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  • Jack Burton
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    Originally posted by Chargers8491 View Post
    Dre Greenlaw is another LBer to keep an eye on. He maybe a LBer the Chargers could add during free agency. He would likely cost less than Bolton.
    Coming off an Achilles and he’s still going to be expensive. I’d just bring back perryman and expect this coaching staff to make Colson the LB he’s supposed to be. Also. Having Molden back with Gilman next to him makes Minters job easier cause James can come down and play in the box, and that alleviates so much pressure for Colson too.

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    • Formula 21
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      Originally posted by Chargers8491 View Post

      Daniel Jeremiah probably has the best inside track to the Chargers and even he is spit balling. No in the origination is going to tell anyone what they are going to do and even if they tell Jeremiah I doubt he is going to let that cat out of the bag because he would lose his contact.
      And we know how much Harbaugh loves Popper. 😀
      Now, if you excuse me, I have some Charger memories to suppress.
      Let’s win one for Mack.

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      • Formula 21
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        Originally posted by Fouts2herbert View Post

        I would argue that some of his higher picks didn't pan out either...

        2013 #11 overall pick Fluker OT

        2014 #25 overall pick Verrett DB

        2015 #15 overall pick Gordon RB

        2016 #3 overall pick Bosa Edge

        2017 #7 overall pick Williams WR

        2018 #18 overall pick James S

        2019 #28 overall pick Tillery DT

        2020 #6 overall pick Herbert QB and #23 overall pick Murray LB

        2021 #13 overall pick Slater OT

        2022 #17 overall pick Johnson G

        2023 #21 overall pick Johnston WR

        2024 #13 overall pick Bowers TE he picked this one for the Raiders...

        Looking back at Telesco's 1st round picks, there are so many misses for a guy that gets credit for hitting in round 1, Bosa never lived up to the draft slot...Williams also never came close to top 7 type impact, even when he took Herbert he also took Murray which just makes the Herbert pick feel like bullshit luck...Slater was great and Bowers was a no brainer...I'm looking at the James, Herbert, Slater, and Bowers picks as his saving grace, otherwise the rest is kind of underwhelming...4 sure fire hits and 2-3 so so picks and 6-7 not so good looking picks...
        That’s why TT is now an artist, as Romey used to say.
        Now, if you excuse me, I have some Charger memories to suppress.
        Let’s win one for Mack.

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        • Fouts2herbert
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          Originally posted by gzubeck View Post

          If Not, and given the fact that he's been richly rewarded over the past 5 years I think he might. If not, I'm not worried about it and we save a bundle by letting him walk.
          The whole "I want to play with my baby bro" thing has been going on for at least a couple of years now...even his pay cut last offseason wasn't really a pay cut, he postponed bonus money that the Chargers were never going to give him regardless and he postponed it to this offseason so that this year it would be untenable for them to keep him at that cost, he basically made the change to his deal so that he could be free a year early and knowing that the 49ers were not in a position to sign him last year and that no one was going to pay him what the Chargers did in 2024...he might play for peanuts for SF just so he can be on the team with his brother, but I don't think he'll do that for the Chargers and I have a feeling 2025 will be his last season in the NFL anyways, his body is a mess and he already has all sorts of issues with mental health, putting his body thru something like an NFL season is not making that any better...maybe playing on the same team as his brother will alleviate some of his mental anguish...
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          • Scharnhorst43
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            Originally posted by Fouts2herbert View Post

            The whole "I want to play with my baby bro" thing has been going on for at least a couple of years now...even his pay cut last offseason wasn't really a pay cut, he postponed bonus money that the Chargers were never going to give him regardless and he postponed it to this offseason so that this year it would be untenable for them to keep him at that cost, he basically made the change to his deal so that he could be free a year early and knowing that the 49ers were not in a position to sign him last year and that no one was going to pay him what the Chargers did in 2024...he might play for peanuts for SF just so he can be on the team with his brother, but I don't think he'll do that for the Chargers and I have a feeling 2025 will be his last season in the NFL anyways, his body is a mess and he already has all sorts of issues with mental health, putting his body thru something like an NFL season is not making that any better...maybe playing on the same team as his brother will alleviate some of his mental anguish...
            I fail to see how anybody still views him as an asset. We have 17 opportunities to be invited to the dance. He wont be there for 17. Wont be there for 11. He might give you 6. and then he gives you a sack. Whoopee. the same game he is good for at least 2 offside penalties, giving those sack yards right back to the opponent. Sorry but when your at battle stations its all hands on deck, for the duration. yes injuries happen to all, but with him you can take it to the bank. Lets move on with new weaponry.

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            • Fouts2herbert
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              Originally posted by Chargers8491 View Post
              I think with Bosa it is time to cut ties. I think his body is shot. Unfortunately, it's time to move on.
              It's been past time to cut ties with Bosa, I was calling for it when we could've gotten something in exchange for him the offseason after the Jacksonville disaster...at that point with all his guaranteed money being paid he had no leverage on where the Chargers could've traded him and even if he had threatened retirement the Chargers would've been within their rights to recoup bonus money he had already deposited in the bank...

              as for cleaning house and just saying fuck it, let's get the IOL fixed in regular free agency and maybe bring in a couple of guys in unqualified free agency for Herbert like maybe Devontae Adams and Mark Andrews...then rebuild the defense in the draft by going Edge and IDL with the first two picks, then picking up additional DL and Edge help on day three, this is the perfect year to reload the defense like that, unfortunately there is another side to this that bears mentioning...a political side...how do veteran free agents that you are trying to convince to come to LA react to the Chargers letting Mack and Bosa both go? Are you going to get those top notch post draft free agent guys to come to LA if they feel you're in rebuild mode?

              Anyone that has an interest in taking less money to play with the Chargers because they are a contender now might think twice at making that decision now, IDK...there's a lot more to this than just a clean slate...plus both Bosa and Mack had a real good game in Houston...IDK, it's tough...

              my best case scenario to continue to sell veterans to come to LA on bargain deals is to keep at least one of those two big names and potentially both, it buys you time to continue rebuilding thru the draft too...or the Chargers could go full blown LA Rams and just clean house because they feel so damn confident about their ability to find talent in the draft in any round and because they have a fantastic coaching staff...
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              • Chargers8491
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                Originally posted by Jack Burton View Post

                Coming off an Achilles and he’s still going to be expensive. I’d just bring back perryman and expect this coaching staff to make Colson the LB he’s supposed to be. Also. Having Molden back with Gilman next to him makes Minters job easier cause James can come down and play in the box, and that alleviates so much pressure for Colson too.
                He torn the Achilles during the SB and ended up missing the 1st 2 games this year. I took a look at Spotrac and his market value is a 1yr/6mil contract. I don't know if I agree with that. Maybe because of the injury teams won't commit a lot (prove it deal). I don't know.
                Time to put my money where my mouth is: Hampton will be better than Jeanty!

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                • Boltjolt
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                  Originally posted by Chargers8491 View Post

                  He torn the Achilles during the SB and ended up missing the 1st 2 games this year. I took a look at Spotrac and his market value is a 1yr/6mil contract. I don't know if I agree with that. Maybe because of the injury teams won't commit a lot (prove it deal). I don't know.
                  No, he only played in 2 games this year....2 games in mid December.

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                  • Chargers8491
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                    Originally posted by Boltjolt View Post

                    No, he only played in 2 games this year....2 games in mid December.
                    Ah ok I miss-read the info. Thanks! That makes more sense a 1-year deal.
                    Time to put my money where my mouth is: Hampton will be better than Jeanty!

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                    • Formula 21
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                      One nice thing about the salary cap increase is that we can now pay our players who over performed their contracts last year. That includes Mack and the DL. Pay our players first.
                      Now, if you excuse me, I have some Charger memories to suppress.
                      Let’s win one for Mack.

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                      • el_jefe999
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                        That money should be enough to resign Poona, Tarte, Molden and Fulton. They all were key contributors on prove-it deals and I'd love it if they were all back. Mack is a wildcard as he may think he can find a better place to win a ring elsewhere. One thing is for sure if both Mack and Bosa are gone we need to sign an edge and draft an edge.,

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                        • Bolt4Knob
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                          Originally posted by Formula 21 View Post
                          One nice thing about the salary cap increase is that we can now pay our players who over performed their contracts last year. That includes Mack and the DL. Pay our players first.
                          Poona Ford for sure. I think he outplayed his contract and should continue to be a stellar defender

                          But how did Mack out play his contract last year to get a raise this year? His 2024 was worse than 2023 and he got paid $19m last year. The second half of the season was much worse than the first half. I know he had two sacks against Houston. But tackles and sacks, one of his worst seasons, excluding 2021, when he was injured.

                          For me, Mack on a one year deal making around $18m make sense - anything more that would be a multiple year commitment or a huge cap hit to release him (>$5-6m) just makes no sense. Still makes more sense to sign a younger DLineman who will get better over the next three years. People bring up Allen, Mack, Williams (Popper did, made no sense)-those are lateral moves at best. Time to move this team forward.

                          And lastly - its not about paying "our players first." Its about fielding the best roster possible - and sure, that should include Molden and Ford on defense but still, Hortiz needs to improve the roster.
                          Last edited by Bolt4Knob; 02-20-2025, 03:26 PM.

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