Bengals at Chargers Game Day Thread (Week 11) | Post Game Discussion

[Topcat]

There's a stat you don't see very often-- a kicker who's missed more XP attempts than he has FGs.

Weird, isn't it? I still like Dicker though...high % even over 50 yds...huge upgrade over some of the other guys we've had over the years...

[Ghost of Quacksaw]

Weird, isn't it? I still like Dicker though...high % even over 50 yds...huge upgrade over some of the other guys we've had over the years...

Plus-- most importantly-- he appears to have gotten past whatever hiccup was causing him to hook kicks to the left.

There is no PK I'd rather have than this guy. I am sold on him, totally. He's even better than John Carney, who-- like Dicker-- came to the Bolts after a string of inadequate kickers, so we're struck by the huge contrast.

It is just such a relief to *not* sweat placekicks anymore, in the way that Bolt fans have become accustomed to.

Dicker also recently signed an extension that keeps him with the Bolts for the foreseeable future, at a reasonable price.

To me, Cameron Dicker is kind of like the "Justin Herbert of Placekickers". He's THAT good among NFL PKers.

[jubei]

The Chargers have lived and died by The Foot. SO many games the Bolts have lost on late FGs. If you can die by the foot? it's okay to live by the foot, too.

please dont bring back the memories of "are-you-kidding-me" kaeding? one of the most accurate reg season kickers to become one of the biggest chokers in the POs.

[Ghost of Quacksaw]

please dont bring back the memories of "are-you-kidding-me" kaeding? one of the most accurate reg season kickers to become one of the biggest chokers in the POs.

Actually, I was thinking about all the times that a FOOT on the opponent's team has sent the Chargers to defeat.

We've died by that sword a thousand times (or so). It's okay if the Bolts use a FOOT to step on the opponent's throat, too.

[Icebolt]

As long as we're imaging...

Imagine Dobbins scores the TD with time left on the clock, and the opponent scores when they get the ball back. The game goes to OT, and the Bolts lose. Don't try to tell me that's a "bueno". It's not. FGs and PATs aren't guarantees, and neither is keeping the lead when you give the ball back to your opponent with time on the clock.

The reason this debate is going on here is precisely beCAUSE there are "no guarantees", no matter which option you choose.

If my defense is utterly gassed, I don't want to put them out on the field again in regulation (after Dobbins' score), much less in Overtime. Under those circumstances, having Dicker attempt a FG as time expires is the most logical choice.

Again, it depends on circumstances. There are no "one size fits all" solutions.

Sorry, but your so wrong!! There were 18 secs left!! 99% change of the other team NOT scoring a TD.

[Ghost of Quacksaw]

Sorry, but your so wrong!! There were 18 secs left!! 99% chance of the other team NOT scoring a TD.

Unless it's a game involving the Chargers!!! Then it's an 80% chance they WILL score!

[Boltnut]

Sorry, but your so wrong!! There were 18 secs left!! 99% change of the other team NOT scoring a TD.

There was a lot of hand-wringing during the off-season about an offense that was going to have a hard time driving down the field in the last minutes to win a game. Now that it has happened... the same people don't want to recognize the achievement.

[dmac_bolt]

Unless it's a game involving the Chargers!!! Then it's an 80% chance they WILL score!

You’re wrong and being emotional. There was a 0% chance as it turned out. The need was score a TD, not just a FG.

Meanwhile, Dicker is kicking at ~93%?

[Riverwalk]

You’re wrong and being emotional. There was a 0% chance as it turned out. The need was score a TD, not just a FG.

Meanwhile, Dicker is kicking at ~93%?

No, a field goal would have won the game with 0% of a Bengal comeback because the concept is Dobbins stops inside the 5 yard line and they run the clock down to zero before kicking the FG.

The only risk is a missed field goal which is legitimate considering Dickers missed PAT’s.

I would have been fine with either way.

[dmac_bolt]

No, a field goal would have won the game with 0% of a Bengal comeback because the concept is Dobbins stops inside the 5 yard line and they run the clock down to zero before kicking the FG.

The only risk is a missed field goal which is legitimate considering Dickers missed PAT’s.

I would have been fine with either way.

I am fine not getting cute with under 20 seconds left, and JK taking the TD staring him in the face. 100% fine. Every time. That gives them 3 plays max, with a KO out the end zone to start at their 30, I’ll take the odds to not give up 70 yards and TD in 3 plays 100 out of 100 times.

Everyone understands the “concept” here. Just an fyi. As you note - key is that a FG is not a 100% certainty. I would have felt good if he went down at the 1 too. Take one play and TO to center it.

This is just not the great chargers strategy debate we should be having this season imo. Jmo,. Wgaf.

[Ghost of Quacksaw]

You’re wrong and being emotional. There was a 0% chance as it turned out. The need was score a TD, not just a FG.

Meanwhile, Dicker is kicking at ~93%?

It's called PTSD.

That it didn't end up happening doesn't mean that there was a 0% chance that it *would*. There was a risk that it would, EXACTLY like you are saying there would be, going for the FG. If Dicker makes the FG in that situation, does that mean there was never a chance he would miss? That's the implication of your argument here.

So if I'm being 'emotional'? Let's just say you've turned it into a competition. And you're winning! In fact, I concede!

[BayAreaBoltz]

There was a lot of hand-wringing during the off-season about an offense that was going to have a hard time driving down the field in the last minutes to win a game. Now that it has happened... the same people don't want to recognize the achievement.

It happened. Now let's see if it can be replicated.