2024 Chargers Draft Superthread - Prospect Discussion - Draft Has Started

[Lone Bolt]

DerwinBosa...also solid arguements...but...the offense regressed while our defense has actually played much better...no excuse for our offense to be this bad...Im of the opinion to, within reason, focus our early picks on offense...

Everything right now should be centered around our 50mil plus/yr QB...every decision made, from GM, Coach, player retention, contract shedding, trades, and draft...build a juggernaut offense, and our mid defense will look a lot better.

So although I like Latu a lot...not really thinking defense with the first pick with Bowers and those very nice tackle prospects in play...

[SAY OW 55]

I don't mean this disrespectfully, but I really don't care that you worked in an NBA front office or hosted your own show. Although those are very nice accomplishments (and I mean that sincerely), that doesn't mean you know for sure that Latu is not going to make a similar impact to Nick Bosa. You mentioned Micah Parsons, who was picked 12th overall by the Cowboys in the 2021 NFL Draft. I'm sure there were people like you who said he was not nearly in the same class at his position as Jamaar Chase (taken fifth overall in that same draft) or Kyle Pitts (taken fourth overall in that same draft) were. Right now I believe Parsons is the best defensive player in the NFL. I'm sure there were people like you who were even more adamant about T.J. Watt not being a guy you take in the top ten, since he was selected 30th overall. He was the 2021 NFL Defensive Player of the Year and has posted five seasons with 13 sacks or more.

You mentioned Latu had just one great season, which isn't true, as he had 10.5 sacks last year and 13 this seasons. Even if that were true, Jason Pierre-Paul played only one season of college football, and he had 6.5 sacks that year.

And you're probably the only person in the world who thinks Tuli is better than Micah Parsons. I do like Tuli a lot, and think he has a bright future. You ask what my point about him is. My point is he is the only young defensive lineman on this team who has a long-term future, which you are not acknowledging at all.

And Nick Bosa is not a Lawrence Taylor type. Nobody is.

I was saying Tutu is better then Lai Latu. I watched him at USC with his cousin Hufanga. Man I just scout guys I’m not afraid to give an assesment of a guy. I saw Hufanga at USC and said he looked like Palomalou his mentor. And guess what he was all pro.

I called Movin the Chains Jim Miller and Pat Kirwin and said Justin Herbert had some Tom Brady to him. This was before the senior bowl. This was after the Auburn game against Nix. After Oregon beat Wisconsin and Herbert bought em back. I saw Tom Brady. A leader who brings his teams back and wins. Doesn’t get razzled. And his teammates play thier ass off for him. Like genuinely love him. Play for him run through a wall for him. It’s easy to see now. But nobody saw that.

it was all Tua and Joe Burrow. I called Jim Rome and said the 49ers better draft Justin Jefferson because he’s Odell Beckham. His catch radius his hands. His ability to score after the catch this is when I saw him as a sophomore against Tennessee when Burrow was throwing picks.



Yes Nick Bosa is Lawrence Taylor players have said it. He is so quick off the line I played DLine. Players can’t handle it. His get off is something you can’t teach that was shown in College. He’s better then his brother. But what puts him in that LT category he can stop the run. He’s a freak. Already won a defensive player of the year. He’s worth every Penny.

See I’m not all offense if you listen to what I’m saying Bosa should’ve been the number 1 pick for Arizona it might cost them a super bowl. Bosa jumped off the screen for me.

just like Bowers does. Man every player doesn’t do that. But when we were at SC we saw Aaron Rodgers look like a beast. I saw that my freshman year of college when he came in for the starter that was it. And he beat Matt Leinart who was in his second game who just beat Auburn. Rodgers used to hold the ball high like a slingshot.

I told my uncle watch this Freshman Reggie Bush he won’t come out the lineup won a heisman. This was the same guy lighting it up at Helix with Alex Smith.


I could care less if I see talent in a guy I’ll say it. yeah Seu looked like Lawrence Taylor cause he flew around the ball everywhere he went. He went wherever the ball went.

I’m man enough to admit when I’m wrong. I was wrong about Trey Lance. But I think I’m right about Jorden Love.

I said even after Devonte Smith won the heisman he’s not as good as Jamar Chase. Not even close. I have opinions. I thought CJ stroud was better then Bryce Young. I didn’t like his height.

thought the Raiders should trade up to get CJ stroud to compete with Mahomes and Herbert. I said it’s a passing league. But the Raiders Raidered. You gotta have a Quarterback. This is all assesment. Just what I see.

to Maximize our pick Johnston I think having a guy like Bowers would help. We need guys who simplify it for Herbert.

[SAY OW 55]

And am not afraid to say Tutu Tuli can be Seau. If he works at his game. Continues to get better. Sky’s the limit. He can drop back and play linebacker. I love everything about him. And you can read my posts before the draft. You can read what I said after the draft after we drafted Tutu. I was absolutely right.

One thing I like about this organization. They aren’t scared to take the clear cut top guys from schools Justin Herbert Joey Bosa Tuli Tutu Quentin Johnston Rashawn Slater. Kennan Allen Mike Williams.

Take yourself back to a moment and think when Justin Herbert was at his best Allegiant Stadium when he was throwing to Mike Williams and Kennan Allen. He couldn’t be stopped. But he had top weapons.

I enjoy the debate. I was a kid listening to Lee Hacksaw Hamilton I was the only kid at day camp listening to Xtra Sports 690 yeah that was the Charger Station. Me and moms would take the trolly to Qualcom Stadium to watch the Chargers play. I’m San Diego through and through. Used to go to trophy’s and Seaus after games. Being the only kid in there talking it up to Yancey Thigpen and Rodney Harrison and Seu.

[electricgold]

USC WR Brenden Rice has declared for the draft! Wouldn't mind seeing the Chargers draft him!

[electricgold]

Ceedee Lamb is not a generational talent. Stating that Jake Ferguson is succeeding only because of Ceedee Lamb is one of several blatant stretches you're making to try to convince everyone that Brock Bowers is the one and only pick to make if he's sitting there when we select.

Yes if Bowers is on the board you have to really consider him because that would be a weapon for Herbert that could become special, however trading down could be the way to go this time because we have to fix the key areas that TT has botched! We need to address RT, OC, CB, FS, WR, and this is the one draft where I really believe trading down could serve us we'll!!!!

[Boltjolt]

Dude I worked in an NBA front office. You have no idea what I do. So just cause I’m in a message board. Doesn’t mean I don’t know my shit. I hosted my own nationally syndicated show on CBS Kids talk sports. I’m a regular caller on Movin the Chains with Jim Miller and Pat Kirin. Kevin in Culver City. Kevin in California. Nick Bosa jumped on the scene when Ohio State destroyed USC and Sam Darnold the Heisman trophy candidate. Didn’t play the whole season to prepare for the draft. He was the perennial projected number 1 pick all season. Until Mike Bidwill and the Cardinals decided they were going to draft Kyler Murray when they hired Kliff KINGsbury. So Nick was always a can’t miss. please don’t sit up here and put Lai Latu in the same class as Nick Bosa. He’s at the end of the top 10 Tyre Wilson type talent. Nick Bosas a game wrecker Lawrence Taylor type. There’s only a few of those. Micha Parsons. I could argue Tutu is better then him and we got him in the second round. So what’s your point. Bowers has unique skill set. Elite speed with Power. That’s not what you see every season come out in the draft. If you knew anything about talent and evaluating you would see that. I’m sure when Jamar Chase came out you probably said oh Another fast receiver. Jamar is unique. As good as Devonte is he doesn’t do what Jamar Chase does. That’s Devonte Smith. Lai Latu had one great season. So come on man. You’re capping. You mention these great charger draft picks. Where’s Marrrian. Was Seau a guy who just you could get anywhere in the draft. How about LT Ladanian Tomlinson? Was he just another running back? Where’d we draft him at 5? How about Tomlinsons record at TCU???? Yeah I saw it first hand against USC in 99.


A lot of players dominate at the college level. Vince Young had perhaps the greatest game ever by a college quarterback in an upset victory over USC in the 2005 National Championship Game. Melvin Gordon holds the record for most rushing yards in a single game at the college level, with 408. Kellen Winslow II dominated Ohio State's defense with 11 catches for 122 yards and a touchdown in the 2002 National Championship Game. That doesn't mean they're going to be legends in the NFL.

Look, I get it. Brock Bowers is an intriguing prospect who could be great in the NFL. But would I pick him over a pass-rusher who could also be dominant in the NFL? No.

Im not arguing with you about anything you said about players. I dont believe any players is a sure fire cant miss. But i do want Bowers. Doesnt mean Latu or Newton wouldnt be good picks.

As for your NBA office .....NBA and the NFL dont compare even a little tiny bit to one another. In any capacity from the, the game, rosters, players front office handling of things...anything! But hey i respect that. Football is just a vastly different animal. NBA has a roster of 15 players and a two round draft.

I dont know what calling into a radio show has to do with anything either but ok.

Im on record of wanting Bowers as my #1 guy. That wont change. Im hoping we get a couple extra picks by trading Joey and MW.....and frankly id LOVE to keep MW but his contract and injuries just doesnt fit right now.

That said id love Bowers, and we with extra picks would have 8 more to get a OG or RT, Edge, etc..
I still feel we will sign a OC.

Look imo every pick is a crap shoot. Just because Crosby was drafted in round 4 doesnt mean there is a Edge rusher like him in every draft in round 4. Crosby like Waller had issues coming out of college for one thing. Both were drunks. Can it happen? Sure it can happen but find those caliber players in those rounds isnt the norm and it depends on the draft class,.... it is the exception. Especially when you get to round 6 and 7. TE last year for example was pretty deep, not this year. Seems we always pass on a deep class of possition.

I know we arent talking about HOF here, just getting good players but if you do a search, th vast majority of HOF players were drafted in round 1. The list is a lot smaller in round 2 and it gets scare down from there. It just goes to show the earlier the pick, the better chance you have of getting a great player.

They also say half the first round picks are busts. So you also need to pick the right guys and our front office is not good at doing that. Particularly once we get past round 1. Yes i know Tuli is round 2. Name another hit in round 2 by Tom Testicle in his 11 years.
Name another round 3 hit asside from Keenan. You get the idea.

[Boltjolt]

I don't mean this disrespectfully, but I really don't care that you worked in an NBA front office or hosted your own show. Although those are very nice accomplishments (and I mean that sincerely), that doesn't mean you know for sure that Latu is not going to make a similar impact to Nick Bosa. You mentioned Micah Parsons, who was picked 12th overall by the Cowboys in the 2021 NFL Draft. I'm sure there were people like you who said he was not nearly in the same class at his position as Jamaar Chase (taken fifth overall in that same draft) or Kyle Pitts (taken fourth overall in that same draft) were. Right now I believe Parsons is the best defensive player in the NFL. I'm sure there were people like you who were even more adamant about T.J. Watt not being a guy you take in the top ten, since he was selected 30th overall. He was the 2021 NFL Defensive Player of the Year and has posted five seasons with 13 sacks or more.

You mentioned Latu had just one great season, which isn't true, as he had 10.5 sacks last year and 13 this seasons. Even if that were true, Jason Pierre-Paul played only one season of college football, and he had 6.5 sacks that year.

And you're probably the only person in the world who thinks Tuli is better than Micah Parsons. I do like Tuli a lot, and think he has a bright future. You ask what my point about him is. My point is he is the only young defensive lineman on this team who has a long-term future, which you are not acknowledging at all.

And Nick Bosa is not a Lawrence Taylor type. Nobody is.

Just a matter of a little nose candy

[Boltjolt]

USC WR Brenden Rice has declared for the draft! Wouldn't mind seeing the Chargers draft him!

Yep i like him a lot too. Mocked him a few times already. Dont think Jerry would like him being a Charger though. Former players all know this franchise is poison to a career.

[charger1_sj]

Our biggest needs appear to be CB and OC. You don't take an OC in the top of the first round. So that leaves CB as the most likely needy choice in RD1.
With that said a guy like Bowers can change the offensive dynamics. So that has to be considered. Same goes for M. Harrison.

While I agree with Boltnut about the issues we have on the O line, in my opinion a good O line coach can fix 50% of the problems. As for Miami, they don't
need a top TE because they have what is probably the best WRs in the NFL. What we have is a crop of injured prone guys and 1 first round unproven WR.
Allen being the exception, but he's also prone to injury and it get worse as he ages.

We have a dynamic arm in Herbert. Fix that O line and get him some weapons. That should be the first priority. The defense would look 75% better if we had
legit NFL CBs and a real DC.

[beachcomber]

Yes if Bowers is on the board you have to really consider him because that would be a weapon for Herbert that could become special, however trading down could be the way to go this time because we have to fix the key areas that TT has botched! We need to address RT, OC, CB, FS, WR, and this is the one draft where I really believe trading down could serve us we'll!!!!

makes sense when you look @things by position, but when you start naming names.... things get a little Swiss cheezy..

after Bowers 'n Marvin, TE & WR get a little chancier (save for maybe Odunze), and ditto for RT, as guessing there are some standout wideouts and RTs, and.... not sure I feel certain 'bout that group, and as compared to the DL that can bring pressure, as feeling pretty certain there are a good handful of ED/DE/3Ts in there that are pretty safe gambits, and.... if I'm the GM, then I'm siding on the safer than not side, 'specially if I'm drafting top ten.

and Bowers reminds me some of when Herbert came out, as I was again erring on the side of safety, and preferred taking my chances w/Tristan Wirfs.... turns out that wasn't the best way to go, and.... Bowers could be similar to JH10 and be the best guy for us, and despite that I feel more secure/safer w/the likes of a Latu, Newton or some of the later EDs.... ??

[beachcomber]

Say Ow.... great post, and love your historical takes on your calls of late, and.... gonna disagree on a coupla few,

will be surprised if Tuli (is Tutu his nickname ?) is better than Latu, and would be pretty much shocked if he came anywhere close to rivaling Jr., albeit do think he could Pro Bowl, albeit again, not sure he's gonna be All Pro.... ??

am sure would love to see Latu and him at opposite ends of our Line.

and yeah, we have gotten some name players in the first, and both MW 'n QJ were reaches, and even tho I read here that it doesn't matter where a player is drafted.... it does.

draft capital is just like cap space.... if you squander it, your roster talent ends up diluted @the end of the day.

also doubt that Bowers would much affect Johnston's talent/production, and.... personally suspect there is a good chance Brock is off the board by the time we're on the clock round one ??

and was right w/you on Trey Lance, and JLove seems to be exceeding expectations in GBay, which wasn't an easy call that draft day.

ditto on CJ Stroud, and.... question for you: should Vegas move up for Caleb ??

and last, and don't think it's set up talent wise to do much about it this offseason, and.... think we need to design our O around Justin as a deep strike passing team, and.... which starts w/the Oline and not the wideouts, not to mention getting some RBs that can handle some pass pro.

[beachcomber]

DerwinBosa...also solid arguements...but...the offense regressed while our defense has actually played much better...no excuse for our offense to be this bad...Im of the opinion to, within reason, focus our early picks on offense...

Everything right now should be centered around our 50mil plus/yr QB...every decision made, from GM, Coach, player retention, contract shedding, trades, and draft...build a juggernaut offense, and our mid defense will look a lot better.

So although I like Latu a lot...not really thinking defense with the first pick with Bowers and those very nice tackle prospects in play...

same question: who are your early picks on O.... 'specially if guys like Bowers, Harrison and even Odunze are no where to be found when our name is called day one ??

not looking @positions, think this draft is set up for D.... if we go first three picks on D, won't be disappointed.

OC is a need pick (jftr thought Tuli was a need pick as well, as he was the only guy in the draft that eye saw that could spell Bosa), and might be a bit early to go RB round one or two, and RT, WR, TE aren't as clear cut talents as the guys on D, 'specially after the aforementioned top ten talents.