2024 Chargers Draft Superthread - Prospect Discussion - Draft Has Started

[C'monchargers]

Round 3 at worst. I think he will go round 2.
He isn't having a great day today but the entire FL st offense isn't having a good day.....thus far.
Granted Benson isn't quite the tier I'd put Breece Hall at.

Benson just busts loose for a 38 yard TD as I type this. Dude has some wheels.

Its nothing unexpected. Besides Trey and Co smashing Miami last year and Miami owning FSU for 2 years from 2019-2020; historically the game winning margins between the 2 more likely than not doesn't hit double digit. These rivals play more or less more conservative with each other unless they are blown out. But its games like this that you get to see less creative game calling and more honest football. Hint, I don't recall seeing many if any 2 back set today but mostly more standard set ups.

Personally I find it hilarious during the first long TD run that got called back at the 39 when Trey step out of bound, initially when Trey caught the toss, the commentator utter "Oh FSU is in trouble" then Trey took off and he change 180 immediately and said "Oh now Miami is in trouble."

Also, to be honest it is not a secret that FSU like to hit the boundery side and after Trey busted them on the boundery side for that long gain, miami absolutely stack the boundery side and really trying to take away the bread and butter. It worked for a bit then dude hit hit them in the A gap and break of a long TD untouched. At that moment miami is overly commited on the boundery side since they got beat there before and Trey give them the cut back to the A gap and just out talent them. That's 2 big gain under totally different circumstances.

[dmac_bolt]

Round 3 at worst. I think he will go round 2.
He isn't having a great day today but the entire FL st offense isn't having a good day.....thus far.
Granted Benson isn't quite the tier I'd put Breece Hall at.

Benson just busts loose for a 38 yard TD as I type this. Dude has some wheels.

He’s a bull against college kids. I’m not sure NFL pros will let him push them around as much, most of them were men against boys too. I havent seen the lateral quickness like a Hall or Bijan but I haven’t watched much tape. He’s a strong man out there and he does get up to speed. I’m not writing him off at all, my questions were in good faith, I just don’t know enough. I think you are right Rd 2 or 3.

[NOrvMeNow]

Jags made an offer i couldnt refuse. These are pointless since rankings are so far off pre ASG/Cobine/PD.

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Is Kamari Lassiter related to Charger great Kwame Lassiter?

[NOrvMeNow]

thinkin' Benson goes day three/round four.... also suspect there is a better back that we like day two/round three ??

Agree.

[NOrvMeNow]

I also don't think they go WR first round and depending on their decision on M. Davis they might need a man on man corner to pair with Asante Samuel Jr. which is becoming a stud zone corner. At the moment some ranked coleman at 2nd, some like Odunze, some like Nabers footwork and elusiveness; it is very unclear who the second guy is.

You know this coming draft is precisely why I was not very high on the Johnston pick. I need to be careful here not shade him too much becuae he is our guy and absolutely got the potential to develop into somebody really good. But my thinking was last year's draft they have polished WR that can produce immediately, although they might not have the prototypical sizes but they are ballers; but the Chargers chose to go with a project. Well if they did then I assume they know of the talent coming out in 2024 and that the Chargers feel as with QJ improvement, by the next draft (2024) he will be better than most of those dude. Otherwise the project is not playing out because whatever the Chargers had in mind of what QJ can be, you can draft off the shelves in 2024.

I can't shake the idea off my mind that I was watching a small forward in basketball playing football, a Paul George at that. Minimal contact, try to win with speed and finesse. Well unfortunately that doesn't work in football because body contact is very much allowed in football. Maybe one thing would help him is the idea of "offensive foul" like the ones in basketball doesn't exsist in football and he needs to have some hubris on his physical capability.

Also, I keep seeing peple knocking Herbert for not giving QJ the looks; I think a completion takes 2 to tango. If Herbert's feel as if QJ can't handle a contested catch then naturally he would go to a guy that he can rely on. Can't count on somebody all the time when a 75% ball becomes 50-50 all the time. They keep speaking on giving QJ some sweeps and in space, isn't dude 6'4"? I don't know too many teams wants to get their 6'4" guy on the sweep all the time; he has a very high center of gravity and run very upright, that's a bad recipe for anything within the first 5yd since defense can check him very hard and slow him down.

I don't want to go any further on this but QJ need to prove to the team that he can make himself a big target and can hold up well during contested catches.

Quentin Johnston needs to become a downfield target or he's a waste of a draft pick period.
Everything else in his game should feed off of that.

So far nothing, in his few opportunities.

I like Coleman a lot more than Benson .... not afraid to consider double dipping.

[beachcomber]

what pops out about Benson are the superlatives, and rather unusual for an oversized back.... return specialist feel for things in open space, (not quite an) Olympic sprinter, slippery, can return kicks, 50/50 chance defender is gonna miss tackle on him, and.... those are just the headlines.

he's a valuable asset against light boxes and 2high safeties, could be a check down special, puts an incessant wear 'n tear on defensive back 7, relishes pass pro, and is a workhorse back that can still get from 0 to 60 in a rush.

he would obviously be our long needed Thunder to whatever scatback we bring in, he projects to be a 1k rusher in the Pros, is a playmaker, has interior vision, and comes w/low mileage.

as a Chargers/FO sidebar, he played at a Catholic HS and was a 2x team captain there.... just sayin'

the cautionary tale is that he tore his ACL, MCL and meniscus as a freshman, and took his sophomore year to recover, which begs the question as to how much of an injury concern is he ?? the other question is how much of a stiff is he ??

some see him as a top 5/early day two consideration and in the mix for RB1.... he seems to have the desired mindset, albeit he was quiet against Duke, and avg against the likes of LSU, BC & Clemson.

can easily/obviously see the appeal here, and.... personally, think I prefer to take my chances w/Raheim Sanders ??

the other consideration, @least for myself, is if we could get a second in trade for Bosa, or a third for MW, would he make more sense then ??

personally think we will be looking RB round three, and again personally suspect that's his midline, and where his value lies ??

he's not on my watchlist, but could understand taking your chances before the end of day two ??

[C'monchargers]

what pops out about Benson are the superlatives, and rather unusual for an oversized back.... return specialist feel for things in open space, (not quite an) Olympic sprinter, slippery, can return kicks, 50/50 chance defender is gonna miss tackle on him, and.... those are just the headlines.

he's a valuable asset against light boxes and 2high safeties, could be a check down special, puts an incessant wear 'n tear on defensive back 7, relishes pass pro, and is a workhorse back that can still get from 0 to 60 in a rush.

he would obviously be our long needed Thunder to whatever scatback we bring in, he projects to be a 1k rusher in the Pros, is a playmaker, has interior vision, and comes w/low mileage.

as a Chargers/FO sidebar, he played at a Catholic HS and was a 2x team captain there.... just sayin'

the cautionary tale is that he tore his ACL, MCL and meniscus as a freshman, and took his sophomore year to recover, which begs the question as to how much of an injury concern is he ?? the other question is how much of a stiff is he ??

some see him as a top 5/early day two consideration and in the mix for RB1.... he seems to have the desired mindset, albeit he was quiet against Duke, and avg against the likes of LSU, BC & Clemson.

can easily/obviously see the appeal here, and.... personally, think I prefer to take my chances w/Raheim Sanders ??

the other consideration, @least for myself, is if we could get a second in trade for Bosa, or a third for MW, would he make more sense then ??

personally think we will be looking RB round three, and again personally suspect that's his midline, and where his value lies ??

he's not on my watchlist, but could understand taking your chances before the end of day two ??

Fair and it would be a lot to type to break down all those games. But lets take the Clemsons game and digest it a little. Although it might seems like he ain't done jack in that game on paper, But he carry the ball 7 times and caught 3, a total of 10 touches and he got 5 first downs. And he was hit almost every single time at or before the line of scrimmage. I think only twice he got through the LOS without meeting anybody but even then he got pass maybe 1 yard before being hit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9XMIZK2pIM

And as you can see, he hit the boundary here too,that's just how they play and that line ain't elite.. It's almost like yeah,"I am going there and you know it, and I am getting it." some team might be able to stop that since its quite one dimensional in that regard but that's not on him if they want to make him work in the tightest place on the field on the regular. I will mention this once more that in college the boundary side is only 20 yard wide and he got over 10 bodies their to navigate through. He got no issue with the A gaps when the blocking is decent so that's translatable to NFL since NFL hashmark only 13 yard apart thus making plays way more central. His usual boundary side would be much wider in NFL and the field side would have less angle for defense to pounce.

[C'monchargers]

Lastly before I log out of the Trey Benson convo for the foreseeable future, fun facts, regardless of your sentiment toward PFF Trey Benson is rate 0.51 forced missed tackle per attempt..... If I rememebr correctly that is the best in the past 10 YEARS.

[Boltjolt]

what pops out about Benson are the superlatives, and rather unusual for an oversized back.... return specialist feel for things in open space, (not quite an) Olympic sprinter, slippery, can return kicks, 50/50 chance defender is gonna miss tackle on him, and.... those are just the headlines.

he's a valuable asset against light boxes and 2high safeties, could be a check down special, puts an incessant wear 'n tear on defensive back 7, relishes pass pro, and is a workhorse back that can still get from 0 to 60 in a rush.

he would obviously be our long needed Thunder to whatever scatback we bring in, he projects to be a 1k rusher in the Pros, is a playmaker, has interior vision, and comes w/low mileage.

as a Chargers/FO sidebar, he played at a Catholic HS and was a 2x team captain there.... just sayin'

the cautionary tale is that he tore his ACL, MCL and meniscus as a freshman, and took his sophomore year to recover, which begs the question as to how much of an injury concern is he ?? the other question is how much of a stiff is he ??

some see him as a top 5/early day two consideration and in the mix for RB1.... he seems to have the desired mindset, albeit he was quiet against Duke, and avg against the likes of LSU, BC & Clemson.

can easily/obviously see the appeal here, and.... personally, think I prefer to take my chances w/Raheim Sanders ??

the other consideration, @least for myself, is if we could get a second in trade for Bosa, or a third for MW, would he make more sense then ??

personally think we will be looking RB round three, and again personally suspect that's his midline, and where his value lies ??

he's not on my watchlist, but could understand taking your chances before the end of day two ??

All the above is very well stated. I agree with ...well most of it. if not all. Even the possible trades of Bosa and MW, and did that, for those picks in my first roster build and draft. So I agree ......except to say, Bensons knee looks fine to me.

Frank Gore tore both ACLs and missed really 3 seasons and then went on to play , what??....19 NFL seasons? Some crazy number for a RB anyways if that isn't correct.

ACL tears don't bother me. Online them to a Tommy John surgery for pitchers in which they replace the ACL ligament and Ulner ligament with a tendon.

They will always come back and these day they seem to come back better, less worry about testing it as it isn't there,. . Though I don't know what happened to OBJ in that regard.

Javonte Williams tore his ACL and MCL last year and is back and looking stronger every week.

The only injury in the knee that bothers me some is the meniscus. And that depends on how bad it was.

They don't repair those per se, they cut out the torn area and throw it away. They don't heal back together because there is no blood flow in the meniscus.

Cut out alot and they COULD develope arthritis at an early age. But chances are it won't.

Gurley had other knee issues that caused his.

I'm no Dr of course but I read about these often and watch the good Dr about injuries on YouTube....and had meniscus tears in both my knees and of course was told the procedure.

So .....I'm not worried about his past injuries he had as a freshman. He looks good and strong to me.
The guy can take the ball to the house on any play. That's what he brings and has good size.

This RB class isn't that great compared to the last couple but there are a couple guys early I'd like to get as I've wanted us to do the past 3 years.

I'm interested to know what RBs in round three do you like over Benson?
I just think he is a round 2 guy but sure ....he could not do something at the combine and drop to round 3 but it won't be because he ran slow and I just doubt he goes that far down.

I don't know if he will run in the 4.3s.....and don't care. 4.4 to 4.45 Is good imo.

Got nothing against Rahirm Sanders, but he isn't Benson and not the pass protector Benson is either.
Another 4th round RB...we haven't had much luck there. Well 3rd round I guess you see him as. I see 4th- 5th. And he has only played in 4 games this year so he has been hurt but don't know what he injured.
I know you love Kelly ...well there I guess i disagree lol.
He has been better but he isn't a RB #1 imo . I'd only bring him back cheap like under 2 mil.

[Fleet 1]

Texas RB Jonathan Brooks, who had emerged this fall as one of the top prospects at the position for the 2024 draft, tore an ACL in Saturday’s win over TCU and will miss the rest of the year. It’s also now pretty much a given that Brooks, who currently is 6th in the country in rushing, will not be entering the upcoming draft, but will be returning to school after rehabbing the injury.

[dmac_bolt]

MY Aztecs got Hoke to resign after yet another dismal game played poorly. which is good, his current recruiting classes are the worst they have had in well over a decade and they are getting tossed around all over the field by MWC bottom dwellers. no word leaking on the details of his exit package, he signed a 5 year contract last year and SDSU can't afford to pay coaches an extra 4 years after leaving.

[Riverwalk]

I have no doubt Telesco will spend the top picks on skill positions like CB and WR but what this team really needs is an upgrade in the Trenches.

Our OL and DL gets pushed around at will by the opposition and it makes it harder for Herbert, RB’s, CB’s, LB’s, and Safeties.