And With The 5th Pick Of The NFL Draft Chargers Select....Discussion

[CanadianBoltFan]

That's a crazy high prognostication as the floor. PFF had Kittle as the #1 TE last year. Even if you ignore that you're pretty much saying he is guaranteed to be a top 5 player at his position which is all hope and not realistic as it doesn't account for real risks that he busts or gets injured.

Look at Chase Young, he was set as an elite defender pre-draft and some were saying if you removed position her was a better prospect than Burrow.

Yes I am saying Bowers floor is a top 5 TE. I think Bowers has one of the lowest chances of busting in the first round.

Injuries can derail any career of any position in the NFL. If you want to play that card you have to say it about evry player in this draft. Injuries come at any time, any game.

[DerwinBosa]

That's a crazy high prognostication as the floor. PFF had Kittle as the #1 TE last year. Even if you ignore that you're pretty much saying he is guaranteed to be a top 5 player at his position which is all hope and not realistic as it doesn't account for real risks that he busts or gets injured.

Look at Chase Young, he was set as an elite defender pre-draft and some were saying if you removed position her was a better prospect than Burrow.

Yes, that's what the Brock Bowers fan club is trying to make everyone believe. It's all fine. It's part of the draft/silly season we go through every year. I've just never seen this much love for a tight end prospect in my life.

[CanadianBoltFan]

Yeah, after they spent tons of money rebuilding their offensive line, which included trading a first-round pick for Orlando Brown, after that disaster in the Super Bowl against the Bucs. Think they would have done anything close to that if they didn't fix the offensive line after the Bucs trashed them in the Super Bowl?

Of course the Chiefs have addressed the offensive line. Top organization that knows what they are doing. They have also done so by drafting Humphrey and Tre Smith.

They have also won 7 straight division titles without spending a first round pick on OL in the last 10 drafts.

[DerwinBosa]

Of course the Chiefs have addressed the offensive line. Top organization that knows what they are doing. They have also done so by drafting Humphrey and Tre Smith.

They have also won 7 straight division titles without spending a first round pick on OL in the last 10 drafts.

They did spend a first-round pick on an offensive lineman. They traded their 2021 first-round pick to the Ravens for Orlando Brown. They haven't spent one first-round pick on a tight end or wide receiver since Andy Reid became head coach. The one time they were drafting in the top five, first overall in 2013, they used it on a left tackle--the same year they got Travis Kelce in the third round.

[CanadianBoltFan]

They did spend a first-round pick on an offensive lineman. They traded their 2021 first-round pick to the Ravens for Orlando Brown. They haven't spent one first-round pick on a tight end or wide receiver since Andy Reid became head coach. The one time they were drafting in the top five, first overall in 2013, they used it on a left tackle--the same year they got Travis Kelce in the third round.

Yes, 11 drafts ago they drafted Eric Fisher. They needed a left tackle. We dont, we have an all pro.

We will check back in a couple of years and see who has more impact in the NFL, Joe Alt or Brock Bowers. I don't even think Alt will be the best tackle from this draft when its all said and done

[DerwinBosa]

Yes, 11 drafts ago they drafted Eric Fisher. They needed a left tackle. We dont, we an an all pro.

Right, and I'm sure if Reid had Trey Pipkins at right tackle he wouldn't consider using the fifth overall pick in the draft to upgrade that spot at all.

[Bolt4Knob]

Yes, 11 drafts ago they drafted Eric Fisher. They needed a left tackle. We dont, we an an all pro.

We will check back in a couple of years and see who has more impact in the NFL, Joe Alt or Brock Bowers. I don't even think Alt will be the best tackle from this draft when its all said and done

If the Chargers want a RT - drop down and draft Latham from Alabama , a true RT. I think its Bowers or Nabers at 5 or trading back. Chargers have their LT - thats Slater. Get a RT lower in the draft

[bman6555]

Do you draft ANY player from a draft and expect him be MVP of his position in the NFL as a rookie?

How do you know how much impact a guy like Bowers can make? When I think back to the great Charger teams of the 2000s, no one made a bigger difference than LT and GATES....sure there were some good OL...Hardwick, Dielman, McNeill rtc...but none of them will be joining Antonio when he is a first ballot Hall of Famer this summer.

You know how team rank how much impact a player makes? It's simple $$$$.
If you're not getting paid huge dollars the teams don't value you, and can easily replace your production.
Teams would prefer a top 10 edge rusher, WR, or left tackle over having the #1 TE.
Or think of it the other way, why are teams not getting into bidding wars for elite TEs when they hit FA? It's because they are not as important.

https://overthecap.com/positional-value-in-the-nfl

This was after 2021, and the only non-specialists valued less than TEs were Cs.

Gates going to the HoF is not about his value as a whole, it's about what he's produced relative to previous TEs.
Is he better than a Torry Holt or Reggie Wayne for a team, who've been waiting a few years to get in?
If there was a HoF level kicker available in the draft would you take him at #5, of course not?
Why, because a kicker is never worth a first, full stop.

A TE at #5 is only worth it if you're getting near HoF level production, which is a super high hurdle to clear.
If you draft other higher value positions you more likely to get more $$$/wins out of your pick and at the end of the day that is what matters.
If you're all-in on Bowers, then at least trade down and take an extra 2nd at least. No one else in the top 11 is going to use their pick on a luxury position.

[Boltnut]

I value OT, but we need a RIGHT tackle....given this draft is absolutely stacked at tackle, I see no need to take one at 5. You want to trade down for tackle that can play the right side, fine with me, but get the extra picks.

I don't think RT v LT is as cut&dry as it used to be. Lane Johnson and Penei Sewell seem to indicate that.
All I know is that Pipkins should not be trusted to protect Justin Herbert... and Harbaugh believes that is job #1.
I'll let him decide how to do that. It wouldn't have to be the #5 pick.
But @#5, the BPA will most likely be Alt. And that's what you do with the #5 pick.
I too would try like hell to trade back... over and over again I've said this.

[CanadianBoltFan]

Right, and I'm sure if Reid had Trey Pipkins at right tackle he wouldn't consider using the fifth overall pick in the draft to upgrade that spot at all.

You realize that tackle rival WRs as the most stacked position in this draft right? You cant forsee giving Herbert a difference making playmaker that brings some YAC to this plodding offense like Bowers or Nabers, and take a good RT at 37? Or trade down for the many other options ..Fuaga, Guyton, Latham, Mims, Morgan, Fautanu....

No need to use 5th to take a RT

[CanadianBoltFan]

I don't think RT v LT is as cut&dry as it used to be. Lane Johnson and Penei Sewell seem to indicate that.
All I know is that Pipkins should not be trusted to protect Justin Herbert... and Harbaugh believes that is job #1.
I'll let him decide how to do that. It wouldn't have to be the #5 pick.
But @#5, the BPA will most likely be Alt. And that's what you do with the #5 pick.
I too would try like hell to trade back... over and over again I've said this.

Hope your are right because I would rather have Latham or Fuaga, natural right tackles

[bman6555]

Yes, 11 drafts ago they drafted Eric Fisher. They needed a left tackle. We dont, we have an all pro.

We will check back in a couple of years and see who has more impact in the NFL, Joe Alt or Brock Bowers. I don't even think Alt will be the best tackle from this draft when its all said and done

Better question is who will be worth more $$$ in FA Alt, or Bowers?
If you look back at the 2018 draft which all hit FA last year, each top 10 guy signed deals that make more annually than the top TE in the league with the exception of the QB busts (Darnold, Rosen) and Saquon Barkley.