2024 Chargers Draft Superthread - Prospect Discussion - Draft Has Started

[Formula 21]

Our defensive backfield is not doing well so

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[ghost]

Was just thinking that yesterday during the game, first thing a real GM would do tothis club is get a lockdown corner, trade up if you must, but get that guy to make defending their best player on offense, easier.

If you'll remember, I wanted WR Addison for the purpose of replacing Keenan Allen. We would have been better served trading up for a CB in 2023.

[Charge!]

Our defensive backfield is not doing well so

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nice variety of players..... Bama CB's are pretty good....

unless this team suddenly matures, we will likely be drafting much higher than that..... maybe top 5 or 10....

is there a mica Parsons type of impact defender?

[beachcomber]

Was just thinking that yesterday during the game, first thing a real GM would do tothis club is get a lockdown corner, trade up if you must, but get that guy to make defending their best player on offense, easier.

If you'll remember, I wanted WR Addison for the purpose of replacing Keenan Allen. We would have been better served trading up for a CB in 2023.

last time I looked, Kalen King looks to be that guy, albeit am squarely in the ED camp atm, w/the either of Bralen Trice or Laiatu Latu.

[beachcomber]

Yes, IDL is definitely on the list.
If Mack is waived (due to cap) then we are in jeopardy of being thin @EDGE depth.
If KA is waived (again due to cap) then MW, QJ, Palmer, and DD looks fairly good.
But with Herbert being the key, I'd add another WR in order to be deep there @WR.
Gerald Everett will be gone next year, too.

With Austin Johnson gone, Tito fills that role. SJD, Fox, Tito, Matlock seems fairly deep. Maybe a bigger IDL (4th round?) to give Tito a back-up?

personally wouldn't waive the either of Mack nor Allen, and do think Derius Davis might be a really good one there, and....

am seeing ED, OG, and LB as the first three selections, based on from what I can tell to date ??

would move on from Bosa 'n MW, w/Keenan, QJ, Palmer and Davis being plenty good, and w/Tui, Mack, Rumph and a draft pick being just fine on the Edge.

for the IDL, eye like Jerrod Clark and Okoye bolstering things for the if and when need be ??

also like Dorrance Armstrong in FA, along w/Cesar Ruiz for the OC, and w/Eli Cox as my depth piece in the draft there.

[beachcomber]

I expect we'll be picking around #32.

We'll be losing a WR and an EDGE (because of cap problems). We'll also probably be losing Vato.
EDGE, CB and WR (BPA) would be my guess.

personal opinion would be Vato is a priority FA resign next offseason.

[beachcomber]

IDL early is a priority. AJ is a UFA and will be 30, SJD will be 29 with one year left not guaranteed, $7.5M poss cap savings if he doesnt ball out this year and prove he should be kept thru his contract.

Edge definitely in play. And Staley loves him some DBs. Strongly doubt WR early - they just drafted 2. They will keep one of KA/MW plus have Palmer, Q, and DD still. Thats a Quattro before looking at their PS, UDFA crop or other options.

CO converts 4th n 2, inside TCU 35 …

we've got the bodies for the DL.... Otito, Day, Fox, Matlock, Jerrod Clark, Okoye.... ???

and there looks to be some CB talent in this draft, but am an Edge guy before DB personally, 'specially when there might be a coupla few that would seem to make good Chargers ??

and agree on WR, albeit Moore is still a bit of a wildcard when it comes to draft day, not to mention young John....

[ghost]

personal opinion would be Vato is a priority FA resign next offseason.

Is that with a new GM? I ask as percentage of 0-2 teams to start the season is 11%. I was already told speculation concerning John Spanos' role is unfounded, that does not also mean I will not speculate about how to build an NFL roster through the draft.

So I am proceeding as if there is a new GM for the first time twelve seasons. I swing the meat-ax on defense first. New MIKE LB to replace Kenneth Murray II, and CJ Jackson waived. New safety. Then an EDGE in free agency as Chase Young is coming on the market. And then I trade Joey Bosa. We know Khalil Mack is retiring. Eric Kendricks was a one-year deal, IMO. Move on.

Corners. Did you see what the Commanders did, they went 1 + 2 DBs. Emmanuel Forbes, Jartavius Martin So are the Chargers. Derwin James can still lead the defense.

I am out from under the previous roster, and free to rebuild the defense. I hollered pretty loud Micah Parsons was a monster. The next Micah Parsons is out there, let's go find him.

[dmac_bolt]

I’m sure many watched UCo vs CO State? I did, what a rowdy game. A guy popped on the screen for me - CO State’s QB would be a nice latter round add to finally get a backup with an NFL arm. Not sure he’s getting the National rep to get taken early but his arm is legit.

[Boltnut]

personally wouldn't waive the either of Mack nor Allen, and do think Derius Davis might be a really good one there, and....

am seeing ED, OG, and LB as the first three selections, based on from what I can tell to date ??

would move on from Bosa 'n MW, w/Keenan, QJ, Palmer and Davis being plenty good, and w/Tui, Mack, Rumph and a draft pick being just fine on the Edge.

for the IDL, eye like Jerrod Clark and Okoye bolstering things for the if and when need be ??

also like Dorrance Armstrong in FA, along w/Cesar Ruiz for the OC, and w/Eli Cox as my depth piece in the draft there.

I only chose Mack and Allen because they give you the most space ($46+ million).
I love Keenan... so if MW was the cut (instead of Allen) I'd sign on for that.

Over The Cap currently has us @$30 million OVER the cap for 2024... Of course, that's only 40 players on the active roster.
Cutting MW and Mack (Bosa only saves us $14.4 mil) saves us $43.25 million.

With those moves, we'd be $13.25 million under the cap... with 38 on the active roster.
I don't see how we re-sign Vato, Austin Johnson, Gerald Everett, and Austin Ekeler.

Cutting JCJ saves $4.4 million
Cutting SJD saves $7.5 million
Cutting Corey Linsley saves $8.9 million
Cutting Eric Kendricks saves $6.5 million

I'm not promoting any of those cuts... I like SJD and Linsley a lot and think they have value in the trenches.

[Fleet 1]

Who to watch in college football’s big games: September 23rd

September 21, 2023
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#4 Florida State (3-0) at Clemson (2-1); Noon ET; ABC … One of the key questions in college football to be answered this fall was ‘Are the Seminoles indeed back?’ And so far, the returns have been mostly positive, although the ‘Noles did almost let last week’s win over lowly Boston College get away from them. However, Saturday’s huge ACC encounter with Clemson, which has pretty much dominated the conference the past few years should answer some of those questions. Florida State certainly has the talent to get it done including star DE Jared Verse (#5, 6-4, 260), an explosive edge rusher with top 5-10 potential, although he only has a ½ sack to date so far this season. Meanwhile, WR Keon Coleman (#4, 6-4, 215) could join Verse in the top half of next April’s opening round as he has emerged as one of the hottest receivers in this year’s draft class; like Verse, though, he hasn’t really put up big numbers in the ‘Noles 3 games to date (12 catches, 170 yards), although he has 4 TDs. The ‘Noles also have a number of other players with late first/early second round potential in WRs Johnny Wilson (#14, 6-2, 240) and CB Fentrell Cypress (#23, 6-0, 190), while QB Travis Jordan (#13, 6-1, 215), RB Trey Benson (#3, 6-0, 225), TE Jaheim Bell (#6, 6-3, 240), DTs Fabian Lovett (#0, 6-3, 320) and Braden Fiske (#55, 6-4, 300), OT Robert Scott (#52, 6-5, 315) and S Akeem Dent (#1, 6-0, 190) are all solid veterans with mid-to-late round grades.

These are somewhat uncharted waters for Clemson as the Tigers are no longer the automatic top dog in the ACC. In fact, the Tigers were only the 5th highest ranked team in the conference in this week’s AP poll. However, one should never sleep on sleeping Tigers as Clemson is still very talented, especially on defence. Indeed, the Tigers may have the best MLB combo in college football in Jeremiah Trotter (#54, 6-0, 230) and Barrett Carter (#0, 6-1, 230), both of whom should get first-round consideration next April. The Tigers also have a solid defensive front anchored by veteran DTs Tyler Davis (#13, 6-2, 300) and Ruke Orhororo (#33, 6-3, 290), along with DE Xavier Thomas (#3, 6-4, 245). For the record, both DTs are solid late second-day prospects, while Thomas, once the top recruit in the country who has battled injuries throughout his Clemson career, is something of a wild card.For good measure, Clemson also features a deep secondary including safeties RJ Mickens (#9, 6-0, 210) and Jalyn Phillips (#25, 6-1, 205) and corners Nate Wiggins (#2, 6-2, 185), Andrew Mukuba (#1, 6-0, 195) and Sheridan Jones (#6, 6-0, 190). Wiggins is the star of the unit and pro scouts are anxious to see him match-up against the talented FSU wideouts. On the other hand, RB Will Shipley (#1, 5-11, 210) is the Tigers only real prospect on the other side of the ball; however, he’s a good one who is also a major threat catching the ball out of the backfield, while veteran C Will Putnam (56, 6-4, 310) and OG Walker Parks (#64, 6-4, 310) could get some later round looks. How the Tigers fare against the Noles, at least from an offensive perspective, will depend largely on sophomore QB Cade Klubnik (#2, 6-2, 205) stepping up.


#19 Colorado (3-0) at #11 Oregon (3-0); 3:30 PM ET; Fox … Resurgent Colorado has been the talk of college football since the arrival of new head coach Deion Sanders; however, we’ll find out on Saturday whether the Buffalos are just a feel good story or whether they can in fact compete for conference and national honors as they’ll play at Oregon, one of the favorites in the very competitive Pac-12 this fall. And coach Prime is not the only Sanders creating a buzz in Colorado as his son Shedeur is arguably the early season leader in the race for the Heisman Trophy as the younger Sanders has shown that he can play with the big boys after tearing up the FCS ranks the past couple of years at Jackson State. Needless to say, Sanders (#2, 6-2, 205), the QB, has also caught the attention of pro scouts as he is currently on pace to throw for almost 5,000 this fall as he has completed 79% of his passes to date including 10 for TDs against just one pick. Unfortunately, Sanders won’t have his favorite target against the Ducks as sophomore WR/CB Travis Hunter, a leading candidate to be a high pick in 2025, is out for several weeks after he was hit late after an incompletion in last week’s in-state rivalry game with Colorado State.

While Colorado has been grabbing all the headlines, the Ducks have been quietly piling up the points with an explosive offence led by veteran QB bo Nix (#10, 6-2, 220), who has some legitimate Heisman aspirations of his own; indeed, Nix, who started his career at Auburn before transferring the Northwest, has posted numbers pretty close to the Buffs’ Sanders including a 78% completion rate and 8 TDs with no picks. Nix also figures to get some serious opening round consideration of his own next April. Nix, though, is the Ducks only real first-round prospect, although it is still a veteran team with a number of second-day candidates including scatback Bucky Irving (#0, 5-10, 195), big-play WR Troy Franklin (#11, 6-2, 180), and DEs Brandon Dorius (#3, 6-3, 290) and Jordan Burch (#1, 6-6, 275), while G/T Ajani Cornelius (#55, 6-4, 320), LB Jestin Jacobs (#4, 6-3, 245), WR Tez Johnson (#15, 5-10, 170), and safety Evans Williams (#33, 6-1, 205) are later round prospects.


#6 Ohio State (3-0) at #9 Notre Dame (4-0); 7:30 PM ET; NBC … Of course, any time these two are scheduled to meet on the football field it’s going to be a red-circle date. However Saturday’s encounter in South Bend takes on added meaning as both are unbeaten and ranked in the top ten. Pro scouts have certainly red-circled this game as it should feature one of the most intriguing individual match-ups of the early season when Notre Dame OT John Alt (#76, 6-7, 325), one of the top prospects in this year’s draft class period, goes up against Ohio State DE J.T. Tuimoloau (#44, 6-4, 275), who has some top ten aspirations of his own, although he is still looking for his first sack of the year. In fact, the Buckeyes have arguably the top overall draft class for 2023 with prospects at just about every position including WR where they have the consensus top non-QB candidate overall in Marvin Harrison (#18, 6-4, 205), who is averaging almost 22 yards per catch to date this fall. Indeed, the Ohio State WR room, which also includes Emeka Egbuka (#2, 6-1, 210), who has some top 10-15 potential of his own, and veteran Julian Fleming (#4, 6-2, 210), may be the best in the country. Same story for the Buckeyes’ defensive line which features three possible first rounders including Tuimoloau, along with fellow DE Jack Sawyer (#33, 6-4, 265) and DT Michael Hall (#51, 6-2, 290). Meanwhile, CB Denzel Burke (#10, 6-1, 195), yet another mid-to-late first round candidate, along with veteran safeties Luther Ranson (#8, 6-1, 210) and Josh Proctor (#41, 6-1, 205) head the secondary, while Tommie Eichenberg (#35, 6-2, 240) cleans up MLB. Back on offence, RB Tre’Veyon Henderson (#32, 5-10, 215) should be one of the first RBs off the board next April if he is healthy after missing most of the 2022 campaign with a broken foot, while Cade Stover (#8, 6-4, 255) is a reliable TE. The Buckeyes have had to replace both starting OTs, but return one of the best OG tandems in the country in Donovan Jackson (#74, 6-4, 320) and Matt Jones (#55, 6-4, 315).


Notre Dame doesn’t necessarily have the same draft talent as Ohio State, but along with Alt the Irish do have a couple of rising stars in QB Sam Hartman (#10, 6-1, 215) and RB Audric Estime (#7, 5-11, 230). Hartman, in fact, may be the top Heisman candidate playing east of the Mississippi these days as he has completed 71% of his pass attempts including 13 for TDs versus zero picks since transferring over from Wake Forest, while Estime has been something of a revelation as he is on pace to run for over 1,500 yards and 15 TDs this fall. Also, along with Alt, the Irish have one of the best sets of bookend OTs in the country as RT Blake Fisher (#54, 6-6, 315) is also a good one, while LB Jack Kiser (#24, 6-2, 240), safety Xavier Woods (#0, 6-0, 205) and CB Cam Hart (#5, 6-2, 210) head the defence, although sophomore CB Ben Morrison (#20, 6-0, 190), who won’t be draft eligible until 2025, may be the unit’s best player. In fact, Morrison may the Irish’s best prospect period other than Alt.

[La Costa Boy]

Our defensive backfield is not doing well so

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Diggin the Ladd McConkey from JoJa.