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  • dmac_bolt
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    • May 2019
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    Originally posted by Boltjolt View Post

    Maybe they trade him for a 6th or 7th? Staley may still like him if he gets the DC gig lol
    Staley didn’t seem to like him when he was here
    “Less is more? NO NO NO - MORE is MORE!”

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    • Xenos
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      Originally posted by wu-dai clan View Post

      LOL.
      JT puts that umbrella over offenses with his range.
      Still trying to wrap my brain around Staley to SF.
      It would be a bad fit for both the Niners and Staley. So I doubt it happens after what happened with Wilks. Kyle would be wise to hire internally this time.

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      • wu-dai clan
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        Originally posted by Xenos View Post

        It would be a bad fit for both the Niners and Staley. So I doubt it happens after what happened with Wilks. Kyle would be wise to hire internally this time.
        Agreed.
        And JT is a big mystery.
        What is his medical issue ,?
        We do not play modern football.

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        • sonorajim
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          Originally posted by Xenos View Post

          It would be a bad fit for both the Niners and Staley. So I doubt it happens after what happened with Wilks. Kyle would be wise to hire internally this time.
          Staley is not a HC or DC. He was given a lot of leeway in assistants and players. Special teams was the primary unit that improved on his watch and that was basically Ficken.
          Mack had a great year. That was all Mack. Run D got better. Not good but better. Pass D was garbage. Consistently. '21 to '23. Scoring D went from weak to bad.Chargers offense went downhill.
          Staley needs to work his way back as a position coach. Focus on that job and do it well to earn another shot at DC. Put some good years on the record. He was crap as a 1 year
          wunder boy DC to HC.

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          • Xenos
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            Originally posted by sonorajim View Post

            Staley is not a HC or DC. He was given a lot of leeway in assistants and players. Special teams was the primary unit that improved on his watch and that was basically Ficken.
            Mack had a great year. That was all Mack. Run D got better. Not good but better. Pass D was garbage. Consistently. '21 to '23. Scoring D went from weak to bad.Chargers offense went downhill.
            Staley needs to work his way back as a position coach. Focus on that job and do it well to earn another shot at DC. Put some good years on the record. He was crap as a 1 year
            wunder boy DC to HC.
            I think he would be a better DC than HC. Some people are just wired that way. Dan Quinn is another good example. Look at his defensive stats as DC vs HC. Night and day difference.

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            • gzubeck
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              Originally posted by Xenos View Post

              I think he would be a better DC than HC. Some people are just wired that way. Dan Quinn is another good example. Look at his defensive stats as DC vs HC. Night and day difference.
              Now we get to find out with commanders...They been in the dog house for years and they will feel good with a winning record.
              Chiefs won the Superbowl with 10 Rookies....

              "Locked, Cocked, and ready to Rock!" Jim Harbaugh

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              • Xenos
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                Originally posted by gzubeck View Post

                Now we get to find out with commanders...They been in the dog house for years and they will feel good with a winning record.
                If Quinn tries to call plays as HC, then the Commanders’ defensive stat probably won’t look great. If he lets Whitt do it, then maybe everything will be fine.

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                • jubei
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                  Originally posted by sonorajim View Post

                  Staley is not a HC or DC. He was given a lot of leeway in assistants and players. Special teams was the primary unit that improved on his watch and that was basically Ficken.
                  Mack had a great year. That was all Mack. Run D got better. Not good but better. Pass D was garbage. Consistently. '21 to '23. Scoring D went from weak to bad.Chargers offense went downhill.
                  Staley needs to work his way back as a position coach. Focus on that job and do it well to earn another shot at DC. Put some good years on the record. He was crap as a 1 year
                  wunder boy DC to HC.
                  cant believe he got a HC gig after ONE FREAKIN year as a DC with Aaron Donald and Ramsey. He hasnt even been in the NFL that long.

                  as for BH I really hope he comes in and gets these guys into shape they never thought of and prevents injuries. Maybe they train doing different things instead of primarily weight lifting.

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                  • Xenos
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                    Originally posted by jubei View Post

                    cant believe he got a HC gig after ONE FREAKIN year as a DC with Aaron Donald and Ramsey. He hasnt even been in the NFL that long.

                    as for BH I really hope he comes in and gets these guys into shape they never thought of and prevents injuries. Maybe they train doing different things instead of primarily weight lifting.
                    Staley probably got it because he turned the Rams defense around completely in 2020 after the regression they had under Wade Phillips in 2019. Also the McVay tree is pretty popular. Staley probably needed at least another year of seasoning as DC like Macdonald did under the Ravens, or even McVay did under the Commanders.

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                    • sonorajim
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                      Originally posted by jubei View Post

                      cant believe he got a HC gig after ONE FREAKIN year as a DC with Aaron Donald and Ramsey. He hasnt even been in the NFL that long.

                      as for BH I really hope he comes in and gets these guys into shape they never thought of and prevents injuries. Maybe they train doing different things instead of primarily weight lifting.
                      There are a LOT of ways to do resistance and endurance training. I have family that are pro trainers who can discuss systems until your head spins.
                      The Turkish Get Up was an interesting variation Herbert used to challenge Mich players.
                      Harbaugh, among others liked what he brought to the Mich program. a lot.
                      It's fair to assume there will be group exercise, position specific exercise and individual programs.

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                      • Geezbolt
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                        Herbert is big on protocols that minimize injuries and minimize the severity of injuries if they do occur. That alone would make a huge difference.

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                        • ChargersPowderBlue
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                          Originally posted by sonorajim View Post

                          Staley is not a HC or DC. He was given a lot of leeway in assistants and players. Special teams was the primary unit that improved on his watch and that was basically Ficken.
                          Mack had a great year. That was all Mack. Run D got better. Not good but better. Pass D was garbage. Consistently. '21 to '23. Scoring D went from weak to bad.Chargers offense went downhill.
                          Staley needs to work his way back as a position coach. Focus on that job and do it well to earn another shot at DC. Put some good years on the record. He was crap as a 1 year
                          wunder boy DC to HC.
                          Who was the GM? Tom Telesco. Staley had a power trip. A better GM would have told Staley that what he's doing isn't working. Telesco just lets the HC do whatever they want. And how he operates is why teams under him have failed and never produced a division title. And lets not forget Lynn. Who was horrible.

                          Originally posted by Xenos View Post

                          Staley probably got it because he turned the Rams defense around completely in 2020 after the regression they had under Wade Phillips in 2019. Also the McVay tree is pretty popular. Staley probably needed at least another year of seasoning as DC like Macdonald did under the Ravens, or even McVay did under the Commanders.
                          People talk about Staley's credentials/qualification. Lynn was just as bad, if not, even worse. He only had one or two weeks of experience as an interim HC with Buffalo before being hired by the Chargers. He should have been fired during the season like Staley did/was. The organization had flaws and has been a mess until Dean and John came to their senses.

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