And With The 5th Pick Of The NFL Draft Chargers Select....Discussion

[DerwinBosa]

Bengals at drafted a stud WR at #5 that changed their offense and made Joe Burrow better over Sewell. That would be taking Nabers over Alt.

You mentioned Jahmyr Gibbs, who was drafted 12th overall, not fifth, and Detroit already had a great offensive line by that point.

Regardless, you're confident that Nabers is up there with Chase, who looks like a future Hall of Famer? If so, please explain how you came to that conclusion.

If you said Marvin Harrison, Jr. instead of Nabers I would agree with you.

[DerwinBosa]

Kyle Pitts career can not be judged in this light ..yet. As a rookie he became the 2nd TE in NFL history to get 1000 yards. Mike Ditka was the only other one. Then he fell victim to a fucking idiot named Arthur Smith who was clueless how to use him just as he was clueless how to get the most of a stud like Bijan Robinson. Pitts has also never had an NFL caliber QB.

Zac Robinson the new OC, who learned under McVay, is there now with one of his mandates being get the most our of Kyle Pitts. Lets wait and see what happens now before we write off Kyle Pitts. Pitts is 23 years old.

I don't care how good Pitts was his rookie year. If he did the same thing in 2022 and 2023 nobody would pick him over Penei Sewell or Micah Parsons after seeing what Sewell and Parsons have turned into. Just like nobody would draft Travis Kelce over Jonathan Ogden or Reggie White.

[DerwinBosa]

It's very early in the process, but I really think trading down is the best way to go. It may be difficult to find a trade partner, since I don't believe a team looking for a quarterback will want to trade up once Caleb Williams and Drake Maye are gone. Maybe someone will be in love with Jayden Daniels. I have a hard time believing it, though.

In 2014 the Bills traded up from the ninth overall pick to the fourth to get Sammy Watkins. The Bills gave up their 2015 first-round pick and fourth-rounder to Cleveland in that deal, which was really stupid on Buffalo's behalf. I hope some team falls in love with Bowers or Nabers enough to give us its first-round pick in 2025. I think we'll still be able to get one of the offensive tackles (I am very intrigued with Fuaga now), pass-rushers, or cornerbacks after trading down.

[CanadianBoltFan]

You mentioned Jahmyr Gibbs, who was drafted 12th overall, not fifth, and Detroit already had a great offensive line by that point.

Regardless, you're confident that Nabers is up there with Chase, who looks like a future Hall of Famer? If so, please explain how you came to that conclusion.

If you said Marvin Harrison, Jr. instead of Nabers I would agree with you.

Most evaluators have Nabers only a shade below Marvin. Nabers would be the #1 WR in most drafts. Yes I think he is in Chases class. Nabers and Odunze for that matter are significantly better than any WR in the 2023 draft. Last years top drafted WR, JSN, would probably be around #6 in this draft. Nabers brings the speed, explosion, YAC that this offense desperately lacks. Like Chase, Nabers can take an 8 yard pass 60 yards. That has been huge benefit to Burrow. Herbert doesnt not have a weapon like that.

Nabers and Odunze are studs who will have big impacts in the NFL.

I dont think this is the draft to take a right tackle at #5. Top 5 should be for a dominant all pro level left tackle. Alt is good but is he that good? Whether he is or not doesnt really matter because we have a good left tackle. But the biggest reason not to pass up a Bowers or a Nabers at 5 for a tackle is because this draft is absolutely stacked at tackle. Senior Bowl confirmed that. Some great options you can trade down for in round 1 or grab at 37. There are also very good tackles in every single NFL draft. There is not a Brock Bowers in every draft and even if there was, with Harbaugh coaching now we wont be drafting in the top 10 with a chance to get one.

[CanadianBoltFan]

You obviously missed the point. People on here act like having an All-Pro tight end is more important than pass protection. Kansas City's offensive line in the Super Bowl sucked, Travis Kelce put up great stats, Patrick Mahomes had the worst performance of his career, and the Chiefs lost, 31-9. If Travis Kelce had suffered a season-ending injury before the Super Bowl, but the Chiefs had a healthy offensive line, I'm sure they would have performed much better than losing 31-9. They may have even won.

Sure but then again, aside from Patick Mahomes, name the most dominant Chief player that is most responsible for the dynasty of 6 straight AFC Finals. Hint, its not a tackle or a CB.

[CanadianBoltFan]

I don't care how good Pitts was his rookie year. If he did the same thing in 2022 and 2023 nobody would pick him over Penei Sewell or Micah Parsons after seeing what Sewell and Parsons have turned into. Just like nobody would draft Travis Kelce over Jonathan Ogden or Reggie White.

Yes good point, if you get an Ogden or a Pace, by all means use your top 5 pick on an all pro left tackle. Alt is not that level, and we need a right tackle, we have an all pro left tackle.

[bman6555]

Sure but then again, aside from Patick Mahomes, name the most dominant Chief player that is most responsible for the dynasty of 6 straight AFC Finals. Hint, its not a tackle or a CB.

Chris Jones is the realistic answer.

I know you want people to say Kelce, but without a top end QB he's not bringing the team there. Would also have Tyreek well before him. Chiefs knew they can't afford him and he was much more valuable the Kelce. You ask any mediocre team whether for next year they'd rather have Tyreek or Kelce, and all of them are taking Tyreek. Look what's happened with Miami.

[Boltnut]

I don't care how good Pitts was his rookie year. If he did the same thing in 2022 and 2023 nobody would pick him over Penei Sewell or Micah Parsons after seeing what Sewell and Parsons have turned into. Just like nobody would draft Travis Kelce over Jonathan Ogden or Reggie White.

100% correct. There is almost no way to tell what guys become (or how they contribute to making their overall teams better) until a few years later. Generational this/that is just hoopla. Mix in recent quotes from Harbaugh (We want to run better, protect JH, have great WR group already)... and it suggests that we're going in a different direction. IMO, teams #6-10 have bigger needs than TE... so Bowers is probably there @#11 anyways.

The biggest thing being ignored is that the defense needs players. DC Minter won't solve the problem of thin groups @IDL, LB, and CB. He will need someone to work with... he had very good defensive players @Michigan. Would he really come to LAC knowing we aren't going to get him any defensive help through the draft...? Trading back gives us opportunities to address both offensive and defensive needs in this draft. 3rd and 4th rounds have many good players... both defensive players and offensive players. The cupboards are bare @many positions. The team will never be contenders until both units are solid. You don't have to have one elite group, but you do need both of your groups to be solid. Don't be surprised if the defense wins this coming Super Bowl. I expect a low scoring game.

[Bolt4Knob]

It's very early in the process, but I really think trading down is the best way to go. It may be difficult to find a trade partner, since I don't believe a team looking for a quarterback will want to trade up once Caleb Williams and Drake Maye are gone. Maybe someone will be in love with Jayden Daniels. I have a hard time believing it, though.

In 2014 the Bills traded up from the ninth overall pick to the fourth to get Sammy Watkins. The Bills gave up their 2015 first-round pick and fourth-rounder to Cleveland in that deal, which was really stupid on Buffalo's behalf. I hope some team falls in love with Bowers or Nabers enough to give us its first-round pick in 2025. I think we'll still be able to get one of the offensive tackles (I am very intrigued with Fuaga now), pass-rushers, or cornerbacks after trading down.

The lowest I would go is from 5 to 11. And really, unless the Bears, Jets or Broncos are offering a 2025 FRP - those teams are not options as they do not have second round picks. The Falcons are borderline to me as you would get their 3rd, 4th and a future 2025 pick (if going by the point chart) - possibly their 2nd but the Chargers may have to give back a day 3 pick. With the Jets and Bears not having 2nd rounders - they would have to pony up a 2025 FRP and a 2024 3rd round pick - at minimum

The Vikings would have to be a 2nd and 4th this year

[powderblueboy]

This really needs to stop:

Brock Bowers = Travis Kelce

Malik Nabers = Jamar Chase

Joe Alt = All Pro LT

Joe Alt is not Jonathon Ogden, ergo we need to select the next great NFL tight end.

Floors as well as ceilings people.

[CanadianBoltFan]

Chris Jones is the realistic answer.

I know you want people to say Kelce, but without a top end QB he's not bringing the team there. Would also have Tyreek well before him. Chiefs knew they can't afford him and he was much more valuable the Kelce. You ask any mediocre team whether for next year they'd rather have Tyreek or Kelce, and all of them are taking Tyreek. Look what's happened with Miami.

Tyreek isnt really relevent, given that he hasnt been there for all 6 Finals. In fact they proved they go on winning Super Bowls without him.

Jones is a worthy answer but when you look back on this Chiefs dynasty, history will think of 3 people first. Reid, Mahomes, Kelce.

[CanadianBoltFan]

100% correct. There is almost no way to tell what guys become (or how they contribute to making their overall teams better) until a few years later. Generational this/that is just hoopla. Mix in recent quotes from Harbaugh (We want to run better, protect JH, have great WR group already)... and it suggests that we're going in a different direction. IMO, teams #6-10 have bigger needs than TE... so Bowers is probably there @#11 anyways.

The biggest thing being ignored is that the defense needs players. DC Minter won't solve the problem of thin groups @IDL, LB, and CB. He will need someone to work with... he had very good defensive players @Michigan. Would he really come to LAC knowing we aren't going to get him any defensive help through the draft...? Trading back gives us opportunities to address both offensive and defensive needs in this draft. 3rd and 4th rounds have many good players... both defensive players and offensive players. The cupboards are bare @many positions. The team will never be contenders until both units are solid. You don't have to have one elite group, but you do need both of your groups to be solid. Don't be surprised if the defense wins this coming Super Bowl. I expect a low scoring game.

The strength of this draft is WR, OT, QB..in other words offense....especially at the top end. If you want defense it absolutely requires trading back. I see no defensive player in this draft worthy of the #5 pick.