Chiefs @ Chargers Game Day Thread | Post Game Reaction (Week 11)

[jaguarmanftype]

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I agree, there is a small group of intimates that he prefers to use to bring in coaches, which greatly restricts the options.

However, Staley had enough quality players to not be among the worst on defense last year:

Bosa, James, Nwosu, White, Jones, a few decent corners.
Chris Harris Jr. was a disaster, and they for some reason greatly depended on him in their off season scheme;

Pags did more on less in 2013.

Joseph should have been a sturdy rotational guy....don't play him so much.
That was my comment before the season. You can't bring in a few competent DTs to complement him?

I put that on Telesco and Staley. Like last year with DTs, they are completely unmotivated this year to turn over every rock to bring one in.
Give up a day 3 draft pick that you routinely waste on draft day.

Yeah, it's unfortunate. I think other than gutting the defensive coaching staff, Staley will need to find 2 stout NTs in the draft that are athletic yet still 330+ lbs like a Jamal Williams to make his scheme work. That's aside from addressing the fundamentals, like tackling and coverage and assignment breakdowns.

[powderblueboy]

This team plays hard for Staley. The Chargers are close. Don’t forget Herbert did not have a TE last night and Mike Williams is still out. With MW and Everett playing the Chargers would have won. If the Chargers and Chiefs meet in the playoffs and MW, Everett and Bosa are back, and there’s not another rash of significant injuries, the Chargers will win.

I don't think they are.
Sure, with few injuries Staley and Lombo could have fully implemented their schemes.
That would be a nice world.

Lombo is close to having everyone, save Slater, back. Don't look for the offense to play a complete game anytime soon.

Staley's D had Bosa and then JC Jackson go down. Jackson was replaceable, thanks to the depth at corner and their lack of injuries.
Bosa, not so much.

Still, no excuse for the Defense to be one of the worst in the league.
They were one of the worst defenses before the series of injuries at DT.
If you have to be injury free to be middle of the pack, that tells you a lot about the guy putting together the D.

Chargers are not close.
Close like Lynn always losing close games his final year.
Other teams have an extra gear when it matters that this year's chargers lack.
Close losses are an allusion that this team is ready to compete.

Chargers can hold there own, with a few breaks, against the level of competition of the Broncos;
this is not a good football team.

If they were healthy, they would have snuck into the playoffs and get quickly bounced.
You can't win in the NFL without a first rate qb and coaching staff.

[cmplxgal]

[jaguarmanftype]

cmplxgal always posting useful stats and factually corroborated statements. When "fire everyone!!!" post from cmplxgal?

[powderblueboy]

Yeah, it's unfortunate. I think other than gutting the defensive coaching staff, Staley will need to find 2 stout NTs in the draft that are athletic yet still 330+ lbs like a Jamal Williams to make his scheme work. That's aside from addressing the fundamentals, like tackling and coverage and assignment breakdowns.

At John Carroll, his defensive stalwort was a DT.
On the rams it was Aaron Donald.

His schemes seem to not work without a superstar DT.

He still tries to implement them because he knows, and is comfortable with, no other type of defense.
He'll tweak it here or there and hope that life is breathed into it.

I don't think this is true in general with Vic Fangio lead defenses;
although having Akiem Hicks types really help out.

[jaguarmanftype]

At John Carroll, his defensive stalwort was a DT.
On the rams it was Aaron Donald.

His schemes seem to not work without a superstar DT.

He still tries to implement them because he knows, and is comfortable with, no other type of defense.
He'll tweak it here or there and hope that life is breathed into it.

I don't think this is true in general with Vic Fangio lead defenses;
although having Akiem Hicks types really help out.

I don't disagree. The scheme, conceptually and fundamentally, is still very good because it can give any type of team fits. But unfortunately, it does require at least to my eye two big-bodied stout NTs as DTs who can take on double teams and still able to bull rush for pressures while clogging up running lanes to really see the magic. Imagine having two Jamal Williams' in there, where you can put them on one side and have Bosa and Mack on the other. You can even drop Bosa into coverage at times to give the opposing offense even more fits.

[Boltx]

I don't disagree. The scheme, conceptually and fundamentally, is still very good because it can give any type of team fits. But unfortunately, it does require at least to my eye two big-bodied stout NTs as DTs who can take on double teams and still able to bull rush for pressures while clogging up running lanes to really see the magic. Imagine having two Jamal Williams' in there, where you can put them on one side and have Bosa and Mack on the other. You can even drop Bosa into coverage at times to give the opposing offense even more fits.

So he needs two unicorn DTs that single handedly tie up the entire opposing OL and then his defense can shine?

Got it.

[Eurobolt]

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Reminder - Lions reliefed Lynn of his OC duties not even half season and you wanted to give him another year - that is acting to the detriment of the company.

Same with Staley it is very hard for me to say (as I was 1st here who wanted & believed in him) but it looks like he was a product of very good defence with one generational player.
He is not a genius he is just pretender same way as his Chargers.
We should be 3-7 or worse only ST won us games.

This Coaching staff is not good for future.

But yet again you are here defending and asking to give him a chance...

[Riverwalk]

So he needs two unicorn DTs that single handedly tie up the entire opposing OL and then his defense can shine?

Got it.

Suh and Joseph.

[fanatic]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl...418259f9a85bda

You might be able to hold them down for a drive, or maybe a quarter if you’re lucky. However, they still have Patrick Mahomes and Travis Kelce, and you don’t.

For the most part on Sunday night, the Chargers defense played fairly well. Los Angeles is built to play a lot of man coverage against the Chiefs, with star DB Derwin James taking Travis Kelce. However, the Chiefs always adjust and beat your best coverage when it counts.

The Chargers played Cover One on 16 of Mahomes’ 34 dropbacks, and the Chiefs QB went 8-16 on those dropbacks. Normally that’s an absolute win, right? However, the Chargers lost playing that Coverage, because the Chiefs were prepared for it and had the perfect playcall.

The Chiefs were at Los Angeles’ 17 yard line, and Kansas City comes out in 11 personnel (one TE and one RB). The Chargers matched this with their dime package, with six DBs on the field. Because this is near the end of the game sequence, the Chargers went to their dime package, but the Chiefs have seen this Cover One before. On Kansas City’s first trip to the red zone, the Chargers were in Cover One with James guarding Kelce. Kansas City tries to run the follow route that’s gotten them a lot of success in the red zone this season, but Kelce slips due to the pressure from James and they have to kick.

. When James was guarding Travis Kelce, he was very physical with him at the line of scrimmage, pressing when he had the chance.

On the Chiefs final TD, they knew this, and they had an answer for everything the Chargers would try to do in their Cover One defense.

Kelce is on the line of scrimmage, and James is in press technique, but at the snap, the Chiefs run Mesh with Kelce and TE Noah Gray. This is the first read. The two TEs cross their paths, and try to give Kelce a little bit of daylight to break away from James. Because the Chargers are in man coverage with a safety dropping down as a robber, someone is bound to get open off the crosser. Kelce was open and he walked into the endzone.

However, watching the play again, the Chiefs had an answer for if the robber triggered hard on the mesh route. WR Skyy Moore ran a dig behind the robber, and if the robber runs down on the mesh, Moore is open.

Andy Reid is arguably the best playcaller in the game, and when he’s given weapons like Mahomes and Kelce, it makes playing any coverage against them dangerous.

[Riverwalk]

Chargers played well in the first half against SF and the first half against KC.

Two weeks in a row they collapse in the 2nd half both offensively and defensively.

When that becomes a pattern you build a culture of defeat.

[Critty]

Reminder - Lions reliefed Lynn of his OC duties not even half season and you wanted to give him another year - that is acting to the detriment of the company.

Same with Staley it is very hard for me to say (as I was 1st here who wanted & believed in him) but it looks like he was a product of very good defence with one generational player.
He is not a genius he is just pretender same way as his Chargers.
We should be 3-7 or worse only ST won us games.

This Coaching staff is not good for future.

But yet again you are here defending and asking to give him a chance...

Chargers are also 1 play away in two Cheifs games from being 7-5 and leading the division. They didnt close those games out. So it's 5-5 and in the middle of the wildcard hunt for them now.

I still think Lynn 49ers Assistant Head Coach knows more about football than Telesco and Johnny. Shanahan added him right he was released. I trust Shanahan over Campbell and the Spanos. Lynn also owns a career winning record, while they have losing records.

You are what you record says you are.