (5.9) and 35 TDs to go with 49 catches. “Kind of a conundrum,” said a second scout. “For being a big, good-looking running back he doesn’t always play that way. There are times he thinks of himself as a 195-pound back, not a 230-pound back. The thing that’s concerning is his instincts and vision, which are pretty much a requirement for a running back. Some have it naturally. Maybe he’ll figure it out more as he gets a little older. He only played running back for the three seasons in college.” Recruited as a safety with a planned move to linebacker before injuries forced the Badgers to move him to RB almost immediately. One of the youngest players in the draft; turned 20 in January. “What’s interesting is he played his whole college career as a teenager,” said a third scout. “They ran more of a pro-style system with Paul Chryst and the kid was extremely productive two years in a row. This year, they switched to a shotgun-spread offense where he was a sidecar. There were a lot of delays. You go across, get the ball, then you go downhill. It did not fit his eye, so to speak. He still finished 16 yards from having 1,000 again. He is not the rolling ball of AJ Dillon but he’s got more foot agility and change of direction than Dillon. I think he’s got a chance to be pretty good because he is big and can break tackles. No, no, no, no, Derrick Henry is Secretariat. I think Allen would (run) 4.55.” Declined to run the 40 or shuttles at the combine or pro day. “I think he’s not running because he’s (slow),” said a fourth scout. “My biggest issue is what the speed would be and being up to that size. I wish he played more to his size, played nasty and ran guys over. But he is a big bitch to wrap up and bring down.” From Fond du Lac, Wis. “Poor man’s AJ Dillon,” said a fifth scout. “Take that for what it’s worth. He’s a big ol’ lumbering, straight-line guy that needs momentum to get going. He won’t make anyone miss with elusiveness or catching the ball. No, he’s not better than Ron Dayne. All those Wisconsin backs that ran for 2,000 yards a year and none of them are any good.”​

                6. RAY DAVIS, Kentucky (5-8 ½, 208, 4.52, 3-4): In a five-year career at three schools he led Temple in rushing twice, Vanderbilt once and Kentucky once. “He runs hard as shit,” one scout said. “He’s a f------ load. He’s productive, and they (Kentucky) never have an O-line. Never. I don’t know where he goes but every time I saw him on tape he was making yards.” One of 15 children, he spent much of his youth living in homeless shelters and foster care. “Three transfers – I didn’t want to like the guy because of all the transfers,” a second scout said. “The difference between him and Corum is this guy is more explosive. Made some one-handed catches. Height is the only problem. That and he does take a little punishment. I would rather have Corum because I know what he does play after play, but this guy is tough and more explosive. He’ll be 25 (in November).” Finished with 746 carries for 3,626 (4.9) and 29 TDs plus 94 catches, including an FBS high of seven touchdown receptions for a RB in 2023. “I like him way more than Wright,” said a third scout. “Tough, tough, determined, competitive, strength, explosiveness.” From San Francisco.

                7. MARSHAWN LLOYD, Southern Cal (5-8 ½, 221, 4.45, 3-4): Fourth-year junior put in three years at South Carolina and 2023 at USC. “Fast guy with good hands,” one scout said. “His Senior Bowl was really good.” Redshirted in 2020 after suffering a torn ACL that August. “He had the ACL and played with a brace on his left knee,” said a second scout. “The vision’s not there, the feel’s not there. Just whatever’s ahead of you, run straight as hard as you can. If there’s a crease, you burst through. If there’s not, you get chopped down. Doesn’t know how to protect his body, doesn’t know how to (bounce), doesn’t know how to get skinny. Kind of a slasher with a crease. He’s a straight-line fast guy trying to play running back. I wouldn’t take him ‘til very late depending on how the knee checked out.” Finished with 291 carries for 1,621 (5.6) and 19 TDs to go with 34 receptions. “He’s really quick but he’s short,” a third scout said. “Two things I didn’t like was his height and the way he finishes. Strong lower body, excellent balance, catches the ball.” From Wilmington, Del.

                8. BUCKY IRVING, Oregon (5-9, 195, 4.56, 4): Third-year junior. “Nice little player,” said one scout. “He’s quick, and in that wide-open system he gets a lot of big holes. He’s got really good vision. Hands are good. Not a dynamic player (but) I like him as a rotational backup.” Led Minnesota in all-purpose yards as a freshman in 2021 but headed west in search of more playing time. In 2023, he led FBS running backs in receptions with 56. “That 40 (4.56) surprised me because I thought the one thing he could do was explode,” said a second scout. “Aggressive runner, strong for his size, good receiver out of the backfield. Reminded me of Clyde Edwards-Helaire.” Finished with 475 carries for 2,937 (6.2) and 20 TDs plus 95 receptions. From Chicago.

                9. WILL SHIPLEY, Clemson (5-11, 206, 4.45, 4-5): Third-year junior. “He kind of grows on you,” one scout said. “He’s going to need route-running refinement. He runs hard. He’s got a little talent. Fourth round.” Best year was 2022 when he rushed for a career-high 1,182 and caught a career-high 38. “Excellent runner, top receiver,” said a second scout. “Got hurt this year. A concussion against UNC and right knee against Kentucky. He alternated with (Phil) Mafah.” Finished with 526 carries for 2,748 (5.2) and 31 TDs plus 85 catches. “He’s OK,” a third scout said. “They run the stretch and that’s what he does best. He can follow his blocks. Got a little bit of burst. More straight line. Not really a tough guy. He ducks his head a lot on contact. Not a powerful guy. He likes the edges. If you got a crease, he’s got a little something to him. Finesse kind of runner. Hands are pretty good. He’ll go mid-rounds.” From Weddington, N.C.

                10. ISAAC GUERENDO, Louisville (6-0, 223, 4.43, 4-5): Started one game in a career that covered five seasons at Wisconsin and a finale for the Cardinals. Blew out the combine with the fast 40 and a 41 ½-inch vertical jump that led the position. “This guy can fly,” one scout said. “His stock’s been rising. I could see him going second round, I guess. Some people really like him.” Beset by injuries and surrounded by better players at Wisconsin, his busiest year was 2022 with a modest 64 carries and 17 receptions. Transferred to Louisville in 2023 and had 132 carries behind starter Jawhar Jordan. “He was overshadowed by Jawhar Jordan,” said a second scout. “He got lost in the sauce, so to speak.” But some teams like the fact he enters the NFL with merely 273 touches from scrimmage. “He’s still learning the position,” a third scout said. “I think he’s got a chance. He’s got size to do that.” Finished with 231 carries for 1,392 (6.0) and 17 TDs to go with 42 catches. “When he played at both places he played well,” a fourth scout said. “There must be a place for him. Key thing is he doesn’t have miles on his body. Excellent quickness and balance. One-cut downhill style. The only negative is he takes hits.” From Clayton, Ind.
                He surprised me. I blew him big-time​
                Hey-yo! Thats more info than I need …
                “Less is more? NO NO NO - MORE is MORE!”

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                  Originally posted by dmac_bolt View Post



                  Hey-yo! Thats more info than I need …
                  DerwinBosa Trey Benson ran a 4.39 40 at the Combine.

                  NFL Scouting Combine and Pro Day scores, percentiles and metrics for Trey Benson, RB, Florida State.

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                    In this year's class, there are 3 WRs and 1 TE rated in the top 10. PFF has all four of them rated in the top 7. When was the last draft that so many pass catchers were rated this highly? I can't remember another draft like it.

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                      Originally posted by charger1_sj View Post
                      Too much hype on us getting #11, 23 from the Vikings. It's not happening unless the Vikings throw in more picks.
                      What about this hype?



                      I guess we will be one of the teams drafting a QB. I read it on the internet so it must be true!

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                        Originally posted by Jack Burton View Post

                        Hortiz said he wasn’t going to be reasonable the other day…
                        So, what DID he say? He'll want a premium or something? I think it's all positioning. When u have a rare commodity, u start out asking high, then come down a bit...
                        (sometimes...)

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                        • Topcat
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                          • Jan 2019
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                          Originally posted by Velo View Post
                          Trey Benson is going to be the best RB of this draft class and if he's still on the board when the Chargers pick at #69 in the 3rd round Hortiz needs to take him. Agree or disagree?
                          I would strongly consider that...we need a real Bell Cow to finish up our RB committee...
                          (and the other 2 dudes are pretty good also...)

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