Official 2025 NFL Draft Superthread | Prospect Discussion

[Budsman]

If they see a Rd1 value at IOL, I’ll believe in them and their talent rating abilities until I see they were wrong. I just don’t see such a player myself yet. I would just note that BAL has not taken an OL player in Rd1 since 2016, and that was an OT. They took 2 since 1997, which is 26 drafts, and both were OTs. Zero IOL Rd1 draft picks this century. If anyone still believes the Joe is Bal meme (I’m not a full convert to that theory), its just not true they lockstep took OL players in Rd1.

oops - correction, they took an OC Linderbaum with their second of 2 #1s at #25 in 2022. Make that 1 IOL player in R1 in 26 years. I guess we just don’t know.

I know that they hit on the first two picks and those are very important but our 3rd and 4th picks have been non factors this season. Colson has been injured and having a hard time beating out Perryman for the starters role when healthy and Eboigbe has been on the side of a milk carton all season. The back to back Corner picks will great in the 5th, but Vidal, Rice and Johnston have been misses. Vidal has had opportunities to beat out Gus and stake his claim to the starting role and didn’t for whatever reason, Johnston isn’t on the team anymore and Rice is so far in the dog house they won’t even let him suit up.

It’s a fine draft, and hitting on 4 out of 9 picks is solid but it’s not some sort of amazing rate. Those 3-4th rounders are extremely important to hit on because they give your team the depth and cheap talent it needs to build around.

[DerwinBosa]

If we had pip at RT and JPJ at guard the line would be worse but the IOL would be better and our WRs would have a true Alpha. It’s not ridiculous because obviously all things would change.

If Ladd can put up Nabors level numbers with Herbert Nabors would be gunning for Offensive Rookie of the year numbers. I love Ladd but don’t forget Nabors is a a consensus better athlete and overall WR than Ladd.

All that being said, I’m happy with Alt, Nabors could have been better but then we don’t have Ladd. All things considered the first 2 picks were good (3-4…mixed bag). They need a high RB this year. I was really hoping we could be in the area of a Jeanty drop but it’s looking less and less likely. TE in the first round is such a gamble. I would not be shocked by a lineman at all. All I know is we need a WR that can take the top off defenses and keep them honest, and a stud RB who can spell Dobbins. If we get those two I’ll be happy.

It is ridiculous. Joe Alt may already be the second-best right tackle in the NFL right now, behind Penei Sewell. Malik Nabers hasn't even proved that he's better than fellow LSU wide receiver Brian Thomas, Jr., who was selected 17 picks after Nabers and is having a better season in spite of an unstable quarterback situation--with Mac Jones currently starting.

[powderblueboy]

Easton Stick could be throwing to Nabers at this point if we had taken Malik over Alt.

No way would we be 11-4 if we had Nabers instead of Alt. That's absolutely ridiculous. Alt has been fantastic.

You need to go back to the original statement to which I was responding: "Roman's offense does not need high quality receivers to work".
Something to that effect.

Chargers are 9 - 6 with perhaps one high quality receiver ..... doesn't need to be Nabers, but what would the Charger's record be by having added a stud receiver to their assemble?

I said 11 - 6 .... you seem to think it would still be 9 - 6. Okay!

[powderblueboy]

Alt/McConkey or Nabers/Frazier ...... I would have chosen the latter on draft day (although I preferred Jackson powers Johnson - i'm not a scout)

Pip moving out of the RG spot would be addition by subtraction .... the middle would be much better today.
A very debatable choice between the two.

I'm perfectly happy with Alt/McConkey.

[powderblueboy]

It is ridiculous. Joe Alt may already be the second-best right tackle in the NFL right now, behind Penei Sewell. Malik Nabers hasn't even proved that he's better than fellow LSU wide receiver Brian Thomas, Jr., who was selected 17 picks after Nabers and is having a better season in spite of an unstable quarterback situation--with Mac Jones currently starting.

My dream was draft r...ing Minnesota and getting Taliese Fuaga and Brian Thomas Jr. with their two picks.
Then getting a center at the top of round two,
and then another 2nd from Minny (the draft r..ing part)

I read an article yesterday on how Minny was trying to trade up to the Charger's position, draft Nabers, and then trade away Justin Jefferson.
I wonder what they were offering?

Evidently, not enough.

[dmac_bolt]

I know that they hit on the first two picks and those are very important but our 3rd and 4th picks have been non factors this season. Colson has been injured and having a hard time beating out Perryman for the starters role when healthy and Eboigbe has been on the side of a milk carton all season. The back to back Corner picks will great in the 5th, but Vidal, Rice and Johnston have been misses. Vidal has had opportunities to beat out Gus and stake his claim to the starting role and didn’t for whatever reason, Johnston isn’t on the team anymore and Rice is so far in the dog house they won’t even let him suit up.

It’s a fine draft, and hitting on 4 out of 9 picks is solid but it’s not some sort of amazing rate. Those 3-4th rounders are extremely important to hit on because they give your team the depth and cheap talent it needs to build around.

Agree, but recommend we not rate the draft after year 1 as its too often wrong. I don't discount the importance of getting actual star players in Rd1 and 2. Later draft picks tend to be depth and situational and role players, but if you're not getting star players early your draft is a fail and we absolutely nailed the first two. The DB Bros saves the draft from overall negative in year 1.

But I think Colson will become a mainstay in 2025, my eyes tell me he needed more time adjusting to NFL but he has the tools to excel. If that means 2024 draft pulled 5 starters, that is very good.

I have your same questions on Eg. Vidal 3rd string backup talent imo, I would bet his horrible pass pro is reason #1 we see so little of him but I don't see the innate extra-level talent to become a top RB in this league. 7th round WR fliers were hail mary's that didn't connect - I have never been in the Rice wagon like so many here after watching his PS work. I just don't see it. Will another year turn him into a WR3 or WR4? maybe, but that looks like his ceiling to me and its still a hope, not likelihood.

so yeah, maybe. tbd agree.

[DerwinBosa]

You need to go back to the original statement to which I was responding: "Roman's offense does not need high quality receivers to work".
Something to that effect.

Chargers are 9 - 6 with perhaps one high quality receiver ..... doesn't need to be Nabers, but what would the Charger's record be by having added a stud receiver to their assemble?

I said 11 - 6 .... you seem to think it would still be 9 - 6. Okay!

I agree we would be better (perhaps even better than 11-4) if we had Alt, McConkey, and a wide receiver like Malik Nabers.

[Chargers8491]

If they see a Rd1 value at IOL, I’ll believe in them and their talent rating abilities until I see they were wrong. I just don’t see such a player myself yet. I would just note that BAL has not taken an OL player in Rd1 since 2016, and that was an OT. They took 2 since 1997, which is 26 drafts, and both were OTs. Zero IOL Rd1 draft picks this century. If anyone still believes the Joe is Bal meme (I’m not a full convert to that theory), its just not true they lockstep took OL players in Rd1.

oops - correction, they took an OC Linderbaum with their second of 2 #1s at #25 in 2022. Make that 1 IOL player in R1 in 26 years. I guess we just don’t know.

I get looking at what the Ravens have done because of Hortiz but the main difference is Jim Harbaugh. He covets the o-line and protecting Herbert is #1 priority. I agree that we just don't know, and we won't. All of us are just throwing darts at this point.

[dmac_bolt]

I agree we would be better (perhaps even better than 11-4) if we had Alt, McConkey, and a wide receiver like Malik Nabers.

I'm not so sure we'd be better with no RT to go with no IOL at all. we'll never know i guess.

[powderblueboy]

I know that they hit on the first two picks and those are very important but our 3rd and 4th picks have been non factors this season. Colson has been injured and having a hard time beating out Perryman for the starters role when healthy and Eboigbe has been on the side of a milk carton all season. The back to back Corner picks will great in the 5th, but Vidal, Rice and Johnston have been misses. Vidal has had opportunities to beat out Gus and stake his claim to the starting role and didn’t for whatever reason, Johnston isn’t on the team anymore and Rice is so far in the dog house they won’t even let him suit up.

It’s a fine draft, and hitting on 4 out of 9 picks is solid but it’s not some sort of amazing rate. Those 3-4th rounders are extremely important to hit on because they give your team the depth and cheap talent it needs to build around.

I heard a GM say years back that if you can draft two (quality) starters in a draft, you did a good job.
Chargers have 4 .... so far.

Colson is a rookie who has been injured and plays behind a quality vet (when healthy) in Denzel.
Nothing harder than getting started in the NFL playing hurt.

Eboigbe plays a position that takes longer than any other position in the NFL to develop.
Typically, DTs start coming on in their 3rd year ..... see Madabuike, Derrick Brown, etc. ....its a hard position to master with a lot of tricky, seasoned vets coming at you from all different angles. Maybe, by watching the Chargers interior all season, we think it should be a cake walk.

Rice might be a bust, but I'd wait until next season to stick a fork in him.
The fact that Vidal plays invalidates the miss part (he's a 6th rounder), but I don't see him being any long term fix.

[dmac_bolt]

I get looking at what the Ravens have done because of Hortiz but the main difference is Jim Harbaugh. He covets the o-line and protecting Herbert is #1 priority. I agree that we just don't know, and we won't. All of us are just throwing darts at this point.

I don't buy the Ravens West theory as much as many here do either. I know Jim values OL, tip of spear and all that. but if the player is not there, the player is not there. Taking a 3rd round talent in Rd1 doesnt deliver his goal, it hurts his team and he's a smart man.

Or - Maybe there really is a great OG or OC Rd value out there, I'm not a great OL scout. The universe of analysts say there isn't but they are wrong enough that If JH2 think he's there and take one, then I'll support. I want a Day 1 starter from Rd1, a better IOL, and more weapons for Herbert than he now has - nothing less. I don't care where or how they accomplish this.

[DerwinBosa]

If they see a Rd1 value at IOL, I’ll believe in them and their talent rating abilities until I see they were wrong. I just don’t see such a player myself yet. I would just note that BAL has not taken an OL player in Rd1 since 2016, and that was an OT. They took 2 since 1997, which is 26 drafts, and both were OTs. Zero IOL Rd1 draft picks this century. If anyone still believes the Joe is Bal meme (I’m not a full convert to that theory), its just not true they lockstep took OL players in Rd1.

oops - correction, they took an OC Linderbaum with their second of 2 #1s at #25 in 2022. Make that 1 IOL player in R1 in 26 years. I guess we just don’t know.

They took Ben Grubbs, a guard, in the first round in 2007. Ironically, they got an even better guard in the third round that same year, when they selected Marshal Yanda, who is currently a semi-finalist for the Pro Football Hall of Fame (he SHOULD get in this year, but who knows?).

I'm sure the Ravens would have selected a guard in the first round more recently if one such as Zak Martin or Quenton Nelson was available. But it's not very often there is one of those available to you, especially when you're selecting in the twenties, and there most likely won't be when we're up next April.