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  • Formula 21
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    Now, if you excuse me, I have some Charger memories to suppress.
    Let’s win one for Mack.

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    • Formula 21
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      Here's my report on UConn CB Byron Jones:

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      Now, if you excuse me, I have some Charger memories to suppress.
      Let’s win one for Mack.

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      • WindsorUK
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        Originally posted by Panamamike View Post
        I agree..... If it doesn't jump out on tape, it's just a mirage. Use the combine to reinforce what you already know, not make huge leaps over what the game tape reveals.
        +1
        Well said Panamamike.

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        • JDA21
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          Mike Mamula alert!

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          • Fleet
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            CBS Sports' Rob Rang believes Pittsburgh OT T.J. Clemmings could be a fit at No.17 for the Chargers, and notes that he's "raw but more athletic than Fluker," who projects best at guard.
            "The Chargers re-signed left tackle King Dunlap to a four-year deal and GM Tom Telesco said the plan is to leave D.J. Fluker at right tackle. That might change if Clemmings is on the board. Clemmings is a former defensive end who has steadily improved at right tackle the past two years. He's raw but more athletic than Fluker, who many feel projects best at guard," Rang wrote. Although the 6-foot-6, 315-pound Clemmings is a bit raw, he does show off great power and could be a nice fit for the Chargers' run game. Down the road, the athletic Clemmings could be seen as a future replacement at left tackle for the 29-year-old King Dunlap.

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            • Millionaire Wussy
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              Originally posted by Fleet View Post
              CBS Sports' Rob Rang believes Pittsburgh OT T.J. Clemmings could be a fit at No.17 for the Chargers, and notes that he's "raw but more athletic than Fluker," who projects best at guard.
              "The Chargers re-signed left tackle King Dunlap to a four-year deal and GM Tom Telesco said the plan is to leave D.J. Fluker at right tackle. That might change if Clemmings is on the board. Clemmings is a former defensive end who has steadily improved at right tackle the past two years. He's raw but more athletic than Fluker, who many feel projects best at guard," Rang wrote. Although the 6-foot-6, 315-pound Clemmings is a bit raw, he does show off great power and could be a nice fit for the Chargers' run game. Down the road, the athletic Clemmings could be seen as a future replacement at left tackle for the 29-year-old King Dunlap.
              Works for me. I guess E. Flowers is more at home at LT so maybe this guy is the better pick for us. Only thing is I could see some mistakes in 2015 with Cummings as he learns the position. But maybe his athleticism will make up for his lack of experience as an o-lineman.
              For Stinky-Jon-Wizzleteats....

              "Pray for strength and healing oh and money!"

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              • Steve
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                Originally posted by Sec-E4 View Post
                I would'nt readjust too much ...Some of these guys can't apply their talent and quickness to the actual NFL pace and everything else that comes along with it

                Running a fast 40 and throwing 70 yards from one knee isn't always a good thing...I'm just stating the obvious



                Not sure that Jones is just a workout guy. Check it out for yourselves. Be warned, it is from 2013, so not last season.

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                • JDA21
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                  Originally posted by alex View Post
                  Works for me. I guess E. Flowers is more at home at LT so maybe this guy is the better pick for us. Only thing is I could see some mistakes in 2015 with Cummings as he learns the position. But maybe his athleticism will make up for his lack of experience as an o-lineman.
                  the guy was playing DT 2 years ago...I don't want a project with our 1st rounder especially after last year where our top 2 picks barely saw the field. We need a guy that can step in and produce right away.

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                  • Stinky Wizzleteats+
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                    Melvin Gordon it Gurley!
                    Go Rivers!

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                    • Stinky Wizzleteats+
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                      ESPN vs Chargers: Who drafted best?

                      ESPN's Mel Kiper and Todd McShay are two of the most respected draft gurus around. Would the Chargers have benefited from their draft advice?
                      By Stefanie Loh11 a.m.Feb. 27, 2015Updated11:23 a.m. ⎙ Print
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                      Detroit Lions running back Mikel Leshoure (25) gets a block from teammate Riley Reiff, right, as he tries to break a tackle by Minnesota Vikings linebacker Erin Henderson, center, during the first half of an NFL football game on Sunday, Nov. 11, 2012, in Minneapolis. (AP Photo/Jim Mone)

                      Detroit Lions running back Mikel Leshoure (25) gets a block from teammate Riley Reiff, right, as he tries to break a tackle by Minnesota Vikings linebacker Erin Henderson, center, during the first half of an NFL football game on Sunday, Nov. 11, 2012, in Minneapolis. (AP Photo/Jim Mone) — AP










































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                      It's that time again.

                      The post-NFL Combine, pre-Pro Day frenzy of mock draft upon mock draft.

                      ESPN's Mel Kiper and Todd McShay are two of the most respected NFL draft analysts in the business, and McShay released an updated post-Combine mock draft Thursday.

                      But how accurate are McShay and Kiper?

                      We compare their first round predictions for the San Diego Chargers over the last five years to the Chargers' actual selections to see who drafted better in hindsight.


                      Who drafted best for the Charger Kiper vs. McShay vs. the Chargers


                      Year

                      Chargers' 1st round draft order

                      Todd McShay's pick

                      Mel Kiper's pick

                      Chargers' pick

                      Who did it best?

                      2010 12th RB Ryan Mathews (Fresno State) CB Kareem Jackson (Alabama) Mathews Kiper
                      2011 18th DT Muhammed Wilkerson (Temple) DE J.J. Watt (Wisconsin) DE Corey Liuget (Illinois) Chargers
                      2012 18th OG David DeCastro (Stanford) DE Whitney Mercilus (Illinois) LB Melvin Ingram (Southern Carolina) McShay
                      2013 11th LT Luke Joeckel (Texas A&M) OT D.J. Fluker (Alabama) OT D.J. Fluker (Alabama) Chargers
                      2014 25th LB Anthony Barr (UCLA) CB Stan Jean Baptiste (Nebraska) CB Jason Verrett (TCU) Chargers
                      2015 17th DT Malcom Brown (Texas) RB Melvin Gordon (Wisconsin) ?


                      So far, Kiper seems to have a better sense of the Chargers' needs than McShay. The Chargers, however, have proved pretty astute too.

                      2010: Kareem Jackson had a breakthrough season for the Houston Texans in 2012, was also efficient in 2014 and is now rated second best available free agent cornerback by Pro Football Focus. Former Fresno State running back Ryan Mathews has had his moments in San Diego but man, he just can't seem to shake that injury bug.

                      2011: Corey Liuget has panned out well for the Chargers and he led the defense with 4.5 sacks in 2014. But it's too bad the Texans snapped up Watt at No. 11 before San Diego could pick that year.

                      2012: Melvin Ingram has been injury-prone, and David DeCastro has worked out well for the Pittsburgh Steelers and could have bolstered the offensive line for San Diego.

                      2013: D.J. Fluker is still working on his pass protection skills, but has proved his worth on San Diego's offensive line. Todd McShay's suggestion, Luke Joeckel, was long gone by the time San Diego got to pick.

                      2014: Anthony Barr would have been a force in the Chargers linebacking corps, but he was gone before the Chargers got to draft. Jason Verrett had a promising start in 2014 before he got hurt and should build on that in 2015.

                      2015: Todd McShay thinks the Chargers should draft defensive tackle Malcom Brown. Kiper selected Wisconsin running back Melvin Gordon for the Chargers in his last mock draft, but in fairness to him, he hasn't released an updated mock since the NFL Combine, and he told reporters this week that given the talent, teams should wait till the second round to draft running backs.

                      Conclusion: Chargers 3, Kiper 1, McShay 1
                      Go Rivers!

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                      • Formula 21
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                        Now, if you excuse me, I have some Charger memories to suppress.
                        Let’s win one for Mack.

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                        • Stinky Wizzleteats+
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                          Bolts seek Jarret Johnson-Ravens model
                          By Tom Krasovic 07:00a.m. Mar 2, 2015


                          Jarret Johnson was a terrific player for the Ravens.

                          When he moved on, the Ravens were calm.

                          They plugged in a trusted prospect.

                          The year after Johnson left to the Chargers, the Ravens won the Super Bowl with a large assist from the edge defender they'd groomed to replace him.

                          Paul Kruger emerged as Baltimore's sack leader in the 2012 season, followed with 2.5 sacks in the playoff opener and, three games games later, posted two more sacks in a Super Bowl 47 victory over the 49ers.

                          When valuable players move on, the Ravens plug in a player who then shines. It's a hallmark of their success.

                          Johnson, who spent nine years with Baltimore, praised the Ravens model when asked during his three-year Chargers tenure that ended last week with his retirement.

                          "The Ravens are very good at developing players," he said. "You may have to wait your turn, but they always seem to have guys coming."

                          Johnson said he and other Ravens defenders were lucky to learn firsthand from two all-time greats in linebacker Ray Lewis and safety Ed Reed. He deemed it impossible to outwork Lewis, who devoted many hours to film study.

                          Ravens coaches, meantime, impressed Johnson as visionaries who could teach and motivate.

                          He cited his own success as proof. A defensive lineman for Alabama, he carved out an NFL career as a linebacker after coordinator Rex Ryan persuaded General Manager Ozzie Newsome to take him in the fourth round of the 2003 draft.

                          Under the guidance of several coaches, Johnson become an above-average strongside linebacker.

                          Chargers must do the same

                          Johnson praised the developmental prowess of Chargers General Manager Tom Telesco and coach Mike McCoy, now entering their third year together.

                          Talking once about the success of safety Jahleel Addae, whom Telesco signed as a college free agent and McCoy touted as a potential core player, Johnson said "that's how you build a championship team."

                          Super Bowl winners employ many players who were former college free agents or late-round draftees.

                          Finding players at the 99 Cent Store and developing them into helpers is a must for any team with Super Bowl designs.

                          The process can test the patience of insiders and outsiders, however.

                          Kruger, for example, started only one game in his first three seasons. The former second-round draftee was on the final year of his rookie deal when Johnson left.

                          Now the Chargers will find out if Tourek Williams, a sixth-round choice of Telesco's in 2013, is ready to replace Johnson.

                          Melvin Ingram figures to play both outside linebackers spots. Can he put it together like Kruger did in 2012?

                          Along with Johnson, seven-time Pro Bowler Dwight Freeney advised young Chargers linebackers.

                          Are second-year player Jerry Attaochu and teammates ready to turn their mentors' lessons into production?

                          The Ravens model is worth emulating for one other reason. Because their free agents command large contracts from other NFL teams, the Ravens tend to rank among the NFL's leaders in compensatory draft picks.

                          A year after the Chargers signed Johnson to a four-year, $19 million pact, for instance, the Browns committed a $40 million deal to Kruger.

                          The Chargers will get no draft picks from the departures of Johnson and likely Freeney. Still, the team would welcome solid seasons from the likes of Ingram, Attaochu and Williams.

                          It's time for them to do Johnson and Freeney proud
                          Go Rivers!

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