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    I am wondering....
    Is the problem that the Chargers are having in the 4th qtr due to a problem with conditioning?

    Bosa always seems gassed late game.
    There is little pass rush late game, which has allowed opposing quarterbacks time to shred the defense and score lots of points.

    How much of this is a general lack of conditioning?
    Or have all the injuries made for fewer backups, so starters have to play more snaps, thus are tired at the end of the game?

    Or does conditioning have nothing to do with it? If so, then what?

  • #2
    Seems to have been a conditioning issue for the past 40 years.

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    • #3
      Lack of maintaining momentum with a lead. That has a lot to do with how much desire the HC instills in his players. A good coach keeps momentum shifts to a minimum. Chargers are woefully vulnerable to momentum shifts. It takes a certain kind of HC presence that keeps players focused beyond playing for their own glory or their paycheck. These days, players don't care if they're in their HC's doghouse. Bobby Ross was the last Charger HC whose players didn't want to be in his doghouse for their bonehead play.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by JustAnotherFan View Post
        I am wondering....
        Is the problem that the Chargers are having in the 4th qtr due to a problem with conditioning?

        Bosa always seems gassed late game.
        There is little pass rush late game, which has allowed opposing quarterbacks time to shred the defense and score lots of points.

        How much of this is a general lack of conditioning?
        Or have all the injuries made for fewer backups, so starters have to play more snaps, thus are tired at the end of the game?

        Or does conditioning have nothing to do with it? If so, then what?
        I think it's a combination of a couple things:
        1. Conditioning could be better
        2. Our play-calling seems to go kind of conservative in the second half--too many 3 and outs, then our D is on the field too much--no wonder they look so gassed.
        3. Poor defensive scheming by Bradley, especially vs. the two-minute offense--needs to put together more of a variety of blitz packages, Red Dog, Safety Blitz, Jailbreak, ANYTHING but that same...ZZZZzzzzz....old...ZZZzzzzz...vanilla...ZZZ zzzzzz...Defense....ZZZZzzzZZZZzzzZZZzzz....

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        • #5
          My take: offensively, we simply don't have enough reliable game-breakers or that one special go-to guy on offense. Keenan is fast and reliable, but still one step slower than players like Hopkins and Tyreek.

          This is a great example of how valuable that can be, on a crucial play at 1:23 of the video:
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rOepHfYmEU

          You tell these players, "We need something clutch. Get downfield and light their ass up." That's exactly what Carr and Ruggs did in that video during a crucial down. We got the arm, now we need the speed. That'd also instantly make Keenan the best WR2 in the league and having Mike Williams as a third option would be an intimidating offense to cover every single minute of the game. That's exactly what the Chiefs had in the Super Bowl vs the league's best defense at the most crucial times: a great quarterback and that extra level of speed.

          When you have those dynamic weapons, the playcalling can open up because those players can make something out of nothing in a close game:
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63U0Jd5JjaA

          Doesn't even necessarily have to be speed, but a big reliable target like Gronk was or a big intimidating physical force nobody wants to tackle like Derrick Henry or Marshawn Lynch. Somebody who just has that kind of impact on the field. You want the ball in their hands and let them make the big play to seal the game. Having a great quarterback (although this is key) and some reliable players just isn't enough in today's model.
          Last edited by MusicMakerInMe; 10-17-2020, 05:12 AM.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Boltjolt View Post
            Seems to have been a conditioning issue for the past 40 years.
            We have had escaped mental patients running our Strength and Conditioning programs for the last 40 years.

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            • #7
              Lots of things add up to it, but I think most of all it is we are being outcoached in the second half of games. We seem to have no answers for adjustments made by other teams.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by MusicMakerInMe View Post
                My take: offensively, we simply don't have enough reliable game-breakers or that one special go-to guy on offense. Keenan is fast and reliable, but still one step slower than players like Hopkins and Tyreek.

                This is a great example of how valuable that can be, on a crucial play at 1:23 of the video:
                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rOepHfYmEU

                You tell these players, "We need something clutch. Get downfield and light their ass up." That's exactly what Carr and Ruggs did in that video during a crucial down. We got the arm, now we need the speed. That'd also instantly make Keenan the best WR2 in the league and having Mike Williams as a third option would be an intimidating offense to cover every single minute of the game. That's exactly what the Chiefs had in the Super Bowl vs the league's best defense at the most crucial times: a great quarterback and that extra level of speed.

                When you have those dynamic weapons, the playcalling can open up because those players can make something out of nothing in a close game:
                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63U0Jd5JjaA

                Doesn't even necessarily have to be speed, but a big reliable target like Gronk was or a big intimidating physical force nobody wants to tackle like Derrick Henry or Marshawn Lynch. Somebody who just has that kind of impact on the field. You want the ball in their hands and let them make the big play to seal the game. Having a great quarterback (although this is key) and some reliable players just isn't enough in today's model.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by richpjr View Post
                  Lots of things add up to it, but I think most of all it is we are being outcoached in the second half of games. We seem to have no answers for adjustments made by other teams.
                  I'm with you Rich.
                  Opposition seems to make good adjustments while we make none at all.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by JustAnotherFan View Post
                    I am wondering....
                    Is the problem that the Chargers are having in the 4th qtr due to a problem with conditioning?

                    Bosa always seems gassed late game.
                    There is little pass rush late game, which has allowed opposing quarterbacks time to shred the defense and score lots of points.

                    How much of this is a general lack of conditioning?
                    Or have all the injuries made for fewer backups, so starters have to play more snaps, thus are tired at the end of the game?

                    Or does conditioning have nothing to do with it? If so, then what?
                    Not just Bosa but the entire starting defensive front. Bosa is merely more focused on due to his name and that he's expected/paid to make crucial 4th quarter sacks. I would hope they are gassed because of maximum effort. "Gas" Bradley must really be slamming on the gas too much lol.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Topcat View Post

                      I think it's a combination of a couple things:
                      1. Conditioning could be better
                      2. Our play-calling seems to go kind of conservative in the second half--too many 3 and outs, then our D is on the field too much--no wonder they look so gassed.
                      3. Poor defensive scheming by Bradley, especially vs. the two-minute offense--needs to put together more of a variety of blitz packages, Red Dog, Safety Blitz, Jailbreak, ANYTHING but that same...ZZZZzzzzz....old...ZZZzzzzz...vanilla...ZZZ zzzzzz...Defense....ZZZZzzzZZZZzzzZZZzzz....
                      agree...... but the biggest issue is Bradleys schemes never work when the opponent actually wants to score or has to score...... and it does not matter who the QB is...... some make excuses because of injurioes of when we play a great QB or offense, but bad teams also score whenever needed ...... and this has been going on for many years..... a couple of years ago, whe we went 12-4 it was a fluke.... we were extremely lucky and got every break in the book.....

                      How many games has Bradley's defense actually stopped the other team from scoring on the last drive to save a win????? I can think of one where we had a strip sack fumble recovery on lamar Jackson to save us from losing that game after giving up a huge lead..... but I don't recall any others...... im sure there must be at least one other one but there are not very many..... and Gus's defense has almost always given up an easy score right before each half ends...... that is horrible coaching....

                      Our ST's are not well coached either...... our kicker kickjs the bal;l deep in endzone yet our opponents sometimes run them ourt v=because ouyr coverage teams stop running, assuming tyhe other team will down the ball........ well-coached teams like KC, NE, and others always finish plays...... always pick up loose balls..... etc....Chargers dont always do those simple things......

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Charge! View Post

                        agree...... but the biggest issue is Bradleys schemes never work when the opponent actually wants to score or has to score...... and it does not matter who the QB is...... some make excuses because of injurioes of when we play a great QB or offense, but bad teams also score whenever needed ...... and this has been going on for many years..... a couple of years ago, whe we went 12-4 it was a fluke.... we were extremely lucky and got every break in the book.....

                        How many games has Bradley's defense actually stopped the other team from scoring on the last drive to save a win????? I can think of one where we had a strip sack fumble recovery on lamar Jackson to save us from losing that game after giving up a huge lead..... but I don't recall any others...... im sure there must be at least one other one but there are not very many..... and Gus's defense has almost always given up an easy score right before each half ends...... that is horrible coaching....

                        Our ST's are not well coached either...... our kicker kickjs the bal;l deep in endzone yet our opponents sometimes run them ourt v=because ouyr coverage teams stop running, assuming tyhe other team will down the ball........ well-coached teams like KC, NE, and others always finish plays...... always pick up loose balls..... etc....Chargers dont always do those simple things......
                        Yep...Bradley's "defense" is so predictable, especially our pass defense...okay, so we've had some injuries, big deal--a LOT of teams have multiple injuries at one time...so most good coaches will overcome this by being UNpredictable--different looks, blitzes, stunts, change the D up, for crying out loud...just for a change of pace, I'd like to see 4-5 safety blitzes from the blind side every game...why not?

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