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  • ArtistFormerlyKnownAsBKR
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    Terrible: Stadium, Product, Experience and 'history'

    Yesterday was the first time I had been to a game at the Q since 2008 when we lost a close one on Sunday night against Peyton Manning's Colts. Of course yesterday's game on the field was a debacle. But it was actually the worst fan experience I have ever had in all of my years of attending professional sports events.

    I have been to many games at the Q over the years and have thought "Yeah, OK it's old and doesn't have all the amenities but it's not bad.' No longer true. It's now just awful. Obviously the structure is old but it's dirty. It needs a power wash in the worst way. Nothing seems like it's been painted recently. Frankly nothing looks like it's been updated in years. It's like some run-down college crib for a half-assed program. Might even look like the stadium in the original 'The Longest Yard' (oh to have had Richard Kiel for a handful of plays yesterday. Maybe we would have at least broken one frickin neck).

    We unfortunately got nosebleed seats so you have to take this into consideration. We checked out the concessions options on the concourse and it was the typical 'upstairs all the same choices' windows, which is fine but even those had about 5 options and that was it. And the menu signs themselves were of the painted on plywood variety that had maybe last been painted in 2010. Not even the option to buy beer at a window, which ya know, kind of makes a food-beer purchase a little more convenient than standing in line at the window and then getting in a second line at the beer cart. Of course, neither place accepts credit cards....as in WTF it's 2015?! I can't think of the last time I went to a game of any kind where the cart vendors weren't even equipped with card readers. And of course, good luck finding an ATM because you'll walk all over creation to find one. My wife did not want any of the options upstairs so she sent me in to see the Alumni event (more on that later) and went downstairs to get food. So they had turned the escalators off so she had to walk down those, stood in line forever, got her second choice bc they were out of what she wanted and then had to walk back up the circular ramp deals. She went downstairs about 15 mins before the gametime and returned mid-first quarter. We didn't bother with beers or anything else bc it would have meant missing too much of the game. One thing I see at other stadiums and arenas in recent years is that they have made a greater attempt to create concessions accessibility so people can get what they want, spend a lot of money and get back to their seats without missing too much of the games. Now of course, the concourses of this older structure are fairly narrow which somewhat limits the ability to do that but there are solutions. They choose not to invest. You're not making money, Spanos? Look in the GD mirror on that one. The scoreboards are a joke, not only in terms of size but in terms of capability. You can't really see the video if the sun is out and the old lightbulb setup for out of town scores and marriage proposals might as well be the Fenway Park scoreboard. Nobody, I mean nobody is running such crappy scoreboard/video setups.

    Now, as for the game itself....if you bothered to go or watch on TV....well, I pity you. Those who paid to watch that shitshow were suckers. I was a sucker. But this is largely a team of no heart and no pride MF'ers. It's not just lack of talent. The drops by the WRs were just ridiculous. Our return game is just ridiculous (Herndon's drop? No comment). Our defense is just a sieve, making the broke-ass Chiefs look like the Patriots. Have you noticed that we have spent the whole season inside our 20 yd line? For all the yards we piled up early in the season, we sure haven't spent much time on the opponent's side of the 50. And echoing BoltX's mantra (which I've supported), it's one thing to see these games on the tube but another to see them in person. You pick up on things that you just can't perceive on TV. One thing that is visually obvious (and even my wife said something) is that when you see us and an opponent line up on either side of the ball, our guys are just smaller. It's like HS kids playing Ohio St. They just look smaller, so it's no wonder they get pushed around all game long. To the people that are down on Rivers, give me a break. That guy was scrambling for his life all game. We know he's not a mobile QB, so to expect things from him on the run is just stupid. Every play he had guys in his face within a second. There might as well have been only a center lining up on the OL to snap the ball for as good as the rest of those clowns did him. Gordon also shows flashes of being able to get things done and can keep moving when he takes a blow from a defender...just like Ryan Mathews. But he rarely gets a chance bc our line just gets pushed back into him. Any yardage he gets is all on him. So, BoltX, I completely agree. Every draft choice in the next draft needs to be 100% trenches with maybe an ILB thrown in. Reich's playacting was predictably crap (Oh wow, he did put in one *crazzzy* dazzle dazzle play) and McCoy's conservative management was awful. You're losing your ass 19-3 and you punt on 4th from midfield with 9:57 left? Really? Was the big comeback going to start with 5-6 mins left??? All that said, we were only down 12-3 with like 4 mins left in the 3rd.

    So, the only and I mean only positive yesterday was the LT jersey retirement. His words were humble, classy and heartfelt. The LT, LT, LT chants from the crowd were electric and reminded me of better times. Of course, even that moment was marred. I knew LT was going to mention the ownership and I knew that was going to be greeted with boos. But it was the right thing for LT to thank them. And while I share everyone's feelings about the ownership, I was sad that LT had to hear any boos at all during his moment, especially when they had nothing to do with him. It was great to see the banner with his number raised among the other Chargers all-timers (of course I will also say that I believe some numbers are missing, but whatever). Another lackluster aspect of the day was that they didn't even run a highlight tribute with some of his greatest runs/greatest moments. What? Are you kidding me? Who wouldn't do that? Not that you could even see them on the crappy screens. And for LT to have to watch that giant dump the team took on the field was very sad to me.

    My final gripe is about the 'Alumni' ceremony before the game. I'm sorry, but while there were some awfully good Chargers players in attendance, there were a lot of scrubs that had a cup of coffee with the Bolts that were out there. Some guys I didn't even remember were on the team. Really? Those are the alumni we want to celebrate? Seems to me a lot of guys didn't come bc this ownership simply doesn't offer them anything.

    It was a sad day all the way around. SD fans won't go to that stadium, in part, bc it's junk. People even show up for the sucking Padres bc the venue makes for a great experience. SD fans also won't show to watch the crappy Chargers product, especially with uninspired, uncreative game planning/coaching and an ownership that is invisible while being openly hostile to the people that have made it happen for them. So hooray for self-fulfilling prophesies. If it weren't for Chiefs fans that stadium would have looked very, very empty. They didn't take over like some of the other teams have this year but they sure were there once it got to 19-3.

    This is the end of my rant. I don't really know what to think. A new stadium is a must, but the owners don't deserve much in the way of public financing bc of the slack way they present their organization and create a fan experience/connection with the team. The whole day just felt Mickey Mouse. Go Iger!
  • Boltx
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    #2
    Sorry you had a bad experience, bud.

    Your post sums up everything wrong with the Chargers right now.
    ESPN Screename: GoBolts02

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    • 6025
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      #3
      Your post should be a full page ad that runs weekly in the SDUT.

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      • Bolt-O
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        #4
        There still are people who think that building is savable, that all it needs is a renovation. That might work if the place was a football only venue like Arrowhead, or Lambeau, but if you ever go to a newer facility you just know that it isn't true for that place, and that is just looking at the fascia. The guts are known to be a mess as well. You can also do a renovation wrong... like Soldier Field, which lost all its charm when they decided to park a spaceship around it.

        As far as the actual game, I missed most of the second half, thank god, because my over-the-air signal died. Its getting hard to even look at the charger games, when all you see is ugly and not fun. All you can do is laugh, and try to detach from the outcome and move forward.

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        • SDFan
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          #5
          Originally posted by 6025 View Post
          Your post should be a full page ad that runs weekly in the SDUT.
          let's do a GoFundme page and post giant billboards all over San Diego!
          Life is too short to drink cheap beer :beer:

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          • Den60
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            #6
            All alumni are invited to the game. If you suited up for the Chargers even for one game you deserve to be there.

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            • QSmokey
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              #7
              Originally posted by Den60 View Post
              All alumni are invited to the game. If you suited up for the Chargers even for one game you deserve to be there.
              You're only a Charger one GAME at a time.

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              • MakoShark
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                • Jun 2013
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                #8
                You nailed it BKR, and I second 6025's post. That 'product' should be called out for what it is. Garbage! If you bought a new car and it turned out to be this bad, you'd demand protection under a 'lemon law'. This team IS unwatchable. They've gone from comical to outright incompetent. I can't cancel my Sunday Ticket soon enough.
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                • richpjr
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                  #9
                  Hard to argue any of your points about the state of the stadium or the team. But I looked at yesterday a bit differently. I took two of my kids and we had a great tailgate. Good food, played some games, got to sit outside in beautiful weather. Got to see the LT retirement ceremony and that was great. The game of course sucked, but the realization that we might not win again this year already sunk in a couple of games ago so the stress/anger/disappointment level usually associated with a Charger loss wasn't present. We left when McCoy conceded the game by punting so beat the traffic out of the stadium and got home early.

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                  • SDFan
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by ArtistFormerlyKnownAsBKR View Post
                    Yesterday was the first time I had been to a game at the Q since 2008 when we lost a close one on Sunday night against Peyton Manning's Colts. Of course yesterday's game on the field was a debacle. But it was actually the worst fan experience I have ever had in all of my years of attending professional sports events.

                    I have been to many games at the Q over the years and have thought "Yeah, OK it's old and doesn't have all the amenities but it's not bad.' No longer true. It's now just awful. Obviously the structure is old but it's dirty. It needs a power wash in the worst way. Nothing seems like it's been painted recently. Frankly nothing looks like it's been updated in years. It's like some run-down college crib for a half-assed program. Might even look like the stadium in the original 'The Longest Yard' (oh to have had Richard Kiel for a handful of plays yesterday. Maybe we would have at least broken one frickin neck).

                    We unfortunately got nosebleed seats so you have to take this into consideration. We checked out the concessions options on the concourse and it was the typical 'upstairs all the same choices' windows, which is fine but even those had about 5 options and that was it. And the menu signs themselves were of the painted on plywood variety that had maybe last been painted in 2010. Not even the option to buy beer at a window, which ya know, kind of makes a food-beer purchase a little more convenient than standing in line at the window and then getting in a second line at the beer cart. Of course, neither place accepts credit cards....as in WTF it's 2015?! I can't think of the last time I went to a game of any kind where the cart vendors weren't even equipped with card readers. And of course, good luck finding an ATM because you'll walk all over creation to find one. My wife did not want any of the options upstairs so she sent me in to see the Alumni event (more on that later) and went downstairs to get food. So they had turned the escalators off so she had to walk down those, stood in line forever, got her second choice bc they were out of what she wanted and then had to walk back up the circular ramp deals. She went downstairs about 15 mins before the gametime and returned mid-first quarter. We didn't bother with beers or anything else bc it would have meant missing too much of the game. One thing I see at other stadiums and arenas in recent years is that they have made a greater attempt to create concessions accessibility so people can get what they want, spend a lot of money and get back to their seats without missing too much of the games. Now of course, the concourses of this older structure are fairly narrow which somewhat limits the ability to do that but there are solutions. They choose not to invest. You're not making money, Spanos? Look in the GD mirror on that one. The scoreboards are a joke, not only in terms of size but in terms of capability. You can't really see the video if the sun is out and the old lightbulb setup for out of town scores and marriage proposals might as well be the Fenway Park scoreboard. Nobody, I mean nobody is running such crappy scoreboard/video setups.

                    Now, as for the game itself....if you bothered to go or watch on TV....well, I pity you. Those who paid to watch that shitshow were suckers. I was a sucker. But this is largely a team of no heart and no pride MF'ers. It's not just lack of talent. The drops by the WRs were just ridiculous. Our return game is just ridiculous (Herndon's drop? No comment). Our defense is just a sieve, making the broke-ass Chiefs look like the Patriots. Have you noticed that we have spent the whole season inside our 20 yd line? For all the yards we piled up early in the season, we sure haven't spent much time on the opponent's side of the 50. And echoing BoltX's mantra (which I've supported), it's one thing to see these games on the tube but another to see them in person. You pick up on things that you just can't perceive on TV. One thing that is visually obvious (and even my wife said something) is that when you see us and an opponent line up on either side of the ball, our guys are just smaller. It's like HS kids playing Ohio St. They just look smaller, so it's no wonder they get pushed around all game long. To the people that are down on Rivers, give me a break. That guy was scrambling for his life all game. We know he's not a mobile QB, so to expect things from him on the run is just stupid. Every play he had guys in his face within a second. There might as well have been only a center lining up on the OL to snap the ball for as good as the rest of those clowns did him. Gordon also shows flashes of being able to get things done and can keep moving when he takes a blow from a defender...just like Ryan Mathews. But he rarely gets a chance bc our line just gets pushed back into him. Any yardage he gets is all on him. So, BoltX, I completely agree. Every draft choice in the next draft needs to be 100% trenches with maybe an ILB thrown in. Reich's playacting was predictably crap (Oh wow, he did put in one *crazzzy* dazzle dazzle play) and McCoy's conservative management was awful. You're losing your ass 19-3 and you punt on 4th from midfield with 9:57 left? Really? Was the big comeback going to start with 5-6 mins left??? All that said, we were only down 12-3 with like 4 mins left in the 3rd.

                    So, the only and I mean only positive yesterday was the LT jersey retirement. His words were humble, classy and heartfelt. The LT, LT, LT chants from the crowd were electric and reminded me of better times. Of course, even that moment was marred. I knew LT was going to mention the ownership and I knew that was going to be greeted with boos. But it was the right thing for LT to thank them. And while I share everyone's feelings about the ownership, I was sad that LT had to hear any boos at all during his moment, especially when they had nothing to do with him. It was great to see the banner with his number raised among the other Chargers all-timers (of course I will also say that I believe some numbers are missing, but whatever). Another lackluster aspect of the day was that they didn't even run a highlight tribute with some of his greatest runs/greatest moments. What? Are you kidding me? Who wouldn't do that? Not that you could even see them on the crappy screens. And for LT to have to watch that giant dump the team took on the field was very sad to me.

                    My final gripe is about the 'Alumni' ceremony before the game. I'm sorry, but while there were some awfully good Chargers players in attendance, there were a lot of scrubs that had a cup of coffee with the Bolts that were out there. Some guys I didn't even remember were on the team. Really? Those are the alumni we want to celebrate? Seems to me a lot of guys didn't come bc this ownership simply doesn't offer them anything.

                    It was a sad day all the way around. SD fans won't go to that stadium, in part, bc it's junk. People even show up for the sucking Padres bc the venue makes for a great experience. SD fans also won't show to watch the crappy Chargers product, especially with uninspired, uncreative game planning/coaching and an ownership that is invisible while being openly hostile to the people that have made it happen for them. So hooray for self-fulfilling prophesies. If it weren't for Chiefs fans that stadium would have looked very, very empty. They didn't take over like some of the other teams have this year but they sure were there once it got to 19-3.

                    This is the end of my rant. I don't really know what to think. A new stadium is a must, but the owners don't deserve much in the way of public financing bc of the slack way they present their organization and create a fan experience/connection with the team. The whole day just felt Mickey Mouse. Go Iger!
                    it's not so much being down on Rivers, as it is hating the owners and management for not building a TEAM around the guy but continuing to trot him out there to struggle under these circumstances and maintain the idiotic stance he "gives us our best chance to win" and "you always have a chance with a guy like Rivers out there" and similar platitudes as EXCUSES for not doing anything else needed like investing heavily in rebuilding the OL or hiring the best coaches money can buy. THEY are putting it all on him to work miracles no matter the lack of talent or protection and that's just not humanly possible for any 1 player. Its not hating on him to point out this reality and call them out for the fraud they are perpetrating on us fans. If they're gonna go with a single guy that has to anchor the offense under these circumstances, then look into the past at LT's early years and use Gordon accordingly.
                    Last edited by SDFan; 11-23-2015, 09:01 AM.
                    Life is too short to drink cheap beer :beer:

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                    • TTK
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by ArtistFormerlyKnownAsBKR View Post
                      And echoing BoltX's mantra (which I've supported), it's one thing to see these games on the tube but another to see them in person. You pick up on things that you just can't perceive on TV. One thing that is visually obvious (and even my wife said something) is that when you see us and an opponent line up on either side of the ball, our guys are just smaller. It's like HS kids playing Ohio St. They just look smaller, so it's no wonder they get pushed around all game long.
                      Great and sad post.

                      Regarding the size of the players, I can't stand listening to Sileo but I do wind up listening to a lot of his interview podcasts just for the guests and he is always bringing up this point to his guests. But isn't our offensive line made up of giant dudes? Maybe not Barksdale but Fluker, Dunlap and Franklin? I don't understand why they aren't mauling the hell out of people.

                      The defensive line is tiny and that's easy to see. Our LBs never have a chance to do anything because the d-line is always getting pushed back into them, I guess just like how our RBs are always dodging both the defense and their offensive linemen in the backfield.

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                      • Mister Hoarse
                        No Sir, I Dont Like It
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by SDfan View Post
                        let's do a GoFundme page and post giant billboards all over San Diego!
                        GFY.org
                        Dean Spanos Should Get Ass Cancer Of The Ass!
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