And With The 5th Pick Of The NFL Draft Chargers Select....Discussion

[gzubeck]

word has it that Az would def draft MHJ if he's on the board for them @4, and which means that the either of JJ or Jayden will be on the board, facilitating a trade down if Trader Joe so wishes it....

Top three QBs will be off the board in first three picks. The question will be who moves up or trades down. If for some strange reason Drake Maye is still on the board at #5 Draft Rape is in serious play and we may get a #1 and #2 plus a #1 next year for moving up.

[charger1_sj]

Or...they sit tight and draft One of the remaining three if they have them available. We might get a third if they have a preference for one of the remaining three QBs.

No chance. If I were the Chargers I'd want at least a 2nd. This is assuming a QB or another high value WR, OT is what they want.

There is no clear indication of what will happen with the first four picks until FA. Wilson, Cousins and probably Fields will be available. One or more of the
top four teams may bite. That would not be a good thing for us.

[gzubeck]

No chance. If I were the Chargers I'd want at least a 2nd. This is assuming a QB or another high value WR, OT is what they want.

There is no clear indication of what will happen with the first four picks until FA. Wilson, Cousins and probably Fields will be available. One or more of the
top four teams may bite. That would not be a good thing for us.

If I were the Patriots I would trade for Fields with the 34th pick and draft MH2 with #3.

[beachcomber]

re: a trade down.... gotta believe the most likely partner is Trader Tom,

not sure if there is a great incentive to trade down just one spot for what is valued as their fourth and fifth picks, or you could possibly get them to give you a next year's third, as those of you who think you could get more outta them.... would you give us more if the roles were reversed ??

and if Fields goes to Atlanta, and Cousins stays in Minny, that leaves Sean Payton and of which would prolly cost him his third and a next year's No. 1 ?? ....does that work for either team ??

enter Mr. Tom, who has a this year's second and third to roll out, and of which includes premium trade value, and given that he largely defers to his HC @times, and that Pierce is heavily in favor of bringing in a new QB into the mix, and nothing less than as his starter.... gotta believe Vegas is the leading candidate in a trade down scenario ??

and for those of you who think you're getting more than that back, the only thing I see is that Tom has three seventh rounders, and of which his history suggests he doesn't value them too highly, so perhaps he sets a coupla few of those free as part of the deal.... personally I'd gladly take 'em and pretty certain that Joe would gladly take'm as well.

and personal opinion/suspicion as to who is (still) on the board @13 would include your buddy Brock, the CBs, Laiatu, the two DTs, and (my buddy) Fuaga

[21&500]

I admit I didn't watch a lick of the combine and have been too busy to read much but from looiing at tape a while ago, I see Verse as a stronger and more technically skilled version of Turner, despite the recent hype.
Still my edge 1.
Did I miss anything major?

[Boltjolt]

re: a trade down.... gotta believe the most likely partner is Trader Tom,

not sure if there is a great incentive to trade down just one spot for what is valued as their fourth and fifth picks, or you could possibly get them to give you a next year's third, as those of you who think you could get more outta them.... would you give us more if the roles were reversed ??

and if Fields goes to Atlanta, and Cousins stays in Minny, that leaves Sean Payton and of which would prolly cost him his third and a next year's No. 1 ?? ....does that work for either team ??

enter Mr. Tom, who has a this year's second and third to roll out, and of which includes premium trade value, and given that he largely defers to his HC @times, and that Pierce is heavily in favor of bringing in a new QB into the mix, and nothing less than as his starter.... gotta believe Vegas is the leading candidate in a trade down scenario ??

and for those of you who think you're getting more than that back, the only thing I see is that Tom has three seventh rounders, and of which his history suggests he doesn't value them too highly, so perhaps he sets a coupla few of those free as part of the deal.... personally I'd gladly take 'em and pretty certain that Joe would gladly take'm as well.

and personal opinion/suspicion as to who is (still) on the board @13 would include your buddy Brock, the CBs, Laiatu, the two DTs, and (my buddy) Fuaga

Depends if Chicago wants to get Nabers after MHJ goes to AZ. That could be in play as well.

[dmac_bolt]

Naw the fear of having McCarthy in the same division and having to face him twice a year. I think Harbaugh will have a say one way or the other in that regard.

I'm not afraid of what I just saw at the combine from JJ

I'm not an auto-yes, but I'm definitely not an auto-no if we are negotiating against TT. It all depends on the offer.

TT vs Hortiz ... I'll take our odds in that battle of wits.

[dmac_bolt]

I wouldn't call them questionable, but i like Legette a lot. He is imo a second rounder and this draft I've never mocked a WR in the second round to us and likely won't. Even if we have an extra 2nd rounder. That should be for OC(JPJ) and or DL(Jenkins perhaps)...whatever and start looking at WRs and RBs in round 3-4. Hopefully with extra picks.

But if they draft Legette or McConkey there, ok..

Legette is Legit

[charger1_sj]

Depends if Chicago wants to get Nabers after MHJ goes to AZ. That could be in play as well.

Chicago doesn't have a 2nd rounder. I'd pass on that in favor of Atlanta, that is IF we're going to trade down, which I am not 100% sold
on just yet.

I think we need to wait until FA plays out. That can change a lot of things. We have certain players that would be good trade bait for
draft picks. In such a case take the blue chipper @5.

[dmac_bolt]

19% and 15% is a joke. The point is all of it is a crap shoot.

the simple stat does not factor in how many at each position are drafted in Rd1 each year.

Example:
5 QBs are drafted in Rd 1 to AFC teams
All 5 are good QBs
1 of the 5 is voted to the pro bowl

1 OC is drafted in the first round
he is voted to the pro bowl too

News at 11: "Only 20% of QBs drafted in the first round make the pro bowl, yet 100% of OCs make the pro bowl."

I think there is a dilution effect in the WR, QB, OT numbers. Nor value adjustment. The 2nd best QB could be worth a hell of a lot more than the best Center, for example.

[blueman]

I admit I didn't watch a lick of the combine and have been too busy to read much but from looiing at tape a while ago, I see Verse as a stronger and more technically skilled version of Turner, despite the recent hype.
Still my edge 1.
Did I miss anything major?

Nah, just a buncha dudes running around in their under armor. Same as every year.

[dmac_bolt]

I admit I didn't watch a lick of the combine and have been too busy to read much but from looiing at tape a while ago, I see Verse as a stronger and more technically skilled version of Turner, despite the recent hype.
Still my edge 1.
Did I miss anything major?

I thought so too, but someone posted today a notable fact (i assume its a fact):

Verse is 23yo
Turner is 20yo

I have a new puppy at home, right now he's just an asshole puppy but he'll be a bad ass dog by summer. Turner is gonna be a bad ass dog - thats the theory.

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Puppy (Rye) when he arrived. His old "sister" is not amused ............ Rye, 4 weeks later. Sis still not amused, now he thinks its funny.

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