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  • Boltnut
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    Originally posted by Fouts2herbert View Post

    coaching matters, I'm looking at what the rams are doing this year and they are was supposed to be in year two of an unprecedented blow up and rebuild...even with some of the big changes to the roster, the chargers might be a a hell of a lot more competitive next year if Harbaugh is hired...if the family manages to get him the whole dynamic in the division will shift...the chargers could be looking at a nice 3-4 year run minimum...
    When looking @the Rams... by far the biggest reasons for their rise have been the production of WR Puka Nacua (5th round) and RB Kyren Williams (5th round). Their OL has done a very good job despite using unheralded starters [Alaric Jackson (UDFA), Steve Avila (2nd round), Brian Allen (4th round), Kevin Dotson (4th round), and Rob Havenstein (2nd round)]... They have gotten a lot of production out of Tyler Higbee (4th round).

    If you think coaching matters... then you may want to look at Zak Kromer (assistant OL coach for the Rams).
    Zak Kromer enters his ninth NFL season and eighth with the Los Angeles Rams. He currently serves as the assistant offensive line coach after spending two seasons as an offensive assistant.



    Protect the QB
    Run the ball
    Play great defense

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    • sonorajim
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      Originally posted by Fouts2herbert View Post

      coaching matters, I'm looking at what the rams are doing this year and they are was supposed to be in year two of an unprecedented blow up and rebuild...even with some of the big changes to the roster, the chargers might be a a hell of a lot more competitive next year if Harbaugh is hired...if the family manages to get him the whole dynamic in the division will shift...the chargers could be looking at a nice 3-4 year run minimum...
      Abso -effin- lutely.

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      • wu-dai clan
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        Zak Kromer as in Aaron Kromer. Dotson, a key piece was via a shrewd trade with the Steelers. Rams changed up their blocking scheme.

        I am wondering if a lot of the Charger OL troubles are NOT from lack of Linsley. It may be Zion. We may need McFadden
        We may need a glass eater.
        We play modern Harball.

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        • Boltx
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          Originally posted by Boltnut View Post

          When looking @the Rams... by far the biggest reasons for their rise have been the production of WR Puka Nacua (5th round) and RB Kyren Williams (5th round). Their OL has done a very good job despite using unheralded starters [Alaric Jackson (UDFA), Steve Avila (2nd round), Brian Allen (4th round), Kevin Dotson (4th round), and Rob Havenstein (2nd round)]... They have gotten a lot of production out of Tyler Higbee (4th round).

          If you think coaching matters... then you may want to look at Zak Kromer (assistant OL coach for the Rams).
          Zak Kromer enters his ninth NFL season and eighth with the Los Angeles Rams. He currently serves as the assistant offensive line coach after spending two seasons as an offensive assistant.


          Coaching matters but it sounds like they've also just drafted really well too.

          And then coached them up.
          ESPN Screename: GoBolts02

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          • sonorajim
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            Originally posted by Boltnut View Post

            When looking @the Rams... by far the biggest reasons for their rise have been the production of WR Puka Nacua (5th round) and RB Kyren Williams (5th round). Their OL has done a very good job despite using unheralded starters [Alaric Jackson (UDFA), Steve Avila (2nd round), Brian Allen (4th round), Kevin Dotson (4th round), and Rob Havenstein (2nd round)]... They have gotten a lot of production out of Tyler Higbee (4th round).

            If you think coaching matters... then you may want to look at Zak Kromer (assistant OL coach for the Rams).
            Zak Kromer enters his ninth NFL season and eighth with the Los Angeles Rams. He currently serves as the assistant offensive line coach after spending two seasons as an offensive assistant.


            Good thought. We're not getting + Plus results from Nugent

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            • Riverwalk
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              Coaching matters…..

              Well of course, but not as much as players.

              If Quentin Johnson was as talented as where he was drafted, Staley and Telesco would still have their jobs with the Chargers.

              Chargers barely lost several games an additional dynamic and productive WR could have made a difference.

              Instead, that overdrafted butter fingers was a liability.

              Look, I’m as happy as anyone Staley and Telesco are gone but the margin of victory was so close in so many games, the loss of Mike Williams was insurmountable.






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              • jamrock
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                Originally posted by Boltnut View Post

                When looking @the Rams... by far the biggest reasons for their rise have been the production of WR Puka Nacua (5th round) and RB Kyren Williams (5th round). Their OL has done a very good job despite using unheralded starters [Alaric Jackson (UDFA), Steve Avila (2nd round), Brian Allen (4th round), Kevin Dotson (4th round), and Rob Havenstein (2nd round)]... They have gotten a lot of production out of Tyler Higbee (4th round).

                If you think coaching matters... then you may want to look at Zak Kromer (assistant OL coach for the Rams).
                Zak Kromer enters his ninth NFL season and eighth with the Los Angeles Rams. He currently serves as the assistant offensive line coach after spending two seasons as an offensive assistant.


                yes obviously coaching matters. Aside from the OL, Kyren and Puka (who is an absolute stud and I can't believe none of the draftniks on this board mentioned him must less the Chargers finding him as hes the type of big WR they like) their defensive rookies are also playing very well. Basically, they have conducted a master class on finding players that fit what they want to do and bringing them on quickly. They were 3-6 at one point this season and are closing on a 6-1 run.

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                • wu-dai clan
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                  Huh !
                  It was the resurgence of tennis playing Stafford, Sean Genius, and OL play and scheme.

                  I see a constant game here involving 20-20 hindsight, revisionism and purported personnel chops.

                  I could give two fucks about who is actually the smartest guy in the room, the one who wears the tailored cargo shorts.
                  We play modern Harball.

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                  • Boltnut
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                    Originally posted by jamrock View Post
                    Both semi-final games were great. Washington has a much more explosive offense than Alabama and Penix and the trio of WRs led by Odunze will be a huge challenge for Michigan's defense. They are highly rated so we'll see. On the other hand, it doesn't look like Washington has a great defense and Michigan will want to control the ball with its run game. Should be interesting. Last 2 undefeateds going at it
                    I'm excited about this game. Guys to watch:

                    LB Junior Colston. Harbaugh asks him to do so much for this defense. Hard nose player with movement skills plays all over the place.
                    IDL Kris Jenkins. Often takes on double teams and allows others to make plays. Very strong and can make plays when 1v1.
                    S Rod Moore. Another guy Harbaugh relies on to do a lot of different things on defense. Assignment versatile.
                    LB Michael Barrett. Wasn't on my radar until recently. Versatile.
                    IDL Mason Graham. Only a sophmore but creates chaos at the LOS.
                    RB Blake Corum. Smallish but very strong. Very productive.
                    WR Roman Wilson. Often a forgotten man on a team that likes to run the ball.
                    OC Blake Nugent. The captain along the OL. The OL kept humming after the loss of Zac Zinter.

                    WR Rome Odunze. Size and route running make him a mismatch. Has some speed and can be effective at all 3 levels.
                    DE Bralen Trice. Sets a good edge and can use his long arms to disengage, shed, and get to the QB. Like to see more consistency.
                    Others: OLB Zion Tupuola-Fetui, RT Roser Rosengarten, LT Troy Fatanu, WR Jalen McMillan.
                    Protect the QB
                    Run the ball
                    Play great defense

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                    • dmac_bolt
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                      Originally posted by Riverwalk View Post

                      Rams took Puka Nacua in the 5th round and Chargers took Quentin Johnson in Rd #1

                      Player selection matters more than coaching. Harbaugh wouldn’t be interviewing with Chargers if we didn’t have Herbert.

                      This is why I want Harbaugh. He understands talent more than the bums we’ve had on our coaching staff and FO.







                      picking out the one surprise late rounder every year and saying "just do that" is fun and all, but if 30 other teams thought he'd lead all rookies by a mile in receiving, he would not have been taken in the 5th. There would have been at least one TPB member call him out for draft too, and I may be wrong but I never read his name last winter and spring here.

                      I'm all for Harbaugh improving talent identification, don't disagree with you there. but LAC need to upgrade their scouting and FO team, thats where these late round jewels are found.
                      “Less is more? NO NO NO - MORE is MORE!”

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                      • Bolt4Knob
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                        Originally posted by Boltnut View Post

                        I'm excited about this game. Guys to watch:

                        LB Junior Colston. Harbaugh asks him to do so much for this defense. Hard nose player with movement skills plays all over the place.
                        IDL Kris Jenkins. Often takes on double teams and allows others to make plays. Very strong and can make plays when 1v1.
                        S Rod Moore. Another guy Harbaugh relies on to do a lot of different things on defense. Assignment versatile.
                        LB Michael Barrett. Wasn't on my radar until recently. Versatile.
                        IDL Mason Graham. Only a sophmore but creates chaos at the LOS.
                        RB Blake Corum. Smallish but very strong. Very productive.
                        WR Roman Wilson. Often a forgotten man on a team that likes to run the ball.
                        OC Blake Nugent. The captain along the OL. The OL kept humming after the loss of Zac Zinter.

                        WR Rome Odunze. Size and route running make him a mismatch. Has some speed and can be effective at all 3 levels.
                        DE Bralen Trice. Sets a good edge and can use his long arms to disengage, shed, and get to the QB. Like to see more consistency.
                        Others: OLB Zion Tupuola-Fetui, RT Roser Rosengarten, LT Troy Fatanu, WR Jalen McMillan.
                        Doesn't even include Zak Zinter (OG) who got hurt in the Ohio State game

                        Harbaugh thinks up to 20 players from this team will be drafted

                        Odunze is the top WR on the Huskies but Polk might be an option in R3 as well

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                        • dmac_bolt
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                          Originally posted by Bolt4Knob View Post

                          Doesn't even include Zak Zinter (OG) who got hurt in the Ohio State game

                          Harbaugh thinks up to 20 players from this team will be drafted

                          Odunze is the top WR on the Huskies but Polk might be an option in R3 as well
                          Homer coach.
                          “Less is more? NO NO NO - MORE is MORE!”

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