And With The 5th Pick Of The NFL Draft Chargers Select....Discussion

[Boltx]

Don't pull a Polamalu and trade down for Sammy Davis and Terrence Kiel.

Unless someone is throwing multiple #1s at us...I sit tight and take Bowers or MH Jr if he happens to be there.

Hell, I would even take Bowers over the #2 WR.

Don't overthink this or try to get cute and get an extra third rounder. Take the stud, culture change player and don't look back.

Yes, we have multiple needs and likely will need a couple offseasons to address them all.

[BigBad]

It’s not an either or proposition. They need weapons and they need better OL play. But they’ve spent #1’s in 2 of the last 3 drafts on OL. IMO, they need a better OL coach who can get the most out of them. Good OL players can be found in late rounds. The vaunted Patriots run featured great OL play but not a bunch of first rounders. They found guys in later rounds and coached them up. It’s not a skill position. Game breaking skill guys are fewer and farther between.

Guys around here think its better to have 5 seconds to throw to covered guys and gain 5 yards a pop. I really think late years of Gates and Keenans career really messed with guys heads about what NFL freaks are. THose guys were NFL freaks in possession type roles.

Its like when all of us got used to RIvers' slow ball speed and weak arm towards the end of his tenure. And then when Herbert showed up and the ball just ZIPPED on the screen. THat is how its going to be if the Chargers take Nabers. People will forget Keenan and Mike REALLY QUICK

[Boltx]

It’s not an either or proposition. They need weapons and they need better OL play. But they’ve spent #1’s in 2 of the last 3 drafts on OL. IMO, they need a better OL coach who can get the most out of them. Good OL players can be found in late rounds. The vaunted Patriots run featured great OL play but not a bunch of first rounders. They found guys in later rounds and coached them up. It’s not a skill position. Game breaking skill guys are fewer and farther between.

Bingo.

And like someone else said, just take the freak athlete at #5.

I doubt that's going to be a lineman this year.

[Bolt4Knob]

It’s not an either or proposition. They need weapons and they need better OL play. But they’ve spent #1’s in 2 of the last 3 drafts on OL. IMO, they need a better OL coach who can get the most out of them. Good OL players can be found in late rounds. The vaunted Patriots run featured great OL play but not a bunch of first rounders. They found guys in later rounds and coached them up. It’s not a skill position. Game breaking skill guys are fewer and farther between.

Agree with this. And since the Chargers have LT solidified with Slater -- I think the picks of Nabers or Bowers would really add what the offense needs. Chargers need a frigging play maker on offense more than anything.

[BigBad]

You don't know that. Burrow drops dimes.
I think Burrow is great and so is Chase.

Burrow is the most overrated QB in the history of football. He had the most talented college team maybe ever but gets all the credit. He has really really bad pocket presence and a TON of sacks are on him. He loves doing an awful spin move thinking he is Lamar. And like everything with Burrow he NEVER gets blamed and the line gets all of it. I live in Ohio and have watched every game because they are usually the game before the Chargers locally. THe Bengals have a much better roster than people think the last few years. And I was proven correct when Burrow went down and the backup QB competed big time. Easier to do with Chase, Higgins, etc.

SInce CHase arrived he reads every play based on if CHase is doubled or not. I'll have to find the breakdown someone did on that

[Velo]

The Chargers should draft Michael Penix at No. 5 then entertain trade offers.

[DerwinBosa]

So you believe you can ALWAYS find weapons in late rounds? Why doesn't every team do that? Why can't you find great linemen in late rounds?

Because the draft is a total crap shoot. SOme team has a little success and people think some magic blueprint now exits. IT DOESNT

The thing that consistently wins is have the most freak athletes so when you get a chance to actually draft one you do it.

If that happens to be a freak lineman like Sewell fine.

What I'm saying is it's not true when you state that we HAVE to draft a weapon for Herbert to throw to with the fifth overall pick. The 49ers and Lions are just two examples of that not always being the case. The Chiefs with Andy Reid have also never used a first-round pick on a receiver. They got Travis Kelce in the third round of the same draft they took Eric Fisher, an offensive tackle, first overall, and selected Tyreek Hill in the fifth round a couple of years later. You gave the Bengals with Ja'Marr Chase as an example of a top five selection who turned the team around and said we HAVE to do that or it's a wasted pick.

[BigBad]

What I'm saying is it's not true when you state that we HAVE to draft a weapon for Herbert to throw to with the fifth overall pick. The 49ers and Lions are just two examples of that not always being the case. The Chiefs with Andy Reid have also never used a first-round pick on a receiver. They got Travis Kelce in the third round of the same draft they took Eric Fisher, an offensive tackle, first overall, and selected Tyreek Hill in the fifth round a couple of years later. You gave the Bengals with Ja'Marr Chase as an example of a top five selection who turned the team around and said we HAVE to do that or it's a wasted pick.

I just think the offense needs SPEED. The field is condensed because defenses have ZERO fear of the Chargers beating them with explosive plays. Even a healthy Mike Williams rarely beats guys with speed.


I really think the reason through two coordinators the offense struggled in the 2nd half was the lack of speed. I think teams watched film and had a natural fear of Herberts arm so they stay relatively deep. Then the game comes and the defense sees how slow the CHargers are, EVEN HEALTHY. They adjust at halftime and condense the field and make Herbert be perfect with his accuracy. THrow in the lack of a run game and it was good night.

[Chargers8491]

I just think the offense needs SPEED. The field is condensed because defenses have ZERO fear of the Chargers beating them with explosive plays. Even a healthy Mike Williams rarely beats guys with speed.


I really think the reason through two coordinators the offense struggled in the 2nd half was the lack of speed. I think teams watched film and had a natural fear of Herberts arm so they stay relatively deep. Then the game comes and the defense sees how slow the CHargers are, EVEN HEALTHY. They adjust at halftime and condense the field and make Herbert be perfect with his accuracy. THrow in the lack of a run game and it was good night.

They had 0 run game which didn't help at all....

[Critty]

It’s not an either or proposition. They need weapons and they need better OL play. But they’ve spent #1’s in 2 of the last 3 drafts on OL. IMO, they need a better OL coach who can get the most out of them. Good OL players can be found in late rounds. The vaunted Patriots run featured great OL play but not a bunch of first rounders. They found guys in later rounds and coached them up. It’s not a skill position. Game breaking skill guys are fewer and farther between.

They do need weapons.

Weapons can be found anywhere. Tyreek was a 5th Rd pick. Gates was UDFA. Allen was a 3rd Rd pick. Sproles was a 5th Rd pick. Ekeler a UDFA. How about Puka this year. RBs, TEs, WRs are everywhere to be found.

I don't think you find nearly as many great OL mid to later in drafts or UDFA. You got to spend premium picks for the dominate line of scrimmage players. That how I see it.

QJ, Palmer, Davis, Allen, and any free agent weapon they add. they will have players to get the ball to. Will they be able to run. Can the give Herbert a consistent clean pocket. Not if they trot out JAGs at RT and OC. Opponent will just game plan to attack those weak links. Put beat Edge on Pipkins side and then threaten blitz up the gut. And Justin is going to panic to get the ball out because he won't trust them. And probably doesn't want to get his ribs cracked again. Im not into watching that shit show anymore. I've seen it for decades.

I want them to dominate in the trenches and make the opponent quit. So that come 4th quarter, the ground game can march to victory formation.

You pass to score points and you run the ball to win.

[Chargers8491]

They do need weapons.

Weapons can be found anywhere. Tyreek was a 5th Rd pick. Gates was UDFA. Allen was a 3rd Rd pick. Sproles was a 5th Rd pick. Ekeler a UDFA. How about Puka this year. RBs, TEs, WRs are everywhere to be found.

I don't think you find nearly as many great OL mid to later in drafts or UDFA. You got to spend premium picks for the dominate line of scrimmage players. That how I see it.

QJ, Palmer, Davis, Allen, and any free agent weapon they add. they will have players to get the ball to. Will they be able to run. Can the give Herbert a consistent clean pocket. Not if they trot out JAGs at RT and OC. Opponent will just game plan to attack those weak links. Put beat Edge on Pipkins side and then threaten blitz up the gut. And Justin is going to panic to get the ball out because he won't trust them. And probably doesn't want to get his ribs cracked again. Im not into watching that shit show anymore. I've seen it for decades.

I want them to dominate in the trenches and make the opponent quit. So that come 4th quarter, the ground game can march to victory formation.

You pass to score points and you run the ball to win.

An argument could be made you can find Oline anywhere. I think the bottom line is the draft is a crap shot and it's up to the coaching to develop these guys. I will leave up to the guys in charge to make the decision on who is a better fit for the team. While I prefer Bower/MHJ, if they chose any other position, I wont lose sleep over it.

[Scottbbo1]

Don't pull a Polamalu and trade down for Sammy Davis and Terrence Kiel.

Unless someone is throwing multiple #1s at us...I sit tight and take Bowers or MH Jr if he happens to be there.

Hell, I would even take Bowers over the #2 WR.

Don't overthink this or try to get cute and get an extra third rounder. Take the stud, culture change player and don't look back.

Yes, we have multiple needs and likely will need a couple offseasons to address them all.

Can we trade Bosa for a third? gets his $ off the books.