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  • Stinky Wizzleteats+
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    #37
    Silent Stan Kroenke’s Move Threatened by Chargers/Raiders Plan
    We’ve all heard the term “life imitates art,” and in the case of the Los Angeles vs. St. Louis stadium saga, this couldn’t be more true.
    Remember the 1988 film Die Hard? Hans Gruber heads to Los Angeles trying to attain untold riches, by trying to steal $600 million from the Nakatomi Corporation, holding a large group of people hostage in order to disguise his true intentions. Gruber is thwarted by the hero, John McClane, played by Bruce Willis.

    Rams owner Stan Kroenke has offered no reaction to plans for a new stadium in St. Louis.
    Well, here in 2015, we have a man, Stan Kroenke, that wants to go to Los Angeles to make untold millions by moving the St. Louis Rams there. On January 5, he announced plans to build an 80,000 seat stadium in Inglewood, California. In real life, St. Louis football fans are the ones being held hostage, not knowing whether or not they’re going to have a team. And he looked like he would be able to execute the plan without a hitch. But now we have a real life John McClane in this situation, and his name is Mark Fabiani, the special counsel for San Diego Chargers owner Dean Spanos.
    Last week, the Chargers and the Oakland Raiders announced their plans to build their own stadium in Carson, California, becoming a fly in the ointment for Kroenke. Now, Kroenke’s planned money grab doesn’t look like as much of a lock. Metaphorically, Fabiani, the Chargers and the Raiders have used McClane’s famous line on the terrorist “Yippee-ki-yay, mother#*!@$&.”
    The Chargers and Raiders very deftly kept their land purchase on the down-low, even though they had the plan to buy it during the summer.
    They admitted that they set their plan in motion and designed their stadium only after Kroenke took the initiative on his own in L.A.
    While Kroenke still has a tremendous plan to get to SoCal and very well might wind up there, the Raiders and Chargers will bring strong cases to the table if they go to the NFL with a desire to move. The Raiders have been trying to get a new stadium in Oakland for at least six years, and in a very public manner have voiced their desire to work with and stay in Oakland.
    The Chargers are in their fifteenth year of trying to get a new stadium in San Diego, and since the Rams and Raiders left in 1995 have cultivated the market so that they claim 25% of their revenue from Orange County and Los Angeles. They have no fewer than nine stadium proposals that have been put forth between the franchise and seven different mayors in that time. Like the Raiders, the Chargers have said they’ll only move to Los Angeles as a last resort in the event they can’t get a stadium deal in their home market.

    Missouri Governor Jay Nixon has forged ahead with his STL stadium plan despite Kroenke’s silence.
    Meanwhile, Kroenke has worked through a mandatory arbitration process in St. Louis, but otherwise hasn’t personally participated in any attempt to get a new stadium in his home market. It’s been two years since the arbitration concluded, and the Rams owner not only hasn’t put forth a proposal to get a new stadium in St. Louis, but he hasn’t spoken to the Governor of the state or the Mayor of the city. A veteran developer, nobody knows how to build something with government help more than Kroenke. I feel comfortable in saying that there has NEVER been a time that he has waited for a municipality to come to him with a plan to build a shopping center with tax increment financing. When Kroenke wants to build something, he goes to a city with a plan and tells them what he wants.
    The NFL relocation guidelines clearly state that “All clubs, at any time during their stadium negotiations, are free to seek the assistance of the League Office and the Stadium Committee, on either a formal or informal basis. If, having diligently engaged in good faith efforts, a club concludes that it cannot obtain a satisfactory resolution of its stadium needs, it may inform the League Office and the stadium landlord or other relevant public authorities that it has reached a stalemate in those negotiations.”
    After six years, the Raiders might be able to say that. After fourteen years, the Chargers might be able to. They’ve both stayed in touch with the NFL, and given their home territories a legitimate chance to make a last ditch effort to build a stadium.
    And in St. Louis, Gruber…err, Kroenke…stays away and says nothing as Governor Nixon’s task force continues to forge ahead with remarkable progress on a new stadium.
    There’s every chance that Kroenke, who clearly WANTS to take advantage of enhanced revenues, will arbitrarily move his franchise to L.A. despite the league having rules against that, and two distressed franchises that NEED to relocate because they can’t survive economically in their current markets. And there’s every chance that the league, led by the Chargers, will do everything IT can to prevent such a move.
    Kroenke, like Hans Gruber, thought he had a clear path to all that wealth in Los Angeles. And now football’s version of John McClane, the Chargers, are the monkey in the wrench. The symbolism of their announcement says one thing to the guy trying to get the money in Los Angeles. Yippee-ki-yay, mother#*!@$&.
    Last edited by Stinky Wizzleteats+; 02-23-2015, 07:28 PM.
    Go Rivers!

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    • Stinky Wizzleteats+
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      #38
      LT on Stadium Mess: ‘Will Do My Part to Keep Chargers in San Diego’
      POSTED BY KEN STONE ON FEBRUARY 23, 2015 IN SPORTS | 39 VIEWS | LEAVE A RESPONSE

      Chargers great LaDainian Tomlinson vows to “do my part” to keep his former team in San Diego and avert a proposed Chargers-Raiders stadium in Carson.

      “I can’t picture it … the San Diego Chargers going anyplace else,” the retired running back said Monday night before being inducted into the Breitbard Hall of Fame. “I guarantee that not one player is interested in teaming up with the Raiders. … I am going to try to do my part to make sure the San Diego Chargers stay in San Diego.”

      Tomlinson made the comments to media outside a ballroom at the Town and Country Resort and Convention Center in Mission Valley.

      “Like anything, it came down to money,” he said. “That’s the root of the problem. But I believe both sides — with this Mayor Kevin Faulconer — I really believe he wants to keep the San Diego Chargers in San Diego.”

      Tomlinson said he believes that the Faulconer is “the first mayor who has said this.”

      “I want to get something done. And knowing [Chargers owner] Dean Spanos the way I know him,” he wants to keep the team here, Tomlinson said. “I really don’t see why two sides can’t sit down and work something out — if they truly both want to be here in San Diego.

      “I grew up as a man in the San Diego community. I was involved in the community both on and off the field. … The fans here, they have an affection for me. I have an affection for them. They have seen me play, and I have seen them cheer — so I couldn’t see the San Diego Chargers going anywhere else.”

      Asked how he could help keep the Chargers in town, Tomlinson said: “Just show my support for what the mayor is trying to do” as well as the Chargers. “I think they want to stay here.”

      But Tomlinson said he also wanted to be “a voice for the fans.”

      All around town, he said, he’s implored to “help the Chargers stay here. I heard that a thousand times today.”

      Besides Tomlinson, the Bolts’ career rushing leader, former major league first basemen Chris Chambliss and Tony Clark were inducted into the San Diego Hall of Champions’ Breitbard Hall of Fame.

      Ceremonies were held at the museum’s annual Salute to the Champions gala.

      Tomlinson played for the Chargers from 2001-2009, rushing for 12,490 yards and 138 touchdowns, both team records, and led the NFL in rushing in 2006 and 2007. Tomlinson played the final two seasons of his professional career with the New York Jets.

      Chambliss, a former Oceanside High School standout, played 17 Major League Baseball seasons for three teams, batting .279 and hitting 185 home runs.

      Chambliss is best remembered for hitting the tie-breaking home run in the bottom of the ninth inning in the decisive fifth game of the 1976 American League Championship Series, giving the New York Yankees their first pennant since 1964.

      Clark hit. 262 with 251 home runs in 15 seasons. The Christian High School product and onetime San Diego State basketball star was last year named the executive director of the Major League Baseball Players Association, the players union.

      The museum’s Hall of Fame is named after the late founder Bob Breitbard
      Go Rivers!

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      • BlazingBolt
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        #39
        If LT is publicly involved in a successful stadium push that keeps the team in town he automatically becomes the greatest most legendary sports figure in the city's history.
        migrated from chargerfans.net then the thenflforum.com then here

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        • Mister Hoarse
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          #40
          It's a Push Year!
          Dean Spanos Should Get Ass Cancer Of The Ass!
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          • Millionaire Wussy
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            #41
            Originally posted by Mister Hoarse View Post
            It's a Push Year!
            It's all about continuity.
            For Stinky-Jon-Wizzleteats....

            "Pray for strength and healing oh and money!"

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            • Beerman
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              #42
              Very interesting article in the UT today about financing via SD county reserve funds. First thing that actually makes sense and seems to have legs.

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              • QSmokey
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                #43
                Originally posted by Beerman View Post
                Very interesting article in the UT today about financing via SD county reserve funds. First thing that actually makes sense and seems to have legs.
                I gotta read that article. But with all this city's/county's more important problems, it would seem that "reserve funds" could - should - be put to better use elsewhere.

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                • Faded blues
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                  #44
                  Originally posted by QSmokey View Post
                  I gotta read that article. But with all this city's/county's more important problems, it would seem that "reserve funds" could - should - be put to better use elsewhere.
                  Disagree. For a loan standpoint, letting the chargers borrow the money then pay it back with interest is a great way for the city to earn extra cash. I think we are all in agreement that the nfl makes hand over fist. So paying a loan back is a safe bet.

                  then the county can use the money being paid back and interest to complete worthy projects or cover the uninsured liability issues that governments face.

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                  • Millionaire Wussy
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                    #45
                    Originally posted by Faded blues View Post
                    Disagree. For a loan standpoint, letting the chargers borrow the money then pay it back with interest is a great way for the city to earn extra cash. I think we are all in agreement that the nfl makes hand over fist. So paying a loan back is a safe bet.

                    then the county can use the money being paid back and interest to complete worthy projects or cover the uninsured liability issues that governments face.
                    If it's truly a loan how could that not be a win-win for us and the Chargers?
                    For Stinky-Jon-Wizzleteats....

                    "Pray for strength and healing oh and money!"

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                    • Millionaire Wussy
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                      #46
                      Originally posted by QSmokey View Post
                      I gotta read that article. But with all this city's/county's more important problems, it would seem that "reserve funds" could - should - be put to better use elsewhere.
                      Are reserve funds typically kept as disaster relief? Like for fires?
                      For Stinky-Jon-Wizzleteats....

                      "Pray for strength and healing oh and money!"

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                      • bonehead
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                        #47
                        Originally posted by alex View Post
                        Are reserve funds typically kept as disaster relief? Like for fires?


                        I think we can all agree this has been an unmitigated disaster.
                        Forget it Donny you're out of your element

                        Shut the fuck up Donny

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                        • TABF
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                          #48
                          The county is (Rightfully so) forcing themselves into the mix of this stadium issue. Ron Roberts met w/the TF and stated that a County 'bridge loan' might be the way to finance the stadium... He said the county could front the public share until surrounding development began generating funds.

                          It kinda pisses me off that the county does not have a representative on the TF as this is a regional issue with regional interests that stand to win/lose with this issue. I like the fact that the County has made themselves relevant in this issue.

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