Bengals at Chargers Game Day Thread (Week 11) | Post Game Discussion

[Ghost of Quacksaw]

Still don't agree with it. 5 things can happen during a FG attempt and 4 are bad. Bad snap, bad hold, bad kick, blocked FG. I'm glad it worked out. Call me old school or whatever, but I just don't believe football should be decided by the foot. If you leave a game up to a kicker then you get what you get, because there was a hundred other different plays that you could have made that wouldn't have left it up to that.

The Chargers have lived and died by The Foot. SO many games the Bolts have lost on late FGs. If you can die by the foot? it's okay to live by the foot, too.

[Maniaque 6]

That's called FOOTball.

[Topcat]

Still don't agree with it. 5 things can happen during a FG attempt and 4 are bad. Bad snap, bad hold, bad kick, blocked FG. I'm glad it worked out. Call me old school or whatever, but I just don't believe football should be decided by the foot. If you leave a game up to a kicker then you get what you get, because there was a hundred other different plays that you could have made that wouldn't have left it up to that.

Agree...Dicker is normally very dependable...he's kicking above 90% on figgies, but has missed THREE PAT's, which is a bit surprising...imagine if Dobbins sits down at the 5 yl, Dicker tries for a FG, roughly (cough, cough) the same distance as a PAT basically, but misses, we go into overtime and lose? No bueno...take the TD...

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[21&500]

[Ghost of Quacksaw]

Agree...Dicker is normally very dependable...he's kicking above 90% on figgies, but has missed THREE PAT's, which is a bit surprising...imagine if Dobbins sits down at the 5 yl, Dicker tries for a FG, same distance as a PAT basically, but misses, we go into overtime and lose? No bueno...take the TD...

As long as we're imaging...

Imagine Dobbins scores the TD with time left on the clock, and the opponent scores when they get the ball back. The game goes to OT, and the Bolts lose. Don't try to tell me that's a "bueno". It's not. FGs and PATs aren't guarantees, and neither is keeping the lead when you give the ball back to your opponent with time on the clock.

The reason this debate is going on here is precisely beCAUSE there are "no guarantees", no matter which option you choose.

If my defense is utterly gassed, I don't want to put them out on the field again in regulation (after Dobbins' score), much less in Overtime. Under those circumstances, having Dicker attempt a FG as time expires is the most logical choice.

Again, it depends on circumstances. There are no "one size fits all" solutions.

[Boltjolt]

Agree...Dicker is normally very dependable...he's kicking above 90% on figgies, but has missed THREE PAT's, which is a bit surprising...imagine if Dobbins sits down at the 5 yl, Dicker tries for a FG, same distance as a PAT basically, but misses, we go into overtime and lose? No bueno...take the TD...

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At the 5 yardline that's a 22 yard FG.
A PAT is 32 yards.

[ChargingBolts]

As long as we're imaging...

Imagine Dobbins scores the TD with time left on the clock, and the opponent scores when they get the ball back. The game goes to OT, and the Bolts lose. Don't try to tell me that's a "bueno". It's not. FGs and PATs aren't guarantees, and neither is keeping the lead when you give the ball back to your opponent with time on the clock.

The reason this debate is going on here is precisely beCAUSE there are "no guarantees", no matter which option you choose.

If my defense is utterly gassed, I don't want to put them out on the field again in regulation (after Dobbins' score), much less in Overtime. Under those circumstances, having Dicker attempt a FG as time expires is the most logical choice.

Again, it depends on circumstances. There are no "one size fits all" solutions.

I think Cincy would of gone for 2, then 50/50 we win or lose

[Topcat]

At the 5 yardline that's a 22 yard FG.
A PAT is 32 yards.

Oh my...

[floydefisher]

As long as we're imaging...

Imagine Dobbins scores the TD with time left on the clock, and the opponent scores when they get the ball back. The game goes to OT, and the Bolts lose. Don't try to tell me that's a "bueno". It's not. FGs and PATs aren't guarantees, and neither is keeping the lead when you give the ball back to your opponent with time on the clock.

The reason this debate is going on here is precisely beCAUSE there are "no guarantees", no matter which option you choose.

If my defense is utterly gassed, I don't want to put them out on the field again in regulation (after Dobbins' score), much less in Overtime. Under those circumstances, having Dicker attempt a FG as time expires is the most logical choice.

Again, it depends on circumstances. There are no "one size fits all" solutions.

Let's look at analytics a minute and see if we can agree on something.

All things being equal, would you rather:

1. Force Joe Burrow to drive 40 yards into field goal range to tie the game.

2. Force Joe Burrow to drive 80 yards to score a TD to tie the game.

Which do you think has a higher chance of success?

[Ghost of Quacksaw]

Let's look at analytics a minute and see if we can agree on something.

All things being equal, would you rather:

1. Force Joe Burrow to drive 40 yards into field goal range to tie the game.

2. Force Joe Burrow to drive 80 yards to score a TD to tie the game.

Which do you think has a higher chance of success?

Is my defense utterly gassed? Or still playing strong? I need to know before I make the decision.

Because if my defense is gassed, my decision is to kick the FGA as time expires, because the odds are better than 90% that Dicker makes a kick of less than 30yards.

[Ghost of Quacksaw]

Agree...Dicker is normally very dependable...he's kicking above 90% on figgies, but has missed THREE PAT's, which is a bit surprising...imagine if Dobbins sits down at the 5 yl, Dicker tries for a FG, same distance as a PAT basically, but misses, we go into overtime and lose? No bueno...take the TD...

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There's a stat you don't see very often-- a kicker who's missed more XP attempts than he has FGs.

[dmac_bolt]

At the 5 yardline that's a 22 yard FG.
A PAT is 32 yards.

Thanks for reminding the kids here that in modern fooball, a PAT is really a mid-range FG