Draft Poll

[NoMoreChillies]

remember Lawrence and Vea getting regularly dissed on the forum for just the same.... I think Davis has notable lateral agility/cat quickness.... for a man of his size and girth.

walterfootball scouting reports:

Dexter Lawrence
Strengths:

• Rare size/speed combination
• Heavy nose tackle
• Good athlete
• Flexible
• Change-of-direction skills
• Can eat up double teams
• Lateral anchor
• Quickness
• Bull rush
• Tough run defender
• Carries weight well
• Strong at the point of attack
• Good get-off when fresh
• Quick at the point of attack
• Successful against good competition
• Uses hands and feet at same time
• Not easy to move at the point of attack
• Ready to contribute quickly
• Can play a variety of techniques in both 4-3 or 3-4
• Tough
• Plays injured
• Upside

Weaknesses:

• Needs more pass-rushing moves
• Suspension to end collegiate career
• Gets dinged up
• Inconsistent; streaky player
• Will need to stay on top of his conditioning
• Can play too high when fatigued

https://walterfootball.com/scoutingr...9dlawrence.php



Vita Vea
Strengths:

• Surprising athleticism
• Explosive defender
• Good instincts
• Very disruptive
• Physical force at the point of attack
• Tough run defender who can hold his gap
• Excellent run defender
• Good burst off the snap
• Has some pass-rushing skills
• Collapses the pocket
• Can destroys guards and centers with a bull rush
• Flashes speed to run by them
• Very strong
• Very quick for his size
• Closes well for a heavy tackle
• Ability to shed blocks
• Frees up edge rushers, linebackers
• Can play with good leverage
• Uses bull rush to push the pocket
• Perfect fit as a 3-4 nose tackle
• Good fit as a 4-3 tackle
• Eats up double teams
• Good motor
• Gives a second effort
• Awareness
• Upside

Weaknesses:

• Can play too high sometimes
• Pad level
• Could use more pass-rushing moves

https://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2018vvea.php

Jordan Davis
Strengths:

• Rare size/speed combination
• Heavy nose tackle
• Good athlete
• Flexible
• Change of direction skills
• Can eat up double teams
• Lateral anchor
• Quickness
• Bull rush
• Tough run defender
• Eats up blockers; frees up linebackers
• Carries weight well
• Strong at the point of attack
• Good get-off when fresh
• Quick at the point of attack
• Successful against good competition
• Uses hands and feet at same time
• Impossible to move at the point of attack
• Ready to contribute quickly
• Can play a variety of techniques in a 4-3 or 3-4
• Tough
• Upside

Weaknesses:

• Limited pass-rusher
• Will need to stay on top of his conditioning
• Can play too high when fatigued

https://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2022JDavis.php

These 3 scouting reports seem very similar to me

[equivocation]

Vea and Lawrence both put up 50% more stats/game as younger players.

[Boltjolt]

There are some good speed WR propsects later like Skyy Moore, Jalen Tolbert, Romeo Doubs, Christian Watson, Calvin Austin.

And that's nice. We have a speed reciever who caught one long pass this past season.

Burks could be a Deebo Samuel type.....who also is a speed guy.

Not saying WR should be our top pick but he should be in the conversation. Again til we know what FA' cy has landed us.

[Velo]

Long snapper. Overton is on the wrong side of 35.

[equivocation]

And that's nice. We have a speed reciever who caught one long pass this past season.

Burks could be a Deebo Samuel type.....who also is a speed guy.

Not saying WR should be our pick but he is in the conversation. Again til we know what FA' cy has landed us.

Guyton is a UFDA with a limited route tree and lacks separation at the top of intermediate routes. Each of those guys is a much more complete WR plus YAC ability.

[Boltjolt]

Guyton is a UFDA with a limited route tree and lacks separation at the top of intermediate routes. Each of those guys is a much more complete WR plus YAC ability.

They are? Lol. Famous last words round here.
Guyton had 3 years NFL experience. How much do those guys have?

Doubs isn't a polished route runner and Moore will be a later round pick. In fact all those guys are from smaller schools. No guarantee of success from those guys.

Look at Jalen Reager struggling badly in Philly.
Palmer took some time to get some targets.

[Velo]

Is that right?
Guyton had 3 years NFL experience. How much do those guys have? Doubs isn't a polished route runner and Moore will be a later round pick. In fact al those guys are from smaller schools. No guarantee of success from those guys.
Look at Jalen Reager struggling badly in Philly

Guyton has a good thing going with Herbert, they know each other well. When he is on the field, the opposing secondary has to defend every blade of grass on the third level because of Herbert's ability to throw to parts of the field most QBs can't reach, and Guyton's deep speed and ability to track and catch Herbert's deep balls. DBs have to respect that, Herbert/Guyton have burned enough defenses in the past two seasons. Don't mess with it. It works. Guyton is going to be cheap, and he will be worth it.

[equivocation]

Is that right?
Guyton had 3 years NFL experience. How much do those guys have? Doubs isn't a polished route runner and Moore will be a later round pick. In fact al those guys are from smaller schools. No guarantee of success from those guys.
Look at Jalen Reager struggling badly in Philly

There's no guarantees in the draft especially outside the top 15.

Are you saying Guyton is a good route runner? Shows explosion at the top of the route stem?

[AL9000]

I think people are seeing the player they want him to be rather than whats on film. Everyone looks great in highlights, but even in highlights he's jumping gaps rather than controlling the LOS. I agree he has high upside. He lacks the production and film of a great propsect.

The couple things you mentioned are very coachable.

[AL9000]

I agree with your take regarding Davis. He has some ability and makes some good plays, but he is not that powerful and he is not that quick. He is mainly just really big and harder to move because of that. Dexter Lawrence was taken at 1-17 in 2019 (the year we took Tillery) and Lawrence is much better than Davis.

I see Davis as a mid round 2 player, maybe even a little later than that.

I do not see any 3-4 DL players that I would be comfortable with us drafting in round 1 in this year's draft.

Not sure what you’ve watched on him but he’s super quick for his size. Although I disagree with you on the powerful comment, that and conditioning are solved in an NFL weight room/pro training.

[AL9000]

Also there’s absolutely ZERO chance Jordan Davis doesn’t come off the board in round 1.

[Boltjolt]

There's no guarantees in the draft especially outside the top 15.

Are you saying Guyton is a good route runner? Shows explosion at the top of the route stem?

I'm not saying he is a good route runner but again he has 3 years experience with 2 of those watching and learning from Keenan. He has improved but polished, no.

I'm not even a huge Guyton fan but he is fast and has made big plays for us. One of those guys could be better in time or not. I'm all for improving but I also think MW is coming back.
But til FA'cy is in the books, every scenario is possible. Even the Jameson/Burks talk which if MW don't come back is a very possibility.