Welcome WR Quentin Johnston , TCU (Round 1, #21)

[Eurobolt]

Has QJ got any trade value?

[richpjr]

It wasn't the skill players that killed our playoff run it was our offensive line. JK Dobbins and Ladd Mcconkey are not chopped liver and QJ when on fire is alright. Sure we could of had a couple more players but still we were good enough if we had a competent oline. The dynamics would have looked much more than we witnessed.

The IOL was awful, but the point was about the lack of talent at the skill position outside of Ladd. The IOL was one of the worst in the league as well.

[Riverwalk]

I wouldnt say that. But with a better OL , a TE and another WR he will be even better. Just OL and a TE he should be better.

Id argue that having to learn a new scheme every year has held him back from making a big jump. Thats not easy to do and those who dont keep that in mind dont understand it. Now he gets to be in the same scheme next season while he doesnt have to learn anything.

Nah, I’m not buying the new scheme excuse. Eagles are in the SB with last years excuse for Herbert’s problems.

And if a new scheme is an actual excuse then how come Jayden Daniels excelled with the Commanders. Shouldn’t that only happen after 2 or more seasons?

There’s only so many plays you can call. Herbert’s seen them all and been in the league for so long that shouldn’t be an excuse.

But like I said, I’m not criticizing him or Roman until they get some better weapons then QJ and Dissly….and bolster that “tip of the spear”

[Riverwalk]

Has QJ got any trade value?

IMO, Josh Palmer is a better receiver and is a free agent. You wouldn’t have to trade for him and probably pay only half as much.

[foreigner]

IMO, Josh Palmer is a better receiver and is a free agent. You wouldn’t have to trade for him and probably pay only half as much.

Josh Palmer is a good 3rd-4th receiver.... this year was his opportunity and that's what he showed.

[AKFlyFisher]

Nah, I’m not buying the new scheme excuse. Eagles are in the SB with last years excuse for Herbert’s problems.

And if a new scheme is an actual excuse then how come Jayden Daniels excelled with the Commanders. Shouldn’t that only happen after 2 or more seasons?

There’s only so many plays you can call. Herbert’s seen them all and been in the league for so long that shouldn’t be an excuse.

But like I said, I’m not criticizing him or Roman until they get some better weapons then QJ and Dissly….and bolster that “tip of the spear”

At some point, the honest answer is that Herbert lacks something mentally. I think that is where we are heading. He is a smart guy, no question, but big games are more mental than anything else. His shortcomings show up in the biggest moments where creativity and improvisation is needed most. He shows an inability to rise to those moments, and to me it is totally mental. I mean, he had Ekeler, Williams, Keenan Allen, etc. He has had weapons and we saw the same results. I think there is a bigger problem here. Saying that, the team needs more talent. In fact, you get so much talent that you reduce his role to Trent Dilfer like levels and win with defense and an abundance of talent on the team. Yes, I am that down on Herbert, that I think he is basically a game manager -- at most -- ala Dilfer or Flacco.

[Boltjolt]

Nah, I’m not buying the new scheme excuse. Eagles are in the SB with last years excuse for Herbert’s problems.

And if a new scheme is an actual excuse then how come Jayden Daniels excelled with the Commanders. Shouldn’t that only happen after 2 or more seasons?

There’s only so many plays you can call. Herbert’s seen them all and been in the league for so long that shouldn’t be an excuse.

But like I said, I’m not criticizing him or Roman until they get some better weapons then QJ and Dissly….and bolster that “tip of the spear”

Herbert can help himself by running when he has an opportunity but for some reason he doesn't always do it so that is on him.
Daniels runs maybe too much but it works. He is lucky he hasn't been injured.
He actually had less pass attempts than Herbert this year as he ran the ball 148 times. That's a lot for a QB. Herb only had 69.
Daniel's probably doesn't go thru many progressions before he takes off through which is totally for rookies and Herb doesn't have the time to go thru his lol.

[dmac_bolt]

Herbert needs to improve significantly though too. In other words, Herbert does not do a good enough job manipulating defenses and putting his receivers in strong positions. Then when they are in good places, he showed poor footwork and poor accuracy to take advantage of an opportunity. While I agree that the WR room needs an upgrade, the only "short-changing" of Herbert will be that done by his inability to improve as a passer and not work on his footwork and accuracy over this off-season as well as the mental side of the game. At this point, Herbert is proving people right that said at Oregon his best years were early in his career and he showed no steady improvement from that point. I too have not seen Herbert truly improve that much from his rookie season, and that suggests a mental/processing/robotic approach to the game. So, yes, get him weapons, but he has to take some serious steps forward to truly take advantage of the added talent.

Fuck those people

[northerner]

Herbert needs to improve significantly though too. In other words, Herbert does not do a good enough job manipulating defenses and putting his receivers in strong positions. Then when they are in good places, he showed poor footwork and poor accuracy to take advantage of an opportunity. While I agree that the WR room needs an upgrade, the only "short-changing" of Herbert will be that done by his inability to improve as a passer and not work on his footwork and accuracy over this off-season as well as the mental side of the game. At this point, Herbert is proving people right that said at Oregon his best years were early in his career and he showed no steady improvement from that point. I too have not seen Herbert truly improve that much from his rookie season, and that suggests a mental/processing/robotic approach to the game. So, yes, get him weapons, but he has to take some serious steps forward to truly take advantage of the added talent.

he throws some high balls, which came back to bite him in the playoff game (the throw to Ladd), but that is the main area of improvement i see. your description makes him sound like a middle of the road QB. He is outside the very top guys (mahomes, burrow, allen and possibly jackson), but not far back after them. in a game like the Texans game, where he is under constant pressure, it is not going to be a great game to summarize his play.

he also needs to be more opportunistic to run more, but I am not sure if some of the leg injuries keep him hesitant at times.

[floydefisher]

Nah, I’m not buying the new scheme excuse. Eagles are in the SB with last years excuse for Herbert’s problems.

And if a new scheme is an actual excuse then how come Jayden Daniels excelled with the Commanders. Shouldn’t that only happen after 2 or more seasons?

There’s only so many plays you can call. Herbert’s seen them all and been in the league for so long that shouldn’t be an excuse.

But like I said, I’m not criticizing him or Roman until they get some better weapons then QJ and Dissly….and bolster that “tip of the spear”

Isn't it amazing what happens when you meld a prime QB like Jaylen Hurtz with players like Saquon Barkley, AJ Brown and DeVonta Smith?

Imagine what would happen if Justin Herbert got those kinds of weapons.

[AKFlyFisher]

Isn't it amazing what happens when you meld a prime QB like Jaylen Hurtz with players like Saquon Barkley, AJ Brown and DeVonta Smith?

Imagine what would happen if Justin Herbert got those kinds of weapons.

He would crash out in the Wild Card round -- or not even get to the playoffs. Herbert is not Hurts. Herbert does not use his legs well. Stated simply, Herbert has not shown he is not a winner and does not make winning plays when it matters. Hurts does and has. I am going to laugh when Herbert has all of this talent around him, and the team still cannot get over the hump. Maybe then, folks will actually mention Herbert's flaws.

[Boltjolt]

Isn't it amazing what happens when you meld a prime QB like Jaylen Hurtz with players like Saquon Barkley, AJ Brown and DeVonta Smith?

Imagine what would happen if Justin Herbert got those kinds of weapons.

The Eagles also arguably have the best OL.