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  • Stinky Wizzleteats+
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    #97
    Gostkowski refused to fully cooperate, too

    Posted by Mike Florio on May 8, 2015, 8:51 AM EDT

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    In the two days since the Ted Wells report emerged, plenty has been said about the decision of the Patriots not to make Jim McNally available for a follow-up interview and Patriots quarterback Tom Brady not to provide his text messages and emails.

    At pages 30 and 31 of the report, another player is identified as refusing to cooperate fully.

    “Stephen Gostkowski declined a similar request for pertinent electronic communications, but, unlike Brady, we did not press our request to him because his communications were not viewed as central to our work,” Wells writes.

    Regardless of whether or not Ted Wells pressed Gostkowski, the failure to cooperate with a league investigation automatically constitutes conduct detrimental to the league. Absent separate — and stern — discipline, that sets a precedent that could be used by other players, teams, coaches, etc.

    Got incriminating info on your phone? Refuse to provide it. Know things that would tend to point toward guilt? Refuse to talk, or at least refuse to answer certain questions.

    Some fans think that’s OK, spouting off principles that apply only in the context of criminal prosecutions. But the right to remain silent, the presumption of innocence, the requirement of proof beyond a reasonable doubt, and all other Constitutional protections only matter when the outcome is prison or death.

    For workplace investigations, the employer makes the rules. And when the employer expects cooperation, anything other than significant sanctions for failure to cooperate will invite others to refuse to cooperate.

    During the various significant NFL investigations in recent years, cooperation has been consistent, and automatic. The Saints cooperated when the NFL was investigating the bounty case. The Ravens cooperated when the NFL was investigating the Ray Rice elevator video. The Dolphins cooperated when the NFL was investigating the bullying scandal — with the exception of trainer Kevin O’Neill, who expressed hostility to the investigation and later was fired.

    Per multiple sources, Ravens employees automatically and without hesitation surrendered their cell phones for forensic examination that entailed a specific search for certain recipients and phrases. The procedure balanced the needs of the investigation with individual privacy rights.

    Here, multiple individuals chose to extend their privacy rights so broadly that it interfered with their obligation to cooperate with their employer. Separate from whatever the Patriots did or didn’t do to the footballs, the failure to cooperate requires punishment, or others will do the same thing in the future
    Go Rivers!

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    • Wheels
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      #98
      Originally posted by vinabolt View Post
      As a Jimmy Garoppolo fan and one that turn off by some of Brady attitude in recent years I want to see him suspense for some games, so Garoppolo can show his skills. I think he'll be a stud in NE after TB retire. I just want to see Garo on the field to see what he can do.

      Goodell will be intimidate by the pressure of the fans and media and will cave in. But, Brady will appeal and I think he'll win easily. In other cases, there are direct evidences of the wrongdoing, like video footages, direct witnesses etc. In this case, there is no prove, no witness. I look at the the reports but it's hard to find any evidence that have enough weight to lay down a disciplinary action or legal action. How can you discipline someone based on "more probable than not"?

      All they really have is the text between the 2 guys who doesn't said clearly that Brady told them to deflate the ball below the league rule. Everyone has the right to deflate the ball, as long as it's within the limit. So, 1 of the guy call himself the "Deflator" doesn't hold much weight. Many QBs want the ball to be deflated so he can have a better grip on the ball.

      This could get ugly. Let see if Brady family cave in for the sake of the team and Brady career (if he want to keep playing), or sue Goodell just to "sent a message". NE played well in the SB last year out of "us agaisnt the world" mindset. This, if anything, probably will help BB to "brainwash" his players with the same mantra again.

      The reason you can lay down the law is because you have both motive and possession (possession is 9/10 of the law as they say). Then you have many other pieces of evidence corroborating such as the text messages from the Patriots employees, and the balls disappearing which the head ref called unprecedented. Who in the end had those balls? A patriot employee who has referred to himself as the deflator. This ridiculous burden of proof argument is as specious as Brady's agent thinking the League has a duty to tip the Patriots off to the fact they were going to test whether the team was going to cheat. I'm sure that would work well for law enforcement. Let's email suspects ahead of time to give them notice we're scrutinizing them.

      But from what I heard, the rule that they are probably going to use is conduct detrimental to the league, and it will be because the Patriots and Tom both failed to cooperate.
      Last edited by Wheels; 05-08-2015, 09:22 AM.

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      • Stinky Wizzleteats+
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        #99
        While cheating is not suggested, the proximity between the fumble rate and the possible deflation is gathering more credibility. Sharp's gun is suddenly smoking again.
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        • Stinky Wizzleteats+
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          The Daily Show is an Emmy- and Peabody Award-winning program that looks at the day’s top headlines through a sharp, reality-based lens.


          John Stewart on Brady... Classic must see!
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          • Stinky Wizzleteats+
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            "I hope deflate-gate is a good lesson for kids. If you cheat and don't play fair you will be the MVP of the Super Bowl and marry one of the most beautiful women on earth. Remember that."

            — JIMMY KIMMEL
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            • Sec-E4
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              Did you guys see the interview with Brady??? Wow! Brady looked superrrrr uncomfortable


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              • TTThunder
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                I think it is fair to say that:

                Without suspicious activities, NE never win the Superbowl....



                Go Rookies!!!

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                • richpjr
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                  Originally posted by TTThunder View Post
                  I think it is fair to say that:

                  Without suspicious activities, NE never win the Superbowl....



                  Go Rookies!!!
                  C'mon - every single team in the league, including the Chargers, bends or breaks some rules.

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                  • Stinky Wizzleteats+
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                    Not with impunity...
                    Go Rivers!

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                    • bonehead
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                      Originally posted by Stinky Wizzleteats+ View Post
                      Not with impunity...
                      Their coaches (Josh McDaniel) leave and take what they've learned with them......it's what they do
                      Forget it Donny you're out of your element

                      Shut the fuck up Donny

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                      • Stinky Wizzleteats+
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                        Go Rivers!

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                          Go Rivers!

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