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[Ghost of Quacksaw]

You pretend that an unofficial time is an accurate time ..... it isn't, and if you noticed, 'unofficial' times are always faster.

If the unofficial times are slower, those times don't get posted!

Like you never hear, "Jones ran a 4.45 at the Combine, and a 4.62 at his private workout."

[powderblueboy]

Tyrell Williams' official 40 time at his 2015 pro day was 4.43. Fehoko's was 4.44. Fehoko is a bit taller and larger than Tyrell. I wasn't a fan of Fehoko at the beginning of camp. But he was so good in the preseason, you have to roster him. His combo of size and speed is rare.

We'll see .... I hope he does well where ever he goes.

There is a reason why he has been on 3 different teams in 3 years:
he is not nearly as explosive as T. Williams, based on long jump/high jump/10 yards dash measurements, and it shows up in game action.
Is he a really good route runner? I didn't really notice that in preseason, generally he just ran to a spot .... which is nice,
but I want to see more.

He also has very short arms (31 1/2 inches) which negates his height.

Again, I hope he does well ... its just I don't have much in the way of expectations.

[21&500]

When determining which wr to keep over the other, have Herbert be the tie-breaker.
ask our franchise qb who he has better chemistry with. If it's significant, go with that guy.

[powderblueboy]

If the unofficial times are slower, those times don't get posted!

Like you never hear, "Jones ran a 4.45 at the Combine, and a 4.62 at his private workout."

No,

I meant for the same event: the combine time of 4.36 s for one run, but an unofficial time of 4.44 s for the same run .... never hear it:
not for one run in April and another in May.

The principle point is that unofficial times are unofficial for a reason ... they are not considered accurate.

I'm guessing at pro days they record several times, and the outlier is the unofficial time;
and at the combine they do it electronically, with the unofficial time being hand held

[Boltjolt]

Tyrell Williams' official 40 time at his 2015 pro day was 4.43. Fehoko's was 4.44. Fehoko is a bit taller and larger than Tyrell. I wasn't a fan of Fehoko at the beginning of camp. But he was so good in the preseason, you have to roster him. His combo of size and speed is rare.

Tyrell had a 1.51 10 yard split, Simi had a 1.59 and Tyrell had a 6.74 three cone which I read was the fastest of that WR class.
We really couldnt keep Tyrell as i recall....but I was hoping to.
His first NFL catch...or TD I believe was that 80 yard torch job from Rivers.

[Boltjolt]

No,

I meant for the same event: the combine time of 4.36 s for one run, but an unofficial time of 4.44 s for the same run .... never hear it:
not for one run in April and another in May.

The principle point is that unofficial times are unofficial for a reason ... they are not considered accurate.

I'm guessing at pro days they record several times, and the outlier is the unofficial time;
and at the combine they do it electronically, with the unofficial time being hand held

Prodays are better these days. They used to be hand timed and some schools I have read would move the finish line a bit closer than 40 yards to help their players.

Back then a LB would run like a 4.8 at the combine and then run a 4.6-4.65 at their proday.

The simucams they use at the combine are cool so you can see the difference between a 4.3 and 4.4.,...etc.

However, I'll still say a 40 time isn't everything that makes a player.

[dmac_bolt]

Prodays are better these days. They used to be hand timed and some schools I have read would move the finish line a bit closer than 40 yards to help their players.

Back then a LB would run like a 4.8 at the combine and then run a 4.6-4.65 at their proday.

The simucams they use at the combine are cool so you can see the difference between a 4.3 and 4.4.,...etc.

However, I'll still say a 40 time isn't everything that makes a player.

I have always assumed hand timing was the 0.2 to 0.6 difference we always see reported between pro day and combine - and others are right its always pro day faster than combine. Combine is an all-electronic/optical automated system that will always have faster reaction than a human hand. that makes perfect sense.

I never heard of schools actually cheating up the line lol - thats so fucked up crooked and yet completely believable.

[powderblueboy]

I have always assumed hand timing was the 0.2 to 0.6 difference we always see reported between pro day and combine - and others are right its always pro day faster than combine. Combine is an all-electronic/optical automated system that will always have faster reaction than a human hand. that makes perfect sense.

I never heard of schools actually cheating up the line lol - thats so fucked up crooked and yet completely believable.

If I remember correctly, Billy Ray Smith posted a fast 40 at his pro day at Arkansas which was rigged, and that contributed to the Chargers drafting him over the bevy of Hall of Famers sitting there at that draft slot.

B.R. turned out decent, but what if?

Bruce Mathews, Dan Marino, Darrel Green anyone? Gil Byrd was a good get.

San Francisco picked up Roger Craig with the Chargers 2nd round pick.

[Ghost of Quacksaw]

I never heard of schools actually cheating up the line lol - thats so fucked up crooked and yet completely believable.

Rick Harrison, of Pawn Stars, once had an intern ask him if he dealt with dishonest people very often. Rick's answer was, "All day, every day."

Colleges want to hype their guys, because the pub helps them keep the recruiting pipeline going. It doesn't surprise me a bit that college staff have pretty routinely collaborated with players to create the optics of better looking test measurements.

[Ghost of Quacksaw]

If I remember correctly, Billy Ray Smith posted a fast 40 at his pro day at Arkansas which was rigged, and that contributed to the Chargers drafting him over the bevy of Hall of Famers sitting there at that draft slot.

B.R. turned out decent, but what if?

Bruce Mathews, Dan Marino, Darrel Green anyone? Gil Byrd was a good get.

San Francisco picked up Roger Craig with the Chargers 2nd round pick.

Bruce Mathews was the guy they should have taken. The Bolts could have had either Dan Marino or Darrell Green with ANY of the three 1st round picks they had that year. Billy Ray was 5th overall, Gary Anderson was 20th overall, and Gill Byrd was 22nd overall. As I recall, Marino was 29th, and Green was 30th.

[CanadianBoltFan]

I agree 100 percent on this.

Fehoko's official 40 time was 4.44. He "unofficially" ran a 4.37 40 at his Stanford Pro Day. (See the link.) Whatever. He is fast. Plus he's 6-4 220 lbs. That combination of size/speed is rare.

https://www.nfl.com/videos/simi-feho...anford-pro-day

Fehoko has eanred a spot but the staff really like Rice and had him rated higher in the draft. Rice hasnt looked good with the ineptness of Stick but who other than Fehoko has? Rice has looked good in practise with Herbert and first team offence which the coaches will note and he is a longer term view.

For these reasons I would keep 7 WRs on the initial 53 and keep 3 RBs. Patterson is a bit of a journeyman who I think clears to the PS no problem. There will be better RBs cut around the league. I dont think you can assure Rice clears to the PS.

[Heatmiser]

So much anxiety over WR6. Wouldn't it be ironic if Hortiz picks up a WR from some other team's cut list and forgoes both Rice and Fehoko?

Could happen and both of our guys should be pretty safe on the PS.

TG