2024 Chargers Draft Superthread - Prospect Discussion - Draft Has Started

[SAY OW 55]

Herbert NEEDS a head coach and coaching staff who can teach the offensive line to block. He NEEDS a better running game to complement him. The team overall NEEDS to be better in the trenches if it wants to be great. Taking Brock Bowers won't make the impact we NEED in that area.

With Bosa injured nearly every season now, Mack stating he almost retired last offseason, Sebastian Joseph-Day set to become a free agent in 2025, and Austin Johnson on the last year of his contract, the defensive line you're overrating (are you kidding with Morgan Fox?) NEEDS to be restocked. Right now we have ONE young talent on the defensive line who looks like he's a keeper beyond 2025. ONE in Tuli.

Look at what the 49ers have on their current defensive line--Nick Bosa, Chase Young, Arik Armstead, Javon Kinlaw, Javon Hargrave, and Drake Jackson. That's three first-round picks (Bosa, Armstead, and Kinlaw), a second-round pick (Jackson), a high-priced free agent (Hargrave), and a trade for the second overall pick in the 2020 NFL Draft (Young) they've invested in the defensive line. Besides Armstead and Hargrave, who are 30, the rest of that group is 26 and younger.

The Philadelphia Eagles have placed a similar value on the defensive line, with Fletcher Cox, Brandon Graham, Jordan Davis, and Jalen Carter all being first-round picks. They also hit on Josh Sweat in the fourth round and made a very intelligent signing of Haasan Reddick. Cox and Graham are on the back nine, and Reddick is 29, but Davis is 23, Carter is 22, and Sweat is 26.

Brock Bowers is a great talent at the college level who COULD be an All-Pro in the NFL. Herbert doesn't NEED him to be great, though. I haven't researched the tight ends in the upcoming draft, but I think Herbert would do just fine with someone comparable to Sam LaPorta, Michael Mayer, or Luke Musgrave, all tight ends who were drafted in the second round last April. And as I stated earlier, Travis Kelce (third round), George Kittle (fifth round), Mark Andrews (third round), Jake Ferguson (fourth round), and Darren Waller (sixth round) were all drafted after the second round. Much like running backs, you can get a very good tight end after the first round because it's not nearly as valued as other positions, so they tend to drop.

If we're going to use a top ten pick on Brock Bowers, he better be Tony Gonzalez and not Eric Ebron (picked 10th overall by the Lions and played only four years in Detroit before moving on to Indianapolis and Pittsburgh). That's not a risk I want to take.

You leave out that the 49ers have George Kittle Debo Samuel Christian Mcafrey Brandon Aiuk great weapons.

we’re did we get Tutu???? Second round Khalil had had a tremendous bounce back season. And your talking about a unit that got what 10 sacks against the jets and 8 sacks against the Raiders. This team has got home all season. It’s a strength of this team. When we’re on we are on.

Latu is not a guy you run and draft in the 1st round. He’s not Nick Bosa. Yes I saw Tony Gonzalez when he was at Cal. Guess what we had a chance to pick him.

Bowers is as good. Watch the tape against one of the best defenses Michigan. Bowers won that game. He’s not Eric Ebron.

I would put Eric Ebron in the Kyle Pitts Territory. This guys more Megatron Calvin Johnson. Runs legit 4-5 in the 40. He’s Vernon Davis but he’s 6-4 Vernon Davis was 6-2. He’s Gronk with speed. I want that.

[Lone Bolt]

I want to move up to #3 if he's there...waiting till #8 ensures he's gone by then...

I appreciate that MHjr is a helluva talent that would be hard to pass on if he is there when we pick...but I aint moving up with all those other blue chip players that will likely be available...especially if Bowers is there.

[beachcomber]

You’re confident that both CHI and AZ have decided they are settled in their franchise Qb status, really?

of course not.... have no idea, and.... just personally would feel more secure/safer in picking Marvin rather than Caleb, and guessing they have some investment, emotional or otherwise in Fields ?? and would prolly take Bowers on top of Marvin, albeit Chicago could use an OT, and....

do think Odunze is a good match w/Murray, and am under the impression that contractually, it's difficult for Az to part ways w/Kyler quite yet.... ??

all that said, and yes.... there is def a quandry surrounding both QBs ability to be that franchise QB for their respective franchises.

[Boltjolt]

Mack and Bosa are both gone in 2025 IMO. Take an Edge if you fall in love with one. Plus three top 10 OTs are there. It’s a solid draft at the top. Trade down to the 12 to 15 range if you want Bowers. Take a premium position player if you stay in the top 10.

Maybe...thing is we can mock everyday but til we see who is staying and going, we dont know what may be a huge need. Of course if both Bosa and Mack are gone, Edge is a huge need. But if Mack stays, its a need but not a huge need. Id still draft one early but maybe not round 1 as Bowers is still my top target.

There is going to be a huge turnover if they fire TT and Staley.....and i cant wait!

[Boltjolt]

Herbert NEEDS a head coach and coaching staff who can teach the offensive line to block. He NEEDS a better running game to complement him. The team overall NEEDS to be better in the trenches if it wants to be great. Taking Brock Bowers won't make the impact we NEED in that area.

With Bosa injured nearly every season now, Mack stating he almost retired last offseason, Sebastian Joseph-Day set to become a free agent in 2025, and Austin Johnson on the last year of his contract, the defensive line you're overrating (are you kidding with Morgan Fox?) NEEDS to be restocked. Right now we have ONE young talent on the defensive line who looks like he's a keeper beyond 2025. ONE in Tuli.

Look at what the 49ers have on their current defensive line--Nick Bosa, Chase Young, Arik Armstead, Javon Kinlaw, Javon Hargrave, and Drake Jackson. That's three first-round picks (Bosa, Armstead, and Kinlaw), a second-round pick (Jackson), a high-priced free agent (Hargrave), and a trade for the second overall pick in the 2020 NFL Draft (Young) they've invested in the defensive line. Besides Armstead and Hargrave, who are 30, the rest of that group is 26 and younger.

The Philadelphia Eagles have placed a similar value on the defensive line, with Fletcher Cox, Brandon Graham, Jordan Davis, and Jalen Carter all being first-round picks. They also hit on Josh Sweat in the fourth round and made a very intelligent signing of Haasan Reddick. Cox and Graham are on the back nine, and Reddick is 29, but Davis is 23, Carter is 22, and Sweat is 26.

Brock Bowers is a great talent at the college level who COULD be an All-Pro in the NFL. Herbert doesn't NEED him to be great, though. I haven't researched the tight ends in the upcoming draft, but I think Herbert would do just fine with someone comparable to Sam LaPorta, Michael Mayer, or Luke Musgrave, all tight ends who were drafted in the second round last April. And as I stated earlier, Travis Kelce (third round), George Kittle (fifth round), Mark Andrews (third round), Jake Ferguson (fourth round), and Darren Waller (sixth round) were all drafted after the second round. Much like running backs, you can get a very good tight end after the first round because it's not nearly as valued as other positions, so they tend to drop.

If we're going to use a top ten pick on Brock Bowers, he better be Tony Gonzalez and not Eric Ebron (picked 10th overall by the Lions and played only four years in Detroit before moving on to Indianapolis and Pittsburgh). That's not a risk I want to take.

I wont argue that. I agree. However this TE class isnt near as good as last years class. There are no Kittle, Ferguson, Waller, types in those rounds in this draft. Only reason Waller went that late is he had issues.

Ebron had drop issues coming out. Continued in the NFL. Bowers does not.

The only interesting TE to me after round 2 is Cade Stover. He went to Ohio st as a LB, then moved to DE. Played LB in a Rose Bowl game because of injuries. Moved to TE later so as a TE is kinda raw and has showed well so if we pass on Bowers, id maybe target him....after Texas TE Sanders.

Im talking as a step in and start type TE. There are other i like but they likely wont start right away and will take time.

[dmac_bolt]

I want to move up to #3 if he's there...waiting till #8 ensures he's gone by then...

MH2 is generational, agree no way he falls to 8 but ... at what cost and cui bono?

Bowers would be a huge systemic change to the offense too.

[dmac_bolt]

I wont argue that. I agree. However this TE class isnt near as good as last years class. There are no Kittle, Ferguson, Waller, types in those rounds in this draft. Only reason Waller went that late is he had issues.

Ebron had drop issues coming out. Continued in the NFL. Bowers does not.

The only interesting TE to me is Cade Stover. He went to Ohio st as a LB, then moved to DE. Played LB in a Rose Bowl game because of injuries. Moved to TE later so as a TE is kinda raw and has showed well so if we pass on Bowers, id maybe target him....after Texas TE Sanders.

Im talking as a step in and start type TE. There are other i like but they likely wont start right away and will take time.

Kittle and Waller weren't a Kittle nor a Waller when they were drafted - Round 5 / Round 6 lucky day 3 picks or they would have gone much earlier. Never know what secrets lie under the depths of the TE lagoon ... the problem has been TT just aint good at fishing. Now a new GM with a better eye ... ?

Pro Bowl OT, CB, Edge, MH3, Bowers - all would be great Rd 1 team upgrades. We will have the choice of several of those, it is looking at the moment. (not MH2, though)

[Formula 21]

Remember those 4 great TEs in last year’s draft, 3 of whom were supposed to go in the first? Well one did, at pick 25 after 4 WRs were chosen. TEs fall in the draft, they just don’t have the value.

[Charge!]

Remember those 4 great TEs in last year’s draft, 3 of whom were supposed to go in the first? Well one did, at pick 25 after 4 WRs were chosen. TEs fall in the draft, they just don’t have the value.

that was a good class last year...... but Bowers is far better....an elite generational dominating talent.... he can run catch and run over defenders like a huge fast FB/TE... and he is old school NFL tough.... not like some fast athletes who are too soft to dominate in NFL.....

[charger1_sj]

Remember those 4 great TEs in last year’s draft, 3 of whom were supposed to go in the first? Well one did, at pick 25 after 4 WRs were chosen. TEs fall in the draft, they just don’t have the value.

And they are all performing better than our 1st round WR.

[Charge!]

100% correct. Herbert has/had a good TE in Everett. He was ascending (career high 58 receptions last year). He gets open. I suspect the new offense (always a new offense) has caused a disconnect between JH and GE.

If we can't find better production/efficiency along the OL... it won't matter who we select on offense. Do we need a TE...? Yes. Does it have to be Bowers w/#8 pick...? Hell no. I'd be very disappointed if we used a high pick on a TE and bypassed better/more impactful players @#8.

no he has not..... Everett is ok, but farfrom great..... certainly NOT consistently good.... and he gets the dropps too..... Bowers is generational..... a guy who can beat double coverage..... can outrun or run over the secondary...... we have to stop being just ok at TE...... Bowers would also add a super tough as nails physical attitude to our offense.......something that has been missing for ages.... and he would improve the running game...via blocking or running himself......

when you have protection problems, a great TE can be an easy quick outlet to keep the chains moving.....a great TE is the guy who makes it almost impossible to keep you out of the endzone..... in zedzone area.....
Gates and Winslow were nearly unstoppable....and Bowers is similar inreceiving ability but more physical....

[Formula 21]

And they are all performing better than our 1st round WR.

That’s a whole different can of worms. Bye bye TT.