OT Matt Araiza - Accused Of Rape

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  • Heatmiser
    HarbaughHarrisonHeatMiser
    • Jun 2013
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    Originally posted by chaincrusher View Post

    Heatmeister, of course the plaintiff's attorney does not want his client portrayed as a gold digger. Whether her claims are true or false, the attorney would have the same reaction. The opinion that his client is a gold digger would potentially be harmful to the case if that view found its way to the jury.

    And yes, settlement offers get rejected all the time as being unsatisfactory in some way to the rejecting party. If it was rejected, I do think it was because plaintiff's counsel advised the plaintiff that she could probably get more in a later offer.

    The plaintiff's case is seeking money damages. There seems to be some confusion about that point on this forum, but there is none in my legally trained view since the OP was good enough to post a link to the complaint.

    If you look at post #112, the part in red is what the plaintiff is seeking from Araiza. Special damages are economic damages such medical expenses or lost wages, for example. General damages are noneconomic damages such as pain and suffering damages. Obviously, special damages are more easily determined than general damages as there is no formula for general damages. But at the end of the day they are both categories of money damages.

    Moreover, punitive damages, which are also being sought (very reasonably so if the allegations are true), are money damages awarded to a plaintiff for the purpose of punishing the conduct of the defendant for knowingly acting with malice, oppression, and/or in conscious disregard of the rights of another. In Araiza's case, the theory is that Araiza wanted to get his rocks off and did not care at all about what harm might come to the young lady that he allegedly raped when he raped her and even apparently did so while having an STD.

    The notion that a civil lawsuit that specifically seeks money damages is not seeking money damages is ridiculous and should cause the attorney to lose credibility, making it a questionable statement to make if that was what was actually said. Judging from the attorney's bar number only, the attorney has been practicing in California since about the late 1990s, so the attorney is experienced.

    Even if the plaintiff wanted to pursue her action "for the principle of the matter", the attorney is involved in the practice of law for a living and is likely only getting paid in one of two ways--either he is charging the plaintiff hourly, not likely unless the plaintiff or her family has money to pay as they go, or he is taking the case on a contingent fee basis, which means that he only gets paid if there is a settlement or judgment in plaintiff's favor. That latter arrangement is far more likely in a case like this one involving one or more defendants that have the apparent money to pay, but the reality is that we do not know the fee arrangement with certainty.

    What we do know is that most attorneys do not take on large, time consuming and costly cases without getting compensated and plaintiffs do not put themselves through the rigors of lawsuits (written discovery, depositions, physical/mental examinations in some cases depending upon the allegations, hours of preparation if the case goes to trial, et cetera) without there being something at the end of the rainbow. Otherwise, it simply is not worth it from both a financial and mental health standpoint to do so.
    Thanks Chain!

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    • Fouts2herbert
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      • Sep 2021
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      From reading some of the comments being posted here maybe I got this all wrong and maybe this girl is a menace. Maybe she should be arrested for “premeditatively provoking a gang rape for money that jeopardizes the careers and endangered the health of 20 valuable entertainers” I mean why else would she have gone there, right?
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      • dmac_bolt
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        • May 2019
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        Originally posted by Steve View Post
        It's not magic to think he was going to be an NFL player. He was possibly the most exciting punter prospect in NFL history. Plus, never underestimate the ability of local people to overestimate how good their local prospects are.

        That being said, yeah, I don't think money is at the root of this. If it was, they would have waited, unless there is some time limit coming up. Even then, he is a punter, so while there some money there potentially, he really wasn't going to make a boatload right off the bat. Even if her attorney didn't know that, it would have taken him less than an hour to do the research.

        To me, this has to be her trying to get her pound of flesh. She, or her legal team, seems to be trying to stop his career before it gets started, which I think they have probably done.
        Most plausible motive for the timing i’v seen - right here. If she was trying to maximize money (either settlement or civil award) from Araiza, she picked an obviously bad time to file the suit - right before his first paycheck.
        “Less is more? NO NO NO - MORE is MORE!”

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        • richpjr
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          • Jun 2013
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          Originally posted by Fouts2herbert View Post
          From reading some of the comments being posted here maybe I got this all wrong and maybe this girl is a menace. Maybe she should be arrested for “premeditatively provoking a gang rape for money that jeopardizes the careers and endangered the health of 20 valuable entertainers” I mean why else would she have gone there, right?
          How about wait until the legal system runs its course, since the only "details" we know is what her legal team has put out? And since her lawyer seems pretty sleazy, I'm not going to judge one way or another.

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          • Steve
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            • Jun 2013
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            Originally posted by Fouts2herbert View Post
            .... maybe this girl is a menace.....

            ... premeditatively provoking a gang rape for money ....
            How would that even work?

            I understand how people could get into these situations. I have 2 daughters, so it is kinda a recurring nightmare ... but how could a person do it in such a way to turn it to their advantage????

            Either she is lying her ass off for profit, which unless the document from the 1st page seems unlikely, or she made a mistake going to a college party and got caught up in a horrible situation. And having 2 daughters that age and being around college kids for most of my teenage and adult life, I see the 2nd as much more likely. It happens all the time. It just seems like there were a lot of potential outcomes, and it seems like they could all be pretty bad for her, and it would be hard to turn it to financial advantage.

            Now, should she have not gotten drunk and not gone to that party? Yes, absolutely. But the price of that mistake for every girl who goes to a party and gets really drunk should not end up with them being sexually assaulted.

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            • Formula 21
              The Future is Now
              • Jun 2013
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              Did some asshole tape it instead of stopping it? Maybe someone made the wrong choice then and now tries to correct the bad choice.
              Now, if you excuse me, I have some Charger memories to suppress.
              The Wasted Decade is done.
              Build Back Better.

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              • OG619FrightninLightnin
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                • Aug 2022
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                This thread is the right place to find all the posters who need to be unfollowed possibly banned.

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                • richpjr
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                  Originally posted by OG619FrightninLightnin View Post
                  This thread is the right place to find all the posters who need to be unfollowed possibly banned.
                  Why is that?

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                  • Budsman
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                    Originally posted by OG619FrightninLightnin View Post
                    This thread is the right place to find all the posters who need to be unfollowed possibly banned.

                    sarcastic willy wonka GIF

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                    • Budsman
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                      • May 2017
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                      Originally posted by Fouts2herbert View Post
                      From reading some of the comments being posted here maybe I got this all wrong and maybe this girl is a menace. Maybe she should be arrested for “premeditatively provoking a gang rape for money that jeopardizes the careers and endangered the health of 20 valuable entertainers” I mean why else would she have gone there, right?
                      I try to avoid these convos but I’ll put in my two cents. People are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law, she doesn’t have enough proof to convict in a Criminal case so she is taking it to civil court. In todays age of believe everyone and cancel culture it’s much easier to get 51% of a jury to agree on guilt than 100%.

                      I have no clue if her claim is true and if it is I feel extremely bad for her. I also know that our legal system does feel bad sometimes because it requires the burden of proof to be on the victim to prove the crime. This may feel bad but it is by design, our legal system is willing to let guilty people walk to avoid having innocent people in jail (and still fails).

                      Overall, I don’t know what happened and I don’t feel like speculating on it. The court will decide if he is civilly guilty and in this current culture he is likely to be convicted, imho.

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                      • Boltdiehard
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                        • May 2019
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                        Originally posted by OG619FrightninLightnin View Post
                        This thread is the right place to find all the posters who need to be unfollowed possibly banned.
                        Because censorship is working so well right? Ban everyone for wrong think and what are you left with? Another empty, lifeless echo chamber.

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                        • captaind
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                          • Jun 2013
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                          Originally posted by OG619FrightninLightnin View Post
                          This thread is the right place to find all the posters who need to be unfollowed possibly banned.
                          Not like I proposed moving Jammer to safety.

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