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[Boltjolt]

Also Wikens, for 11.8k. Strange that Jones got the smallest fine, because he started this.

That's what I was thinking.

[Fouts2herbert]

Also Wikens, for $11.2k. Strange that Jones got the smallest fine, because he started this.

Was about to say, Wilkins deserved to be fined for multiple things in that game, he was slapping at Herberts hands after whistle blown for pre-snap penalties, he speared Slater on a dead play, several times I saw him trying to intimidate Alt and running into him and pushing him from behind well after the whistle, he acted like a major asshole in that game! I used to like him when he played for the Dolphins but he's lost himself in that black hole, his true character is coming to the forefront...

My memory is not what it used to be but I don't remember Howie Long ever doing this type of shit, one of the few Raiders I've held admiration for over the years...

[Topcat]

So what is going on with Jamaree Salyer taking snaps at Center? if anyone has more information on this I would love to know A) is it true? and B) what do you guys think of his potential at that position if in fact the rumors are true that he's been getting reps in practice at Center...

I'm guessing Salyer practicing at C means the Bolts want a better backup than Jaimes in case Boze gets injured...cross training...

[sonorajim]

I'm guessing Salyer practicing at C means the Bolts want a better backup than Jaimes in case Boze gets injured...cross training...

Multiplicity.
Just seeing how many positions a depth player can man. Better is always desirable but simply able is enough sometimes. The skill guys run, catch and block in varying degrees but all are expected to do all three.

I don't know if they're doing that with OL now but it wouldn't surprise me if they are experimenting with the depth players.

[Maniaque 6]

Zion deserve a try.

[Fouts2herbert]

Just looked at Poppers Twitter from up to 3 days ago and he didn't say anything about it.

Twitter is better for info than podcasts with many guys on Twitter tied to the league. It's easier for them to post it than set up and talk about it for quick info like the one below this post.
Have you ever seen Poppers YouTube called Hops with Pops? I've seen a handful.

I assume he is still doing it but now sure.
Since you like listening to these he takes questions with fans as well as discussions.
It's like a talking Mail bag.

this is why I wanted a thread about podcasts, there are still a bunch that I don't know about, the more the merrier and it helps to bridge the gap during the week between games so I can still fill some of my time with Charger talk...I'm going to add "Hops with Pops" to my bookmarks, thanks for the heads up...

[Boltjolt]

this is why I wanted a thread about podcasts, there are still a bunch that I don't know about, the more the merrier and it helps to bridge the gap during the week between games so I can still fill some of my time with Charger talk...I'm going to add "Hops with Pops" to my bookmarks, thanks for the heads up...

Looks like Popper hasn't made one in a long while so not sure if he is going to keep doing it. He should, he has plenty subscribers to make some money. But maybe he hasn't the time. He is married now.
II'll ask him on X/Twitter

[Bolts&noles]

Off topic but let's say the chargers release Stick on the bye week to maybe make room for help on offense.
How much cap space would it free up.

[Fouts2herbert]

Off topic but let's say the chargers release Stick on the bye week to maybe make room for help on offense.
How much cap space would it free up.

none, as a vested veteran his 2.6 mil salary became fully guaranteed when he was on the 53 man roster going into week one...I don't blame Hortiz and Harbaugh for his signing and neither should anyone here, he literally signed when Hortiz and Harbaugh were busy figuring out the cap issues with Mike Williams, Keenan Allen, Kahlil Mack, and Joey Bosa...I never understood the Stick signing from a business or personnel POV, it didn't make sense to rush to sign him when they were so limited in cap space and then to fully guarantee 1.4 mil out of the 2.6 mil deal when so many more experienced potential B/U guys were on the street it literally made no sense...I don't think it was Hortiz's call...nobody was lining up to sign Stick so his deal was not driven by the market place...

If they had parted ways with Stick before the final 53 man roster or even the week before the season started after they had secured Heinicke, then they could've saved about 1.21 mil on the cap at that time...now they save nothing by releasing him because his remaining salary just gets added to the dead cap pool, the only thing they gain by releasing him now is the roster spot...so in my opinion it's still worth releasing him now and putting him on the PS, #1 nobody will pick him up off waivers, #2 Justin still gets his buddy in the film room, #3 Stick won't lose a dime in salary, #4 the team can gain a spot on the 53 man, and #5 the team would still have an emergency number three QB...

will it happen tho? IDK, something tells me Stick is safe on the roster in 2024, he has a powerful advocate in the front office that recruited him personally so I don't think he's going to be cut...

[Fouts2herbert]

^^^I know some people don't like to hear about how someone in the FO interfered with the Stick signing...but when you study the FA acquisitions that Hortiz made, he either paid market value or below market value...

Ford got the bare minimum for his number of accrued years

Dobbins got the bare minimum for his number of accrued years

Jefferson got the bare minimum for his number of accrued years and is making even less than that on the PS, he's earning about 40% of what he should be...

Chark, Edwards, Dupree, and Fulton got market value or about 30-40% more than minimum for their respective number of accrued seasons, all of them signed bargain deals...

Hurst and Bozeman got absolute minimum but as players that still had guaranteed money coming from Carolina, those guys knew that anything that they negotiated with a new team would just offset from what the Panthers still owed them, so both guys signed for the base minimum with the Chargers, as former Raven guys and known Hortiz guys they helped Hortiz fill holes on the roster for minimum salary...aside from the minimum salary the only thing that those two received in return was probably starting or playing time guarantees in a contract year thus setting themselves up for a potential new payday in 2025...

so when I look at all those deals and even when you look at the trades that Hortiz made, he got players on very good pay numbers for this 2024, Molden costs around 3mil and Heinicke costs like 1.25mil on the final years of their contracts...did I forget anyone? Haskins was a waiver claim and he's cheap too, he gets year 3 of his original 4rth round deal, I think. a bit over a mil...

my point is that the only deal that kind of stands out and doesn't make sense to me is Easton Stick, Easton's accrued season veteran minimum deal should've been 1.25mil, someone gave him a signing bonus for 1.43 mil that literally exceeded the minimum salary that he was scheduled to get based his vested veteran minimum status, the signing bonus alone is more than 100% of what he should be making this season, the guy had no market...does anyone here actually believe that Stick was going to get more than minimum somewhere else? Even assuming he would've even been picked up elsewhere which is debatable...

so the big issue I have with the Stick signing is not that he's on the roster because he has a powerful advocate in the FO, or that he made the 53 man roster even after we traded for a more qualified veteran to fill his role and spots were tight at other positions on the 53 man, and let's not pretend like Stick looked like he had mastered Roman's offense in the preseason, his value as the "carry-over guy who knows the offense bullshit" is just that, bullshit...NO, my issue with the Stick signing is that in a year where cap space was so limited and Hortiz has had to bend over backwards to find guys that would both be viable players for the Chargers AND play for minimum type deals, it just makes no sense to waste 1.43 million in salary cap space on a player that nobody wanted...you can't tell me that the team couldn't use that extra money right now when the cap continues to dwindle as injuries mount and replacements will need to be added or traded for as the season wears on...we are down to like 8.4 mil of usable cap space for the 2024 season...just to put that into perspective, even TT who never made any trades used about 7 mil on average yearly just on player moves to restock the roster when injuries hit because every time someone goes on IR their salary stays on the books and the new guys salary takes more money from the cap...

[dmac_bolt]

I get my info from you guys, reading the NFL News on all the main websites, and from listening to Charger podcasters, sometimes some of these podcaster guys have gotten nuggets of information that have turned out to be true...

No way - our earnest entrepid cub reporter - You’re bringing fresh tasty treats to our party - you’re not getting some of these from here. Heard Salyer working at OC? I haven’t seen that anywhere. Great intel work, I’m goad you’re finding gems … their practice info seems tighter than ticks for me to find anything

[Boltjolt]

none, as a vested veteran his 2.6 mil salary became fully guaranteed when he was on the 53 man roster going into week one...I don't blame Hortiz and Harbaugh for his signing and neither should anyone here, he literally signed when Hortiz and Harbaugh were busy figuring out the cap issues with Mike Williams, Keenan Allen, Kahlil Mack, and Joey Bosa...I never understood the Stick signing from a business or personnel POV, it didn't make sense to rush to sign him when they were so limited in cap space and then to fully guarantee 1.4 mil out of the 2.6 mil deal when so many more experienced potential B/U guys were on the street it literally made no sense...I don't think it was Hortiz's call...nobody was lining up to sign Stick so his deal was not driven by the market place...

If they had parted ways with Stick before the final 53 man roster or even the week before the season started after they had secured Heinicke, then they could've saved about 1.21 mil on the cap at that time...now they save nothing by releasing him because his remaining salary just gets added to the dead cap pool, the only thing they gain by releasing him now is the roster spot...so in my opinion it's still worth releasing him now and putting him on the PS, #1 nobody will pick him up off waivers, #2 Justin still gets his buddy in the film room, #3 Stick won't lose a dime in salary, #4 the team can gain a spot on the 53 man, and #5 the team would still have an emergency number three QB...

will it happen tho? IDK, something tells me Stick is safe on the roster in 2024, he has a powerful advocate in the front office that recruited him personally so I don't think he's going to be cut...

According to the salary cap sites it isnt fully guaranteed.
His fully guaranteed is

• Fully Guaranteed Money: $1,414,700

We can trade him and save 1.12 mil according to their charts.

We can cut him and save nothing and endure a 1.4 mil dead cap but if we trade him the dead cap is only 167k.

However it says nothing about making the 53 so im not 100%sure. Im just going by their cut and trade charts.