Since Joe Lombardi is out...Who Will Be the New OC?

[madcaplafs]

You have to pay to read that article. Shanahan's system is QB friendly, but that doesn't mean it's going to work for every team. The 49ers have the
perfect storm of players. They have an elite TE in Kiddle, we don't. They have a big strong WR that can run the football, we don't. The commit to
the running game, we don't. So there are a lot of reasons why we are not the 49ers and it has nothing to do with the system and everything to do with
the players.

The thing that SF has that we don't are a group of good offensive linemen, who have played together for a while. If you polled coaches around the league and asked them who was a good big strong receiver, most of them would say "Mike Williams".

[charger1_sj]

The thing that SF has that we don't are a group of good offensive linemen, who have played together for a while. If you polled coaches around the league and asked them who was a good big strong receiver, most of them would say "Mike Williams".

They have an elite TE, we don't. MW is actually a better WR than Deebo. But with the football in his hands Deebo is far more dangerous. 49ers also have a pro-ball FB, we don't. They run power way more than we do. As mentioned their blocking scheme is different and the type of personnel they have on the O line is different. They run stretch plays, we don't. But the system is the same. Predicated on stretching the D horizontally with short passing game, then comes the long passes when the D comes up to stop the short to the outside. Arguable but Herbert had his best year or nearly the same as in 2020, in 2021 under Lambo. The difference this year, injuries, not scheme related. We couldn't run the football in 2020, 2021 or 2022. In 2022 we couldn't/wouldn't pass the long ball. Who were our receivers when Allen/MW were out?

[La Costa Boy]

Athletic Daily ranked the open OC positions today. Here are the numeric rankings:

1. Chargers
2. Rams
3. Tampa Bay
4. Ravens
5. Washington
6. New England
7. Carolina
8. Titans
9. Arizona
10. Denver
11. Texans
12. NY Jets
13. Colts

Lots of reasons given pro and con and some were slanted due to having to hire a head coach first. Chargers were the number one choice due to Herbert. Let's hope we don't screw the pooch here.

[Xenos]

Shanahan and Payton both run a variation of the West Coast offense. Different coaching trees but same thing. Lambo runs Payton's system, which is very similar to Shanahan's.
The difference being Shanahan is more innovative and doesn't stick with "one system" like Lambo. But the biggest difference is on the O line. Shanahan prefers mobile O line guys.
The Chargers prefer big guys and they tend not to be as athletic or mobile. Payton also liked more mobile O line guys. Both Payton and Shanahan rely on the run. We don't.
But it has nothing to do with system. We just don't have the personnel to run Payton's or Shanahan's system and make it effective. And that's not on Herbert.

Under different non-injury years Lambo's offense would have been just as good as in 2020. But not being able to run the football is the same issue we had in 2020. Same ole
same ole. .

There’s a lot of misunderstanding about both systems in this post that I don’t have time to correct. But needless to say, I need you to stop saying that we don’t have the personnel to run the Shanahan scheme because that is absolutely not true.

[charger1_sj]

There’s a lot of misunderstanding about both systems in this post that I don’t have time to correct. But needless to say, I need you to stop saying that we don’t have the personnel to run the Shanahan scheme because that is absolutely not true.

Really? We have the same O line as SF? TE? A Deebo? A pro bowl FB? Herberts best year 2021 under Lambo. Can you explain what happened in 2022?
Did we change scheme or we had major injuries?

[Xenos]

Really? We have the same O line as SF? TE? A Deebo? A pro bowl FB? Herberts best year 2021 under Lambo. Can you explain what happened in 2022?
Did we change scheme or we had major injuries?

Yes, we have the right OL to run a Shanahan scheme. After QB, those are the most important pieces. I’m not sure why you mentioned the 9ers skill positions since those are nice enhancements but not necessarily the foundation to what you need to run the scheme. Otherwise no other team in the NFL, like the Rams or Packers, would have been be able run it without those same type of skill players. Think about what Mike Shanahan, the father of this system, had skill player wise in Washington when he was HC there.

[jamrock]

Athletic Daily ranked the open OC positions today. Here are the numeric rankings:

1. Chargers
2. Rams
3. Tampa Bay
4. Ravens
5. Washington
6. New England
7. Carolina
8. Titans
9. Arizona
10. Denver
11. Texans
12. NY Jets
13. Colts

Lots of reasons given pro and con and some were slanted due to having to hire a head coach first. Chargers were the number one choice due to Herbert. Let's hope we don't screw the pooch here.

Anybody have any confidence that they'll hire the right guy?

Just a recent reminder, Daboll is being widely touted as Coach of the Year

[charger1_sj]

Yes, we have the right OL to run a Shanahan scheme. After QB, those are the most important pieces. I’m not sure why you mentioned the 9ers skill positions since those are nice enhancements but not necessarily the foundation to what you need to run the scheme. Otherwise no other team in the NFL, like the Rams or Packers, would have been be able run it without those same type of skill players. Think about what Mike Shanahan, the father of this system, had skill player wise in Washington when he was HC there.

Our O line is nothing like the 49ers. They use stretch and mis direction plays, We don't. Their blocking schemes are different, their personnel is different. Scheme doesn't
matter if you don't have the personnel. You build the scheme to match the players, not the other way around. Shanahan has built up his system by bringing in players
that fit. He has had the luxury of some very good skill guys that also match his system. Running the Shanahan system is not going to solve our run issues. We were not
able to run the football effectively in 2020 under Lynn, who believed in the run game.

[Xenos]

Our O line is nothing like the 49ers. They use stretch and mis direction plays, We don't. Their blocking schemes are different, their personnel is different. Scheme doesn't
matter if you don't have the personnel. You build the scheme to match the players, not the other way around. Shanahan has built up his system by bringing in players
that fit. He has had the luxury of some very good skill guys that also match his system. Running the Shanahan system is not going to solve our run issues. We were not
able to run the football effectively in 2020 under Lynn, who believed in the run game.

We don’t do those things blocking wise because Sean Payton’s scheme is different than the Shanahan one, despite you believing that they’re similar for some reason. We also had problems running in 2020 because we didn’t have the OL like we do now. Having Slater, Linsley, Zion, and hopefully Pipkins back does wonders for a running game. It’s just too bad that Lombardi’s scheme and playcalling didn’t do a better job of helping them out. But I guess now that we’ve seen what happened with us and Detroit, it shouldn’t be a surprise that our rushing attack sucked.

[Boltx]

Is it possible, that even despite all the resources put into the OL, that they're just superior pass protectors instead? Is it all scheme?

[sonorajim]

Anybody have any confidence that they'll hire the right guy?

Just a recent reminder, Daboll is being widely touted as Coach of the Year

There's always those who doubt.
I believe we'll hire a good, potentially great OC. Staley & TT's jobs depend on it.
I doubt Daboll wants the Chargers OC job.

[Boltx]

Anybody have any confidence that they'll hire the right guy?

Just a recent reminder, Daboll is being widely touted as Coach of the Year

Prepare for retread Frank Reich.